I am pretty sure any animated film will have these sorts of mistakes or cheats. It can be fun to point out but I don't like it when too much of a big deal is made out of it.
Absolutely. I actually love when films, animated or otherwise, have mistakes or cheats because they're fun to look for (it was a pastime of my sister and I during a summer to basically frame by frame Disney movies. More for squash and stretch frames though haha. Little Mermaid has some HILARIOUS frames in it).
Does anyone here follow Pendleton Ward on Twitter? Apparently he had some things to say about Frozen but deleted the Tweets. I'd really like to know his thoughts on it. All that's left is this:
Does anyone here follow Pendleton Ward on Twitter? Apparently he had some things to say about Frozen but deleted the Tweets. I'd really like to know his thoughts on it. All that's left is this:
Apparently, a lot more than one character had a cameo in Frozen. Some pretty cool stuff and a great interview with the others, especially Kristen Bell at the bottom.
Sigh, only the Dutch spoken version is available in the city I live (Tilburg) and the city I work in (Breda). Normally they would show the original as well, I wonder what went wrong here?
Does anyone here follow Pendleton Ward on Twitter? Apparently he had some things to say about Frozen but deleted the Tweets. I'd really like to know his thoughts on it. All that's left is this:
He just said it wasn't for him. I know he wasn't feeling the music but I don't know if he tweeted that part too. People started jumping on him so he deleted it. :\
Sigh, only the Dutch spoken version is available in the city I live (Tilburg) and the city I work in (Breda). Normally they would show the original as well, I wonder what went wrong here?
Shit, I have the same problem here in Nijmegen. I'm half considering taking a trip to Eindhoven and watching it there, and watching Gravity (which I somehow haven't seen yet, but need to see in the cinema and is no longer available in Nijmegen) while I'm at it.
Now I just have to convince someone to go with me.. maybe I can sneak Tangled into a movie night with my friends or something.
I'm glad that disney is starting to get back on track with their feature films.
Between Tangled, Wreck it Ralph, and what I am hearing of frozen. Things should just start getting better and better.
I just got back from watching it. Oh god its so so so good. I loved it to death. Possibly more than even Tangled. The music and songs were excellent. Visually its just a treat. Its a movie with a lot of heart. I might watch it again. Definitely gonna get the bluray.
I liked this one more than I did Tangled and I liked Tangled fine. This one was more hit than miss when it came to the humour. A lot of Tangled's jokes fell flat for me.
Who knew that the goofy snowman would give us the most laughs, he was certainly the element I was least looking forward to.
The music was also more memorable than Tangled. It's probably been said but this film feels like they looked at Tangled and looked at Wicked and just took what worked in both.
Let it go is a not so subtle reworking on Defying Gravity with the same kind of composition and melody and was made with Idina Menzel in mind.
Hell even the transitions from dialogue to songs has the broadway feel of Wicked. Usual Disney formula has a cut or a beat and a song will begin slightly separating it from the film reality. Here the transitions flow mid sentence, while I'm not too much of a fan of this style I think it does work in a Disney film.
Actually ended up seeing it twice. Once with my sisters and then again by myself just to have another look at it. I liked Tangled quite a bit though I felt it had some weaknesses that kept it from being a true classic.
This overall I felt was stronger, but still with some problems. Can't say I agree with a couple of the reviews I remember hearing that it was as good as Beauty and the Beast, but it's certainly a return to form for Disney that I hope continues as they've been building back up. I'm honestly more excited for their upcoming projects than I am Pixar.
I quite liked the whole sister aspect to it all and that opening number with Anna "Do you want to build a snowman?" managed to capture her character's loneliness as well as the general optimism she had throughout the whole movie. It reflected off Elsa quite well I thought, though I imagine that may have been intentional.
"Let It Go" was a fantastic piece (vastly prefer the version from the movie as opposed to the other). It was nice how despite the general relief in that song, later scenes really did portray that her sole reason aside from just being herself that she didn't want to hurt anyone.
I was so ready to hate Olaf, but aside from a few moments where he bugged me he was largely quite funny. The impalement joke was probably my favorite from him. His song was also annoying, but there was something that kept me from hating it.
I quite liked Cristoff as well. I kind of wish he'd had another song myself, but it likely would have been out of place. The whole bit with Sven was actually quite hilarious and I would have liked to see it more.
The weaknesses I think mainly come up in the final part of the film where it seemed like the writing could have used some tightening, though it does lead to a really great moment so I don't feel too mad about it.
I really liked the spin on the act of true love. Of course everyone immediately thinks about the kiss because that's always what it is in the stories, but having it be an act of self sacrifice was a very nice touch. I loved the kind of creepy touch with Anna's last breath in the ice form as well.
I'm kind of mixed about the twist with Hans. It's funny but one of my sisters called it when I first described the basic plot before we saw it, but kept leaning over to tell me she must of been wrong because of what a stand up guy he seemed to be so the twist came as quite the surprise.
On one hand, it really isn't needed except as a catalyst for everyone to be on the lake and have Anna sacrifice herself to save Elsa. The fact that it seems to come out of nowhere with only a couple hints doesn't help. On the other hand, I actually found I liked the idea quite a bit since it made Hans pretty creepy as his whole "nice guy" act was just a way of stringing Anna along to get what he wanted.
All his actions made him look quite good to the citizens and other visiting dignitaries as well. I even think that his general kindness to Elsa before the reveal may have been a way of getting in her good graces in the event Anna did die which did seem the case then. He did say Elsa would have been the better choice initially.
Hell, he probably wouldn't have been a bad King either unless he suddenly got brutal.
What bugs me is that he suddenly becomes a cliched villain after the reveal. The monologue was kind of irritating, but honestly necessary or else the audience would have been immensely confused. But did they really have to do the "You'll never get away with this" Line?
The trolls are also somewhat unneeded, though their song has grown on me. They're pretty much there simply to have the elder come and explain magic stuff. I don't know what more they could have done with them but I kind of wished for something more.
Overall though, I thought it was a great flick and greatly reminded me of that period of Disney Animation that began with The Little Mermaid.
I also like that they continue to have the little shorts before the movie and the Mickey Mouse one was great. Paperman remains my favorite recent one though.
Looking at their upcoming films, they have some interesting ones in the works. I'm skeptical on Zootopia and Big Hero 6, though willing to give it a chance. Also feels weird having an adaptation of Jack and the Beanstalk since we just had a live action version this year (which I quite liked despite its flaws).
The Moana project sounds very interesting and I can't wait to see more of it myself.
Took my almost 4 year old to this. It was her first time at the theater. She loved the music. And the movie. I'm kinda torn. Thought it was really good. But felt tangled had a slight sarcastic edge that played better to adults.
I've seen ALL the princess movies recently due to having a 3 year old obsessed with these Disney movies. And id say it felt less romantic then a lot of other Disney films. Which makes sense as the story is more about sisters then falling in love.
I thought the opening felt far too epic for the actual story. Let it go had an amazing sequence but lyrically I felt it was a bit lacking.
The trolls were kinda of a throw in, like the Ewoks but even less important.
I liked it. I just don't know if is call it a "classic".
I took my 7 year old cousin to see it earlier, she enjoyed it. I also enjoyed it, I didn't see *get* the soundtrack though ('fixer-upper' being the exception).
The 3d effects in some scenes were exceptional.
The sisterly "act of true love" was a nice twist on the normal cliches.
I think this is the first ever movie that I've wanted to rewatch as an adult. I've never wanted to rewatch a movie, because it'd be the same experience, but lessened the second time. Disney movies like Frozen are different because of their songs; music is infinitely replayable. I don't think my girlfriend even liked this as much as me. Halp.
I just got back from watching it. Oh god its so so so good. I loved it to death. Possibly more than even Tangled. The music and songs were excellent. Visually its just a treat. Its a movie with a lot of heart. I might watch it again. Definitely gonna get the bluray.
Apparently, a lot more than one character had a cameo in Frozen. Some pretty cool stuff and a great interview with the others, especially Kristen Bell at the bottom.
Haha, well, they're a very quick easter egg, so they're very easy to miss!
Plus, we treated them like a spoiler for the first few weeks of the film, but word of them has leaked out pretty much everywhere, so It's not that big an issue now.
Haha, well, they're a very quick easter egg, so they're very easy to miss!
Plus, we treated them like a spoiler for the first few weeks of the film, but word of them has leaked out pretty much everywhere, so It's not that big an issue now.
I think there's plenty more to do with the story, if they use a different protagonist. Or they could do a prequel of sorts, explaining the origins of the golden flower.
Knowing Disney they'll probably try a sequel to one or both of the last couple movies.
Only very rarely have the sequels been decent and or entertaining. Lion King 1/2, Aladdin sequels and Cinderella 3 are the only exceptions I can think of.
Alright, just finished the movie. Short version for those who haven't seen it: GO SEE IT! It was really good. My favorite animated film since Wall•E (well I liked Wreck-it-Ralph and Tangled more than others but I like this much more)
Now for spoilers:
•First and foremost, almost completely different than what I was expecting, which is great. Glad my expectations were exceeded
•For some reason I was kinda tearing up before Elsa sang Let it Go. The first few verses of it and the castle building sold me
•Olaf's song was a bit excessive but he was otherwise quite funny and 'welcoming' in a good way
•I saw the Prince's twist from a mile away, but I'm gonna have to agree with one review that said it didn't really have a strong, convincing villain. It definitely was a secondary focus though, which is good because I don't think it needed one
•It was kinda interesting how different parts of fairy tale stories were being mixed in towards the end, but none of them took over.
•The duke was lulzy
•The beginning scenes and songs were really well done (the intro especially).
•Sven is fun but he's no Maximus
•The trolls were unexpected and their song's a little bit too silly lol.
•The sisters are adorable (*stands in waifu line*)
•I said gaddamn is it a beautiful film
Again, it was very enjoyable, and I can see myself rewatching it for years to come.
Kinda agree with most of this. I actually watched Beauty and the Beast yesterday though. While I can't deny that it is a classic, I enjoyed Frozen a bit more.
One thing I forgot to mention was that I really liked how the main characters were animated. Some of the extras were a bit wooden, but the main characters
(especially the sisters' facial expressions during the ball)
and even moreso with Elsa's body language was incredibly well done. It's probably the thing I enjoyed most.
I think there's plenty more to do with the story, if they use a different protagonist. Or they could do a prequel of sorts, explaining the origins of the golden flower.
Ideally, a sequel should only exist if there are still loose ends to be wrapped up in the story, this is not the case for Tangled. Neither does the setting really merit further exploration, beautiful as it is, Tangled is basically set in generic fantasyland. The one special element is Rapunzel's magical hair, which has been lost at the end of the film.
For movies such as The Incredibles, Cars, Wreck-it-Ralph, Rise of the Guardians etc, you could argue that the premise is unique enough that it would be worth doing a sequel to explore the world further, I don't see how what more can be done with the world of Tangled. The lore of the film serves the story well enough but is not nearly interesting enough to deserve further stories based on it.
None of this is a knock on Tangled's quality, just why I don't feel it especially doesn't need a follow-up.
Knowing Disney they'll probably try a sequel to one or both of the last couple movies.
Only very rarely have the sequels been decent and or entertaining. Lion King 1/2, Aladdin sequels and Cinderella 3 are the only exceptions I can think of.
Those sequels were direct to video (for the most part) and were not made by WDAS, instead being produced by a lower division, DisneyToons. They were never intended to match the quality of the originals, just a means to make a quick buck.
I'm sure a proper sequel made by WDAS would be better than those, though I still wouldn't like that at all.
I am afraid that it may be a matter of time before WDAS does start producing sequels though. Lasseter seems to have no problem allowing sequels at Pixar, no real reason why he would want to avoid it at WDAS. It may just be the lack of financial success of their films over the last decade that has spared them so far, and this trend seems to be reversing.
Those sequels were direct to video (for the most part) and were not made by WDAS, instead being produced by a lower division, DisneyToons. They were never intended to match the quality of the originals, just a means to make a quick buck.
I'm sure a proper sequel made by WDAS would be better than those, though I still wouldn't like that at all.
I am afraid that it may be a matter of time before WDAS does start producing sequels though. Lasseter seems to have no problem allowing sequels at Pixar, no real reason why he would want to avoid it at WDAS. It may just be the lack of financial success of their films over the last decade that has spared them so far, and this trend seems to be reversing.
Yep, I know and completely agree. Will be interesting if we hear anything about WDAS working on any such project. I do really like the look of their upcoming schedule though!
Haha, well, they're a very quick easter egg, so they're very easy to miss!
Plus, we treated them like a spoiler for the first few weeks of the film, but word of them has leaked out pretty much everywhere, so It's not that big an issue now.
Isn't it awesome though!? DD
Wonderful! Have fun! Try to see it in either 2D, or 3D whichever you didn't see it in last time.
In my brain, the Tangled cameo is much more than just a cameo. It's Flynn and Rapunzel visiting a new kingdom, placing their stories within the same world and continuity. Both movies also feature some kind of inexplicable magical element too. Then in two-three years we're getting Disney's version of a Jack and the Beanstalk, which could very well be set in the same time period. It'd be really cool if Disney started building this world where all these different fairy tales took place. Not like I want them to do a Shrek or have a crossover I just think it could be a neat extra layer.
In my brain, the Tangled cameo is much more than just a cameo. It's Flynn and Rapunzel visiting a new kingdom, placing their stories within the same world and continuity. Both movies also feature some kind of inexplicable magical element too. Then in two-three years we're getting Disney's version of a Jack and the Beanstalk, which could very well be set in the same time period. It'd be really cool if Disney started building this world where all these different fairy tales took place. Not like I want them to do a Shrek or have a crossover I just think it could be a neat extra layer.
Which makes the fact the Tangled director not knowing about their inclusion all the more amazing. I mean, sure, it's Disney's property, not his. I wonder if it was completely the director's choices, or if the order came down from Disney.
Either way, I'm glad it happened. Will be nice to see like you said if the future movies continue the trend.
I think this cut song and the apparent cut "prophecy" storyline would've made the powers reveal scene a bit more effective as it would've symbolized the beginning of the end for the kingdom. but the song foreshadows the end of the movie heavily and it was a pretty great scene regardless, so whatever. would've been interesting is all.
I know it's been hashed out, but I'll tackle this. Personally I found Let It Go to be one of the interesting Disney songs from a musical perspective for all the reasons you docked it for. Unlike many Disney songs that serve simply to establish characters, Let It Go is one of the few that tells a story. The vast majority simply spell out a character trait (Simba's impatience to be a king while also understanding what authority actually represents, Ariel desiring to be part of the human world, Belle and the Beast recognizing their love for each other, the Genie showing off his power, etc.). The characters finish the song where they started. In contrast, Elsa is NOT the same person at the end of the song as she is at the beginning, a transformation mirrored in the onscreen visual change in her character as well as Idina Menzel's fantastic vocal performance (early soft and hesitating, by the end singing at full blast). Even the lyrics start out with worrying about others and ends with Elsa strictly talking about herself. There are also more melodic strains than typically seen, with a verse, bridge, and chorus plus an extended interlude (Disney typically has a strict verse chorus verse chorus repeat chorus structure, sometimes including either an interlude or denouement).
Structurally the entire song works towards that transformation as well with a number of tricks rarely seen in Disney's music. The verses are in a minor key with the bridge and chorus in the related major. There's an extended interlude that strongly drives to the last refrain. The instrumentation starts out quite minimal and builds along with Elsa's growing confidence. The entire song from start to finish has a clear direction and goal, hitting it on the final "Here I stand in the light of day, let the storm rage on!" None of these are unique within Disney's library, but they're not at all common techniques and I can't think of another off the top of my head that uses them all and uses them to directly complement the visual animation on screen and the character development. Even the For the First Time In Forever that you praise so much has none of this other than the layering of Anna and Elsa's parts towards the end (and Elsa's lines are a direct call-ahead to the bride section of Let It Go). There's no character development over the story and structurally it's a simple verse chorus.
So sorry, from an objective, musical standpoint I'm going to 100% disagree with you. Sure the Lopez/Lopez combination is not, on a whole as good as Disney's all-stars. I could easily build a strong list of 10 songs from any or their other writing teams that beat the Lopez/Lopez top 10. But Let It Go, specifically, is a home run that I would put on the level of some of Disney's best. I'm not going to say it's the best since [insert sacred cow here]; ranking at that level involves tremendous splitting hairs and subjectivity. But in terms of objective musical merit? It's easily on the level of anything since Little Mermaid.
As for the movie, I liked it a lot, considerably more than Tangled, which I already think highly of. Tangled's biggest problem, to me, is that it takes a good third or half the movie before it really decides what it wants to be, resulting in some considerable tonal dissonance. Goethel is one of Disney's finest villains, but she's also played chillingly straight. Her approach to Rapunzel is a case study in textbook emotional abuse, with her every action serving to increase Rapunzel's dependence on and subservience towards her. It's not only dark but it's also incredibly realistic. But then you toss in Flynn's characterization in the first half which is not only selfish and self-centered (made worse because it's the same central flaw as Goethel), but it approaches the point of irredeemable. Before the flood he hasn't done a single thing to make you want to like him at all nor has he given any hint that it's there, making his eventual U-turn both sudden and not really in character. He's supposed to be a lovable rogue, but just comes across as a caricatured jerk that feels completely out of place sharing screen time in a movie with someone as realistically monstrous as Goethel. That dissonance peaks in the Snuggly Duckling when, in the opening lines of I've Got a Dream, the guy literally flat-out confesses to murder, complete with taped out body with an ax buried in its head. But it's ok because he plays piano, wants to be loved, and is nice to Rapunzel. It just doesn't fit together. But then you have the aqueduct sequence and the movie doesn't put a foot wrong afterwards. Suddenly it finds its tone, with Rapunzel's growing independence and the [somehow] redeemed Eugene providing the perfect counterweight to Goethel's complete selfishness. Every moment plays out perfectly with the lantern scene culminating as arguably the finest piece of animation ever put to film, hand-drawn or CGI. Absolutely stunning. But I still can't completely overlook the fact that it takes nearly half its running time before it decides what kind of movie it wants to be; the tone it wants to set.
Frozen, on the other hand, is far more assured. It's a much more confident film, having its central message and tone locked in from frame one and sticking to that all the way through. The emphasis on family was also a welcome change from the usual Disney approach (isolated orphans looking for help from outside). Olaf managed to be extremely funny, a surprisingly developed character, and a poignant touch of backstory fleshing out Elsa as well. My biggest gripes are with pacing and the rest of the songs. Do You Want to Build a Snowman isn't much musically, but it's extremely effective at serving its purpose. Same with In Summer. For the First Time In Forever is very well-crafted generic Disney "I Want" song. It's a good song, but it could have easily come from any number of Disney movies dating back to Little Mermaid with no melodic changes and only minor shifts in the lyrics. And Fixer-Upper is a miss on all levels, both musically and in terms of the scene in isolation as well as its place in the movie it occupies. Frozen Heart is the only other real standout. And the middle third felt rushed and could have used a bit more room to breathe. Other gripes are spoilers.
First, the entire movie could have been averted had the parents approached Elsa's powers in any way other than "pretend they're not there and be completely terrified of them." Even the slightest bit of effort at mastery would have averted the meltdown seen. And their death was such a transparent way to make Elsa the queen young as to be laughable. And Hans' turning bad was a mistake. The movie didn't need a bad guy. The distance and emotional conflict between Elsa and Anna was plenty to drive the entire movie without forcing in a love triangle and ultimately meaningless double cross. About the only good that came from it was having Anna a, make her sign of true love be related to her sister instead of romantic love in a nice [but predictable] subversion and b, have it be something she did herself instead of having done to her. Otherwise you could have cut Hans from the movie and almost nothing would change. The only meaningful conflict he serves as the driver of is the initial rushed marriage proposal, which didn't require him as the bad guy anyway.
Otherwise it was a knock-out. Hans had all the character depth of cardboard but everyone else was nicely fleshed out. Even Anna is more than the polyanna she first appears to be. The animation is outstanding throughout with numerous points of jaw-dropping beauty. The humor is most on-target without that very many cringe-inducing misses. I'm not sure it quite hits the level of Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, or Little Mermaid, but it comes close, and it's a solid step up from Tangled which was already an excellent effort in its own right.
After listening to it pretty much all day until I fell asleep again, I would have to agree. One of my favorite Disney songs in recent memory alongside I See the Light its probably the most memorable track. I think the hangup with it is the modern style. It doesnt have that "classic feel" like the 90s songs do. Its a different kind of song altogether. Still full of bombastic pomp but sung in a much more confident diva'ish manner. I think it stands up to the older songs, but in the context of todays world, not the 90s. Thats where people are having a problem I think.
Anyway Im about to head to my friends place cause he wants to see the movie. The cool part is he knows nothing. No music, no details, only the basic story and the name. He has no idea a scene like Let It Go is in the movie. Boy he's in for a fun surprise.
"Mother Knows Best" was the highlight and that song owes tons to Donna Murphy's brilliance; but almost every song in Frozen destroys the majority of Tangled's.
So I watched this film yesterday, what an absolute visual and auditory feast with a spectacular disney plot and brilliant characters that I managed to become emotionally invested in. Let it out... what a powerful moment.
Weakest part for me had to be Olaf, don't get me wrong I loved the little guy but I just didn't connect with a lot of his humour although that one sequence with him that doesn't even need to be described had me laughing out loud in the cinema.
Was pleasantly surprised by this film, even topped tangled imo.
Went 3D and loved it! I went with my GF and we were both sat right at the front of the cinema. The singing at the start got a little much, but then it got better and better, I thought the story was fun enough and there were some touching moments. The animation was sooooo good with the environment, I'm into all that sort of stuff so I was just mesmerized by the snow and stuff like the ice castle building, it looked fantastic.
Oh and we cried laughing at one point, I think it was with Olaf doing some goofy stuff and I just couldn't stop laughing. It was awkwardly funny because everyone else had chuckled and moved on :L
At the end as we left I realized everyone else in the cinema was either an adult or their child, ahh well!
I hope everyone that's already seen the movie is staying for the scene that plays after the credits end. It’s a pretty cute little scene. If you missed it its:
Went 3D and loved it! I went with my GF and we were both sat right at the front of the cinema. The singing at the start got a little much, but then it got better and better, I thought the story was fun enough and there were some touching moments. The animation was sooooo good with the environment, I'm into all that sort of stuff so I was just mesmerized by the snow and stuff like the ice castle building, it looked fantastic.
Oh and we cried laughing at one point, I think it was with Olaf doing some goofy stuff and I just couldn't stop laughing. It was awkwardly funny because everyone else had chuckled and moved on :L
At the end as we left I realized everyone else in the cinema was either an adult or their child, ahh well!
