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[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Star Wars: Legacy of the Force

This story takes place after the events of the original trilogy. Leia has recently passed away, leaving a void in the galaxy. Luke Skywalker, now an aged recluse, lives in isolation after the failures of the Jedi Order. Kyle Katarn, a seasoned Jedi, steps into the spotlight as a new dark threat emerges from the edges of the galaxy.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Star Wars: Legacy of the Force

This story takes place after the events of the original trilogy. Leia has recently passed away, leaving a void in the galaxy. Luke Skywalker, now an aged recluse, lives in isolation after the failures of the Jedi Order. Kyle Katarn, a seasoned Jedi, steps into the spotlight as a new dark threat emerges from the edges of the galaxy.


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ACT I: THE ECHO OF A LEGEND

SCENE 1: The Funeral of Leia Organa

Wide shot of Naboo. A state funeral is held in the Royal Palace in honor of Leia Organa. Leaders of the New Republic, Rebel veterans, and a small group of Jedi attend the ceremony.

Kyle Katarn: (quietly, staring at the casket) "First the Alliance, now you... Everything you built seems to be falling apart, Leia."

Mon Mothma: (to Kyle) "The galaxy needs leaders, Katarn. With Luke in hiding, and Leia gone... I don’t know if we can survive this new threat."

Kyle: "I’m no politician. I’m a Jedi. But I won’t sit by and watch it all burn."


In a corner, R2-D2 lets out a soft beep. Kyle notices him, as if the droid is trying to convey something important.


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SCENE 2: The Call of the Force

On a barren planet, Luke Skywalker is isolated, tending to a small garden. Suddenly, he feels a disturbance in the Force.

Luke: (whispering) "Leia..."
*Leia's spirit appears before him as a shimmering, translucent

 

[NeoGiffer]

Star Wars: Legacy of the Force

This story takes place after the events of the original trilogy. Leia has recently passed away, leaving a void in the galaxy. Luke Skywalker, now an aged recluse, lives in isolation after the failures of the Jedi Order. Kyle Katarn, a seasoned Jedi, steps into the spotlight as a new dark threat emerges from the edges of the galaxy.

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[RJMacready73]

When my wee lad and girl where a young age I tried to get both of them into Starwars, from the cartoons to playing out the characters to watching the prequels and it was the boy who loved it, the wee girl went meh and has absolutely zero interest in it, anecdotally I know no girl into Starwars, all her mates think it's stupid and all the wee lads mates love it... How the fuck Disney can't get this is beyond me, yes there are loads of female fans but they are absolutely dwarfed by us Y chromo's and when you produce shite aimed at the smaller demographic don't be fucking surprised when the boys and their dads don't watch it

 

[Days like these...]

Fanbase that made it big in the 70s are either dead or no longer gives a flying f*ck except for few hardcore fans, and those cannot carry it in this economical climate.

I'm very much alive and kicking thank you but yeah I don't give a fuck anymore I noped out after TFA what in the soft reboot rehash cash grab hell was that? Didn't even bother with the other 2 shitquels.

 

[IntentionalPun]

When my wee lad and girl where a young age I tried to get both of them into Starwars, from the cartoons to playing out the characters to watching the prequels and it was the boy who loved it, the wee girl went meh and has absolutely zero interest in it, anecdotally I know no girl into Starwars, all her mates think it's stupid and all the wee lads mates love it... How the fuck Disney can't get this is beyond me, yes there are loads of female fans but they are absolutely dwarfed by us Y chromo's and when you produce shite aimed at the smaller demographic don't be fucking surprised when the boys and their dads don't watch it

That’s kind of the point though; it’s an untapped market.

They think they can get most of the same boys watching and a bunch of girls.

It’s a failed strategy most of the time, but that’s what these media companies have on their spreadsheets justifying these decisions behind the scenes, alongside their DEI talking points.

Beyond that they think having a show they expect mostly to be watched by girls/women will increase their toy sales to girls.

DEI at the high up corporate level is a mixture of belief it will profit and belief in the movement regardless of profit.

 

[jason10mm]

Forget EVERYTHING Skywalker, even jedi and sith.

Set it in some solar system with no reference to anything we know. This collection of planets is ruled by a small oligarchy with an iron fist. They ruthlessly suppress their people and actively search out force sensitives to disappear them forever (through a combination of witch hunters, "midichlorian" testing [though we never elaborate on the concept to keep it nebulous], and neighbors reporting on each other). A young MAN learns he is force sensitive, but he is in a remote area so he has time to grow to late adolescence before he is found out. He escapes, finds others like himself, and has to flee his system for a fabled "better place". He makes it out, the "better place" turns out to not really give a shit about his backward little tyrannical system, so he recruits folks to go back and free his people HIMSELF.

Weave in themes of heroisms, sacrifice, resilience, destiny. It's not about swinging lightsabers, this lock step Jedi/Sith dichotomy that's been dragging down star wars for decades, and yeah, it's clearly drawing from experiences of people fleeing the Soviets across the Berlin Wall or out of North Korea, even areas of asia, south america and africa, to realize that the "wider world" doesn't really care about you and YOU HAVE TO SAVE YOURSELF. Take the basics of the technology and come up with cool new stuff, rethink how the Force presents and could be used outside of Jedi/Sith, and go back to basics with the story structure, the hero's journey, and tie it into a political analogy that can work better than the perpetual Republic vs Empire revolving door. No Death Star, no kindly deus ex machina yoda type.

Build it around a young man and support him with strong characters that push HIS story, not their own. Give him real stakes and a solid goal. Escape. Get help. Come back and WIN. No whinging about his feelings (give him a girl sidekick to cry for him if you must), he learns from his mistakes (and he will make some), he is willing to be ruthless and accept the consequences when he is.

I don't think it's that hard to figure these films out IF you start from a good foundation for a film boys will relate to and enjoy. Stop writing to a 4 quadrant audience and trying to check off boxes. But also reign in the Zack Snyder impulses a bit 'cause that guy is a bit out of control

 

[BlackTron]

I was just scrolling on my phone and saw "everything we know about Star Wars 10, 11 and 12" and I just kept scrolling right past it. I just don't care anymore. In fact Mando S3 was so bad I hardly care about that movie and don't even remember off the top of my head when it's supposed to come out. Come a long way from DLing a tiny res quicktime Episode 1 trailer on dialup to play 50 times.

 

[diffusionx]

When my wee lad and girl where a young age I tried to get both of them into Starwars, from the cartoons to playing out the characters to watching the prequels and it was the boy who loved it, the wee girl went meh and has absolutely zero interest in it, anecdotally I know no girl into Starwars, all her mates think it's stupid and all the wee lads mates love it... How the fuck Disney can't get this is beyond me, yes there are loads of female fans but they are absolutely dwarfed by us Y chromo's and when you produce shite aimed at the smaller demographic don't be fucking surprised when the boys and their dads don't watch it

That is what killed Star Wars from the jump, they turned it from a swashbuckling adventure for boys into a girlboss fantasy. "Force is female" etc. But they're still doing it so...

Forget EVERYTHING Skywalker, even jedi and sith.

Set it in some solar system with no reference to anything we know. This collection of planets is ruled by a small oligarchy with an iron fist. They ruthlessly suppress their people and actively search out force sensitives to disappear them forever (through a combination of witch hunters, "midichlorian" testing [though we never elaborate on the concept to keep it nebulous], and neighbors reporting on each other). A young MAN learns he is force sensitive, but he is in a remote area so he has time to grow to late adolescence before he is found out. He escapes, finds others like himself, and has to flee his system for a fabled "better place". He makes it out, the "better place" turns out to not really give a shit about his backward little tyrannical system, so he recruits folks to go back and free his people HIMSELF.

Weave in themes of heroisms, sacrifice, resilience, destiny. It's not about swinging lightsabers, this lock step Jedi/Sith dichotomy that's been dragging down star wars for decades, and yeah, it's clearly drawing from experiences of people fleeing the Soviets across the Berlin Wall or out of North Korea, even areas of asia, south america and africa, to realize that the "wider world" doesn't really care about you and YOU HAVE TO SAVE YOURSELF. Take the basics of the technology and come up with cool new stuff, rethink how the Force presents and could be used outside of Jedi/Sith, and go back to basics with the story structure, the hero's journey, and tie it into a political analogy that can work better than the perpetual Republic vs Empire revolving door. No Death Star, no kindly deus ex machina yoda type.

Build it around a young man and support him with strong characters that push HIS story, not their own. Give him real stakes and a solid goal. Escape. Get help. Come back and WIN. No whinging about his feelings (give him a girl sidekick to cry for him if you must), he learns from his mistakes (and he will make some), he is willing to be ruthless and accept the consequences when he is.

I don't think it's that hard to figure these films out IF you start from a good foundation for a film boys will relate to and enjoy. Stop writing to a 4 quadrant audience and trying to check off boxes. But also reign in the Zack Snyder impulses a bit 'cause that guy is a bit out of control

The issue as always isn't what to do but how to do it. you can't have a creative enterprise run by modern Disney sign off on this. I said it in the Acolyte thread, it's funny how when you get a writer's room full of women it always turns into them writing about witches and a coven. I watched like one episode of the Agatha show and it was the exact same thing, a witches' coven. Take from that what you will but you cannot have a bunch of people whose natural impulse is to write about witches casting spells and summoning demons and have them write the Hero's Journey. It can't happen, it won't happen, and we see it all over media today.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I'm very much alive and kicking thank you but yeah I don't give a fuck anymore I noped out after TFA what in the soft reboot rehash cash grab hell was that? Didn't even bother with the other 2 shitquels.

I've always loved Star Wars even the prequels. Since the Disney shit, I can't stand the franchise anymore. I have no more interest in Star Wars. Thanks Disney, you killed it for me.

 

[jason10mm]

I was just scrolling on my phone and saw "everything we know about Star Wars 10, 11 and 12" and I just kept scrolling right past it. I just don't care anymore. In fact Mando S3 was so bad I hardly care about that movie and don't even remember off the top of my head when it's supposed to come out. Come a long way from DLing a tiny res quicktime Episode 1 trailer on dialup to play 50 times.

Mandalorian and Grogu is still slated for May 2026, I think. I'm not sure it has even started filming though.

This other SW film was supposed to be directed by the lady who said she likes making "men uncomfortable", which is fine for a political activist documentary.....probably not for a STAR WARS film. I think Lucasarts is realizing that hiring auteur indie directors isn't working out well for them and they need to start getting folks that actually know what they are doing with big budget, effects heavy, action films.

 

[jason10mm]

That is what killed Star Wars from the jump, they turned it from a swashbuckling adventure for boys into a girlboss fantasy. "Force is female" etc. But they're still doing it so...


The issue as always isn't what to do but how to do it. you can't have a creative enterprise run by modern Disney sign off on this. I said it in the Acolyte thread, it's funny how when you get a writer's room full of women it always turns into them writing about witches and a coven. I watched like one episode of the Agatha show and it was the exact same thing, a witches' coven. Take from that what you will but you cannot have a bunch of people whose natural impulse is to write about witches casting spells and summoning demons and have them write the Hero's Journey. It can't happen, it won't happen, and we see it all over media today.

I think the women just go googoo over the idea that women can sit in a room, think up some coocoo strategy to solve problems, then use "magic" to force it to happen. Men I think naturally gravitate to the folks DOING the action, women to the ordering of it, and it takes a conscious effort to recognize this and work around it.

 

[diffusionx]

I think the women just go googoo over the idea that women can sit in a room, think up some coocoo strategy to solve problems, then use "magic" to force it to happen. Men I think naturally gravitate to the folks DOING the action, women to the ordering of it, and it takes a conscious effort to recognize this and work around it.

Like I said, whatever the reasons are for this, it is what happens. But the point is that these two "visions" are mutually incompatible. As long as the people in charge of Disney are in chargeo f Disney and the creative process, nothing can change and there is no way a vision incompatible with a bunch of witches casting spells and using magic would be accepted.

edit: actually now it's not even good enough to have witches, the witches need to be gay.

 

[Ammogeddon]

Andor is enough for me. Hopefully they haven't butchered season 2.

As long as they leave Gilroy the fuck alone so he can cook we should be okay.

 

[RavageX]

How many Star Wars films have been worked on since the failed new ones? It's sad how something so simple as Star Wars where there's really no depth to anything and it's just a space soap opera, can't even make it to shooting.

As someone who's interest in Star Wars was only thinking Darth Vader and lightsabers were cool....

I think they have kinda killed what was special about it. Some of the games are still cool though.

I think they need to regress it, just focus on books or something. Make people forget about all the lame stuff they did with it.

People I know that were fans are kinda sick of it.

Kinda like how I was a big superhero fan...I still am in a way but I really don't want to see anymore movies. I'm tired of them. I'm even tired of Batman.

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

With the power of Chat Gpt we can make a better script than Disney.

 

[March Climber]

Kathleen Kennedy must have an unprecedented amount of dirt on all Disney higher-ups. there's literally no other way this incompetent moron still works there after this spectacular number of failures and waste

I feel the same way about Avi Arad and Sony.

 

[March Climber]

Make a sequel to ROTJ and just recast everyone.

They need to stay far, far, far, far away from the Skywalker Saga. All of it. Let all of that shit go.

It is not worth revisiting. It is not worth telling even more stories within that set amount of years. These new rumored Rey movies need to go too. It is just not worth it.

 

[Days like these...]

They need to stay far, far, far, far away from the Skywalker Saga. All of it. Let all of that shit go.

It is not worth revisiting. It is not worth telling even more stories within that set amount of years. These new rumored Rey movies need to go too. It is just not worth it.

Look if they want it to a be a hit it has to have the original characters give them a proper heroic send off while introducing new likable and charismatic characters. No Mary sues with the personality of styrofoam

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Well supposedly an upcoming live action streaming series and eventually probably movies. I would not be the one surprised at all.

And at least with a Warhammer 40,000 series, you have an actual fan who will be producing.

So what you are saying is that our option is to trade in one bloated, equity injected, fan hating, cash milking machine of a toilet swirling universe now written by out of touch tryhards with the mental acuity of adolescent "Joan of Arc" fanfic writers, INSTEAD OF Star Wars?!?!

Yeah I don't know a lot about Warhammer, but from being on the periphery of people who do... my impression was that it's now also on the slope towards eventually being as gay as D&D 5e, just taking longer to get there

sadly, corporate control over IPs always goes that way -- and it's not for any fake ideals they hide behind, but simply because the only thing they know how to do is "expand the base" and make obvious moves to bring in people who didn't care about a franchise... all the while, losing the people who actually do care and who created it in the first place. Then when it's ruined, they buy another IP and ruin that.

 

[March Climber]

Look if they want it to a be a hit it has to have the original characters give them a proper heroic send off while introducing new likable and charismatic characters. No Mary sues with the personality of styrofoam

It's far too late for a send-off. Time keeps moving forward and they don't even have a good plan in place for their current line up of films and shows with reshoots, delays, etc...and you want them to try and re-do 7, 8 and 9 a decade or more later? You think that would be a hit?

Not only would they look bad for 'admitting' that they screwed up, not only would they insult all of the production teams who worked on the original 7/8/9, on top of all of that they would be laughed at, mocked, and ridiculed moreso than they already are at this very volatile time they're in with the I.P.

Marvel has such a large catalogue of characters, themes, and other avenues it can take to the point where it can still be saved and eventually end up at a better place.

However, it should be 100% clear to anyone that the Skywalker Saga has to go. The more they put into that era of time, the heavier the shackle feels underwater.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yeah I don't know a lot about Warhammer, but from being on the periphery of people who do... my impression was that it's now also on the slope towards eventually being as gay as D&D 5e, just taking longer to get there

I’m closer than the periphery… and no. Warhammer is not going to go down the same path. GW are very, very aware who their target audience for all that plastic is. Hence why we’ve still heard nothing from them or Amazon about the live action stuff. When it comes to GW’s strategy and the way they think, it’s always about the plastic.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Star Wars: Legacy of the Force

This story takes place after the events of the original trilogy. Leia has recently passed away, leaving a void in the galaxy. Luke Skywalker, now an aged recluse, lives in isolation after the failures of the Jedi Order. Kyle Katarn, a seasoned Jedi, steps into the spotlight as a new dark threat emerges from the edges of the galaxy.


---

ACT I: THE ECHO OF A LEGEND

SCENE 1: The Funeral of Leia Organa

Wide shot of Naboo. A state funeral is held in the Royal Palace in honor of Leia Organa. Leaders of the New Republic, Rebel veterans, and a small group of Jedi attend the ceremony.

Kyle Katarn: (quietly, staring at the casket) "First the Alliance, now you... Everything you built seems to be falling apart, Leia."

Mon Mothma: (to Kyle) "The galaxy needs leaders, Katarn. With Luke in hiding, and Leia gone... I don’t know if we can survive this new threat."

Kyle: "I’m no politician. I’m a Jedi. But I won’t sit by and watch it all burn."


In a corner, R2-D2 lets out a soft beep. Kyle notices him, as if the droid is trying to convey something important.


---

SCENE 2: The Call of the Force

On a barren planet, Luke Skywalker is isolated, tending to a small garden. Suddenly, he feels a disturbance in the Force.

Luke: (whispering) "Leia..."
*Leia's spirit appears before him as a shimmering, translucent

 

[rm082e]

As someone who has never liked anything to do with Star Wars, I don't know how anyone could be upset that less Star Wars content is going to come out while Kennedy is still running the place. Isn't that a good thing? Wouldn't you rather not see any more garbage come out of that studio while she's stuffing all the DEI bullshit into it?

 

[Fbh]

I refuse to believe they have real compelling data telling them a relevant number of people actually want a Rey movie and a follow up to the shitty sequels

 

[Days like these...]

It's far too late for a send-off. Time keeps moving forward and they don't even have a good plan in place for their current line up of films and shows with reshoots, delays, etc...and you want them to try and re-do 7, 8 and 9 a decade or more later? You think that would be a hit?

Not only would they look bad for 'admitting' that they screwed up, not only would they insult all of the production teams who worked on the original 7/8/9, on top of all of that they would be laughed at, mocked, and ridiculed moreso than they already are at this very volatile time they're in with the I.P.

Marvel has such a large catalogue of characters, themes, and other avenues it can take to the point where it can still be saved and eventually end up at a better place.

However, it should be 100% clear to anyone that the Skywalker Saga has to go. The more they put into that era of time, the heavier the shackle feels underwater.

Not redo them make a sequel to ROTJ with Luke, Han, Leia, etc cast by new actors. It can't be any worse than a new Mary Sue Jedi pic

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Wouldn't you rather not see any more garbage come out of that studio while she's stuffing all the DEI bullshit into it?

definitely; a total disappearance of Star Wars would be nice

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Oh shit a Star Wars thread we can absolutely throttle without being told "my executive insiders tell me that the cancelled movie is only being canceled because The Acolyte actually made TOO MUCH money, and you're all bigots,"

Something's missing here.

 

[March Climber]

Not redo them make a sequel to ROTJ with Luke, Han, Leia, etc cast by new actors.

I guess we will agree to disagree. Even this sequel-but-not-quite-part-7 that you're asking for sounds too pandering to me. It's the exact thing people keep groaning about because they keep milking George Lucas' works.

Edit: By constantly reaching to the Skywalker Saga, it just feels like someone trying to save a relationship that we know is already ending. "What if we did this" or "what if we did that" to save it, when the other person is looking through us and not at us.

 

[Billbofet]

They made Star Wars the smallest, most inbred universe ever.

 

[Gp1]

They canned the most obvious win which would be the Xwing/ rogue squadron movie right after Top Gun Maverick to simply do nothing with the franchise.

Disney has the entire lore, the expanded universe to copy, infinite resources and it can't nail not even a normal/mid/good but forgettable movie.

Now they are betting on the nostalgia of characters that basically no one cares about.

It's not a big disaster only because the franchise basically prints money.

 

[AJUMP23]

The more they remove the less they destroy.

 

[Setzer]

Never watching anything Star Wars related again as long as Disney is tied to it.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Never watching anything Star Wars related again as long as Disney is tied to it.

No Andor season 2?

 

[Wildebeest]

The best part of Star Wars was when Buck Rogers flew the Enterprise into the Dork Star. They'll never top it.

 

[Mortisfacio]

Never watching anything Star Wars related again as long as Disney is tied to it.

This is pretty much where I'm at. I gave up after Force Awakens. Just felt like a forced nostalgia trip where they recycled plotlines from New Hope, Rey just suddenly becomes a master jedi out of nowhere, made for modern audiences, no characters I care about, new "cute" robot to replace R2-D2 to sell merch, etc.

Once I saw the clip of Mary Poppin's in space for episode 8, I nope'd out and never watched it.

 

[Laptop1991]

Disney removed Star Wars from Star Wars long ago, and hopefully Ice Age 6 will be written well without all the nonsense, but it's modern Disney we are dealing with here, look what they did to DR Who lol.

 

[DGrayson]

sadly, corporate control over IPs always goes that way -- and it's not for any fake ideals they hide behind, but simply because the only thing they know how to do is "expand the base" and make obvious moves to bring in people who didn't care about a franchise... all the while, losing the people who actually do care and who created it in the first place. Then when it's ruined, they buy another IP and ruin that.

Great take. These execs always assume the rabid fanbase will always be there, no matter what changes they make. So of course they want to bring in new fans to make more money. It almost makes sense except their whole assumption goes out the window when they don't realize why the OG fanbase was there in the first place.

 

[Saber]

Great take. These execs always assume the rabid fanbase will always be there, no matter what changes they make. So of course they want to bring in new fans to make more money. It almost makes sense except their whole assumption goes out the window when they don't realize why the OG fanbase was there in the first place.

I honestly find hard to believe when that bitch KK literally made a campaign against men being a problem, by stating SW was men centered(AKA creating a problem that never exist and offer herlsef as the solution). After that we had a bunch of dumb girls spouting "patriarchy" and the like.
I can understand making a market to bring people that never had any interest, but this is basically a marketing against the people who were into it.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

We need more characters asking about pronouns, lesbian space witches, and modern music. Don't forget about stellar casting like Lizzo. It's done for.

 

[Harkonnen]

Not redo them make a sequel to ROTJ with Luke, Han, Leia, etc cast by new actors. It can't be any worse than a new Mary Sue Jedi pic

 

[AJUMP23]

I would like to see something in the old republic. I think the Revan storyline from KOTOR is pretty good. They could do a twist on that. End the first movie by a single Jedi finding a Sith Conclave. Second movie - Sith kill all but a remnant of the Jedi/ Third film, A small Jedi force with a dynamic leader rallies old and new untested jedi to lead them to victory and restore peace and order.

 

[gatti-man]

Disney has done the impossible. I don’t even care about Star Wars content anymore. It’s always boring trash. My favorite IP of my life and I don’t care anymore.

 

[Porcile]

Just do what Lucas did and build a story based on the classics. Problem is these new writers don't think they have to go back to the classics, and the basics, and instead just reference Star Wars in meta way or try to reinvent the wheel over and over. I bet the writers and directors of new Star Wars films and TV series couldn't get even name a non-Star Wars book or story they used as a reference.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Disney has done the impossible. I don’t even care about Star Wars content anymore. It’s always boring trash. My favorite IP of my life and I don’t care anymore.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel. I was such a huge fan and now I can't get myself to give one shit about anything Star Wars nowadays. Disney has actually poisoned it.

 

[jason10mm]

Ms. Kennedy, if you are wondering what sort of vibe, swagger, ATTITUDE would bring star wars fans (you know, the ones that actually spend MONEY on it) back, here it is...

 

[Derekloffin]

Sadly, I think they have effectively killed the IP for the time being. Too much slop, too little vision, and too much hostility to the fanbase. I think the only chance to recover now is with a long period of rest then another reboot with a whole new team who actually wants to serve and build the franchise, not their own egos and personal causes. That is about the only way to rebuild the fanbase now as they have effectively annoyed or disillusioned the fanbase they started with.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

The real story here is that Ice Age is back.

 

[jason10mm]

The real story here is that Ice Age is back.

That damned squirrel better get his fucking acorn!

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Jesus Christ how hard is it, take everyone that made Rogue 1 and Andor, lock them in a room with bags of cash and shoot anyone that resembles Kathleen Kennedy coming anywhere near them and hey presto.. great star wars movie

Also stop fucking pretending that star wars appeals to anyone outside of old white dudes

This, I also think Lucas should get involved for the start of a new Trilogy. He could work heavily on the first one and leave-off, after that. Wishful thinking, I know...