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[BlackTron]

When my wee lad and girl where a young age I tried to get both of them into Starwars, from the cartoons to playing out the characters to watching the prequels and it was the boy who loved it, the wee girl went meh and has absolutely zero interest in it, anecdotally I know no girl into Starwars, all her mates think it's stupid and all the wee lads mates love it... How the fuck Disney can't get this is beyond me, yes there are loads of female fans but they are absolutely dwarfed by us Y chromo's and when you produce shite aimed at the smaller demographic don't be fucking surprised when the boys and their dads don't watch it

Their technique for getting girls was just making trashy movies with checklists of things modern women are "supposed" to be into, like being invincible and having colorful hair, and counting on men not to leave just because they're too stupid to think critically if it says "Star Wars" (which many stans are, but not nearly enough to pay the bills).

The best Star Wars EVER was with women was Mandalorian. Just a beat up vulnerable dude against the universe trying to get a kid to safety. One million times better than Rey.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Disney should have adapted The Thrawn Trilogy from the very beginning and everyone would be happy (Even me, Huge fan of Star Wars EU)

But at the same time knowing how Disney is they would most likely push a certain message down my throat

 

[Trilobit]

When my wee lad and girl where a young age I tried to get both of them into Starwars, from the cartoons to playing out the characters to watching the prequels and it was the boy who loved it, the wee girl went meh and has absolutely zero interest in it, anecdotally I know no girl into Starwars, all her mates think it's stupid and all the wee lads mates love it... How the fuck Disney can't get this is beyond me, yes there are loads of female fans but they are absolutely dwarfed by us Y chromo's and when you produce shite aimed at the smaller demographic don't be fucking surprised when the boys and their dads don't watch it

I can't remember meeting a single female who was a big fan of Star Wars just like I have never met any guy who was a big fan of Jane Austen. Lord of the Rings though is a completely different story. That hooks both genders.

 

[PuppetMaster]

Ice Age 6?!!!

 

[jason10mm]

I can't remember meeting a single female who was a big fan of Star Wars just like I have never met any guy who was a big fan of Jane Austen. Lord of the Rings though is a completely different story. That hooks both genders.

No, THESE guys hook both genders...

I think about 95% of the female fandom of LOTR was just these two.

Same with the MCU and Tony, Steve, Thor, etc. The ladies responded to male flesh and the love story woven into the films, tough macho guys curbed by the love of a single woman. This is why more femininst takes on male genres falls flat for everyone. Women don't give a shit about shooting people, "kicking ass", or any of that crap.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I can't remember meeting a single female who was a big fan of Star Wars just like I have never met any guy who was a big fan of Jane Austen. Lord of the Rings though is a completely different story. That hooks both genders.

It's not common but there are a few women who like Star Wars. I had a female friend who liked both Star Wars and Star Trek. The lead singer of The Birthday Massacre is a big Star Wars fan.

But mostly it's still boys I don't know why they're trying so hard to completely shift it over and make it feminine.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

WTF is this??? LMAO!

 

[IDKFA]

I can't remember meeting a single female who was a big fan of Star Wars just like I have never met any guy who was a big fan of Jane Austen. Lord of the Rings though is a completely different story. That hooks both genders.

I'm a guy who enjoys Jane Austen.

Emma is probably one of my top fiction books of all time as wll, so you could also say I'm a fan.

 

[Heart_Attack]

Is there any hope for Star Wars and Lucasfilm to get rid of the feminists at the top?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I don't understand how you can fuck it up so badly. SW is not rocket science, this is not Vanilla Sky (which is a fucking awesome film btw), you get the bad guys doing bad PG-13 things, you get good guys protecting the weak and the innocent. In the middle you have pew pew in space with sounds and glowing sticks. THAT'S IT!

As opposed to ST, Star Wars never tried to be super scientifically accurate, it was good popcorn entertainment. If you don't have an idea you do a more gritty 'Casino Royale' - Rogue One worked fucking wonders.

Don't even get me started they had Thrawn Trilogy on a silver platter and decided to fuck it, because our liberal arts writers can come with a better story. Guess what, they can't!

 

[BlackTron]

Don't even get me started they had Thrawn Trilogy on a silver platter and decided to fuck it, because our liberal arts writers can come with a better story. Guess what, they can't!

Uh, yes they can. It's viewers' fault for not being able to appreciate their depth and nuance (and bravery).

It's understandable. Most normal people can't, without help from a source like the New York Times. And if you're not smart enough to take that first step, well not everyone gets to understand fine art, and you can't force them. It is what it is.

Spoiler

Hold on, actually forcing them is a great idea. This is to save culture itself.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Is there any hope for Star Wars and Lucasfilm to get rid of the feminists at the top?

Just introduce a new female character, call her Mara Jade with no relation to the character in the books, then harvest the shitstorm.

Spoiler

Please don't do that

 

[Trilobit]

I'm a guy who enjoys Jane Austen.

Emma is probably one of my top fiction books of all time as wll, so you could also say I'm a fan.

Yeah, I mean she's a terrific author no doubt. It's mostly that when someone around me has wanted to watch Pride and Prejudice it wasn't exactly my male friends.

Now I can't help picturing you dressed like this on the next AustenCon:

 

[Solarstrike]

 

[IDKFA]

Yeah, I mean she's a terrific author no doubt. It's mostly that when someone around me has wanted to watch Pride and Prejudice it wasn't exactly my male friends.

Now I can't help picturing you dressed like this on the next AustenCon:

I must admit, Mr Knightley is a role model of mine.

Stands up to Emma and tells her when she's being a dickhead. Ends up marrying her and as as a true gentleman, moves into the Woodhouse residence for the benefit of Mr Woodhouse. He's also the least ostentatious high class character in any Austen novel and sticks up for those lower on the social ladder.

What a fucking alpha male.

I also wish more men would dress like that. Look at it. That's fucking class right there.

I've also not been to an Austen con, but admit that my wife and I are regulars at the Jane Austen museum and tea rooms in Bath.

 

[AJUMP23]

Disney should have adapted The Thrawn Trilogy from the very beginning and everyone would be happy (Even me, Huge fan of Star Wars EU)

But at the same time knowing how Disney is they would most likely push a certain message down my throat

I don't know. I like that trilogy, but it still has dumb emperor cloning and isn't perfect. You also have to deal with the adaptation and they would hire terrible people to do it. Even Kasdan wrote bad SW films. While I think it would have been fun to do that trilogy, I don't think it would have been good.

Justice for Mara Jade. And at least Luke wasn't a loser in the thrawn books.

 

[jason10mm]

I must admit, Mr Knightley is a role model of mine.

Stands up to Emma and tells her when she's being a dickhead. Ends up marrying her and as as a true gentleman, moves into the Woodhouse residence for the benefit of Mr Woodhouse. He's also the least ostentatious high class character in any Austen novel and sticks up for those lower on the social ladder.

What a fucking alpha male.

I also wish more men would dress like that. Look at it. That's fucking class right there.

I've also not been to an Austen con, but admit that my wife and I are regulars at the Jane Austen museum and tea rooms in Bath.

Yeah, he models some nice male behavior.

But would you want an espionage subplot, a few gun battles, a conversation between the male characters that happens to take place in a brothel, or long discussions about battle tactics and the roman empire as an appeal to men? Or just acknowledge that some stuff has cross over appeal and be glad that is the case without chasing an illusionary audience?

Imagine a "Murder HE Wrote" show. Silly, isn't it? Either riff farther off the concept like Castle or stick to the thing the audience wants.

 

[Krathoon]

I want some more Ashoka. Is that dead now?

They can totally continue The Mandalorian and make a movie.

 

[BlackTron]

Just introduce a new female character, call her Mara Jade with no relation to the character in the books, then harvest the shitstorm.

Spoiler

Please don't do that

Does it even matter any more?

 

[Krathoon]

I am kind of amazed how all these professionals don't quite know how to write Star Wars.

They can't quite capture the magic of the old movies.

 

[Krathoon]

Jon Favreau seems to be the only one that really "gets" Star Wars.

 

[DetectiveBananas]

You would think at this point someone just goes to a meeting and throws a bunch of the SW books from the 90’s on the table and says “Why don’t we just try making a film of one of these (Scene For Scene)…and see what happens?!”

 

[IDKFA]

Yeah, he models some nice male behavior.

Yes he does. More men should read Emma just for this character.

But would you want an espionage subplot, a few gun battles, a conversation between the male characters that happens to take place in a brothel, or long discussions about battle tactics and the roman empire as an appeal to men? Or just acknowledge that some stuff has cross over appeal and be glad that is the case without chasing an illusionary audience?

100% agree. If Austen tried to shoehorn any of the above to appeal to as many people as possible then her books would have been an incoherent mess.

Imagine a "Murder HE Wrote" show. Silly, isn't it? Either riff farther off the concept like Castle or stick to the thing the audience wants.

Preach!

 

[NeoGiffer]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I'm a guy who enjoys Jane Austen.

Emma is probably one of my top fiction books of all time as wll, so you could also say I'm a fan.

My favorite Jane Austen novel is Pride and Prejudice and Zombies

 

[Krathoon]

I liked how Ashoka essentially adapted a cartoon into the live action Star Wars universe.

...and it uses a bad guy from the novels and the Tie FIghter video game.

 

[Kamina]

the power of maaaanyyyy

 

[jason10mm]

My favorite Jane Austen novel is Pride and Prejudice and Zombies

Well I'd be damned, that was a good hook to get more dudes reading chick lit books, good pull

 

[jason10mm]

I want some more Ashoka. Is that dead now?

They can totally continue The Mandalorian and make a movie.

I don't think so, Filoni of course is deeply wedded to Ashoka and is using her to spearpoint into his version of the Thrawn stuff, so I'm sure we will see more of her.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Well I'd be damned, that was a good hook to get more dudes reading chick lit books, good pull

It's also the only Jane Austen book I'll probably ever read so

 

[Solarstrike]

Yo mama has a ginger

Spoiler: pussy

 

[llien]

As opposed to ST, Star Wars never tried to be super scientifically accurate

It was fantasy disguised as sci-fi, what "super accurate" are you talking about, it's rampant nonsense.

And no, it's not "always" like this, e.g. Cameron's movies. But, he's a physicist.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

I don't know. I like that trilogy, but it still has dumb emperor cloning and isn't perfect. You also have to deal with the adaptation and they would hire terrible people to do it. Even Kasdan wrote bad SW films. While I think it would have been fun to do that trilogy, I don't think it would have been good.

Justice for Mara Jade. And at least Luke wasn't a loser in the thrawn books.

Yep

That's why I wouldn't want it to be made by Current Year Disney. If it was the Disney from 20 Years ago I would be fine with it

 

[AJUMP23]

Yep

That's why I wouldn't want it to be made by Current Year Disney. If it was the Disney from 20 Years ago I would be fine with it

90s Disney. 30 years.

 

[simpatico]

Needs a decade to blow the stink off. Anything sooner and the brand will fully transition into a pure lolcow in the American zeitgeist. It's dangerously close to it now. That kind of reputation isn't easily lost. I watched Force Awakens in theaters with a good amount of hype. Now, a product like Outlaws actually has to work harder for my attention. The Star Wars brand is something you have to overcome now. It doesn't help you. Any TV show you make might be better off as just a new SciFi IP. I'd probably at least watch your entire trailer that way.

 

[ADiTAR]

Why not take the Andor guy and put him in charge. Andor is amazing and is the only great thing to come out of SW since... Rogue One, which is also by the same person. When is season 2, it's the only TV series i'm excited about.

 

[jason10mm]

Why not take the Andor guy and put him in charge. Andor is amazing and is the only great thing to come out of SW since... Rogue One, which is also by the same person. When is season 2, it's the only TV series i'm excited about.

Yeah, but it is as low rated as acolyte. While I appreciate the value in an adult Star Wars that audience isn't that large. It's family entertainment, so stuff like Mando and the clone wars.

 

[ManaByte]

This, I also think Lucas should get involved for the start of a new Trilogy. He could work heavily on the first one and leave-off, after that. Wishful thinking, I know...

That's exactly what he did with the sequels. He spent two years working on his Episode VII. Hired Michael Arndt to write the script, went through extensive pre-production with the intention to make his Episode VII and then sell the company and let the new owner figure out how to end the trilogy. Then JJ Abrams came in, threw out everything Lucas did to remake A New Hope (except for the search for Luke plot point, which is why Arndt has story credit on TFA), and then Rian Johnson made Lucas' Episode VII and everyone hated it.

The December 2026 movie was Mangold's movie. Mando & Grogu is still out May 22 as it's done and in post-production now. Mangold is apparently filming his movie in the 2nd half of 2025 into early 2026 so it's likely releasing in 2027 for the 50th anniversary. Filoni's Thrawn movie is the year after that.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

That's exactly what he did with the sequels. He spent two years working on his Episode VII. Hired Michael Arndt to write the script, went through extensive pre-production with the intention to make his Episode VII and then sell the company and let the new owner figure out how to end the trilogy. Then JJ Abrams came in, threw out everything Lucas did to remake A New Hope (except for the search for Luke plot point, which is why Arndt has story credit on TFA), and then Rian Johnson made Lucas' Episode VII and everyone hated it.

The December 2026 movie was Mangold's movie. Mando & Grogu is still out May 22 as it's done and in post-production now. Mangold is apparently filming his movie in the 2nd half of 2025 into early 2026 so it's likely releasing in 2027 for the 50th anniversary. Filoni's Thrawn movie is the year after that.

I meant him writing and directing/producing the first one, after laying groundwork, then just dipping out entirely. Again, wishful thinking, although stranger stuff has been happening recently, I don't ever see it happening, unless they clone Lucas and somehow manipulate his memories,through his genes to take on this endeavor. Also, by "they" I mean, Disney. I fully expect them to secretly take custody of his body after purchasing it from his family estate.

 

[ManaByte]

I meant him writing and directing/producing the first one, after laying groundwork, then just dipping out entirely. Again, wishful thinking, although stranger stuff has been happening recently, I don't ever see it happening, unless they clone Lucas and somehow manipulate his memories,through his genes to take on this endeavor. Also, by "they" I mean, Disney. I fully expect them to secretly take custody of his body after purchasing it from his family estate.

He didn’t want to write again after the abuse he was given over the Prequels, that’s why he hired Michael Arndt to write the script for Episode VII before JJ Abrams came aboard and threw that away to remake ANH.

 

[lughnasadh123]

"You take it"
"no, you take it"
"no, YOU take!"

 

[ADiTAR]

Yeah, but it is as low rated as acolyte. While I appreciate the value in an adult Star Wars that audience isn't that large. It's family entertainment, so stuff like Mando and the clone wars.

what? Andor is the highest rated SW TV. Both in audience and critic. Acolyte is not even close.

 

[tkscz]

 

[Trogdor1123]

Ok, I enjoy star wars a fair bit. None of the new stuff other than Rogue One (solo was ok too) and Skeleton Crew looks great but I see all of these comments about “getting “ Star Wars. What does that even mean? What is there to get? I am far from a master of cinema so I don’t get understand these comments. I am honestly trying to understand these comments.

 

[jason10mm]

what? Andor is the highest rated SW TV. Both in audience and critic. Acolyte is not even close.

I meant viewership, not critic or audience score.

Andor is around Ahsoka, both far below Mando, Fett, or Obi-wan. Acolyte final tally would boost it a bit in these ratings/viewer numbers I think.

 

[ADiTAR]

I meant viewership, not critic or audience score.

Andor is around Ahsoka, both far below Mando, Fett, or Obi-wan. Acolyte final tally would boost it a bit in these ratings/viewer numbers I think.

Doesn't mean it wasn't a quality product and where SW can go. Which is where I think it should.

Andor didn't have any known SW characters in it, or a merch yoda baby.

 

[jason10mm]

Doesn't mean it wasn't a quality product and where SW can go. Which is where I think it should.

Andor didn't have any known SW characters in it, or a merch yoda baby.

I agree with you, but Andor ain't paying the bills, Mando is. If it is any good, Skeleton Crew will. Andor is the treat for serious adults. Acolyte and Fett are the stuff they need to cull.

 

[ADiTAR]

I agree with you, but Andor ain't paying the bills, Mando is. If it is any good, Skeleton Crew will. Andor is the treat for serious adults. Acolyte and Fett are the stuff they need to cull.

We'll see how well Mando will do in cinema. After the 3rd season, I have doubts.

 

[Interfectum]

We'll see how well Mando will do in cinema. After the 3rd season, I have doubts.

Yeah the series is fucked after season 3.