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DisneyPrincess Mafia |OT| Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, Whos the Scummiest of Them All
- Thread starter YesNOnoNOYes
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It's not about the player you're prodding. It's about letting everyone else know that it's better to start speaking up than to let yourself get prodded. We need some solid fear going around.
Scum hiding in the background and only talking when prompted can get away with the game very easy. It happens all the time and very obviously. They just don't say anything that can be used to damn them. You are fitting the profile, too. You're just kind of sitting here waiting for an excuse to talk.
That is one of the scummiest town lists I've ever seen. That's also one of the scummiest scum lists I've ever seen.
As for my reads, the only player I like so far is freakinchair. His posts have this naive tone
weemadarthur
Member
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I didn't post a scum list. And I don't understand why you think the town list is scummy. I don't understand any of your post, really. I'm just trying to keep actual conversation happening, without everything being stuffed with fluff.
Septimus Prime
Member
Not really, no. I don't have thoughts on anyone yet. I just don't think it's a good idea to not lynch on the first day.
Septimus Prime
Member
My thought process right now is to just think about various Disney princesses and villains and wonder which are in the game. Also, who is the white haired girl in the pic in the OP?
You know exactly what list I was talking about. Don't let your semantics chasing get ahead of you.
The town list is the 3 people who voted No Lynch. Which is scummy and btw, did you even notice my questioning of these players and their choices that has just gone almost completely ignored? Gryvan is the only one who has been responding. Is that town behavior to you? The other 2 players haven't said jack, either. Trigger is off in dreamland feigning concern over vote prodding. He's scum. You're definitely scum.
That is Princess Kida from Atlantis: The Lost Empire.
For now i Just Vote on a No Lyncher, because I think that's not a Pro Town move, but I understand the reasoning behind such a Vote because I wanted to do the same thing in my last Game.
vote: Freakinchair
You mean the 2nd from right?
Thats "Kida Nedakh" from the Disney Atlantis Movie.
vote: Freakinchair
You mean the 2nd from right?
Thats "Kida Nedakh" from the Disney Atlantis Movie.
weemadarthur
Member
Oh, ok, I understand now. I have 2 of 3 no voters on my towny list. And 4 others you conveniently gloss over.
Freakinchair is an ultra noob like me. You yourself just said they sound naive and non scummy.
Euphemism isn't on either list I posted.
Gryvan was suspicious to me at first, but his later posts were responsive enough that I backed off my suspicions and moved him up to the pro town list.
Trigger brought up a conversation topic to stir discussion instead of just fluffy posts (wanting to know if anyone seemed Town) and I responded to it so there would be discussion. It didn't seem scummy to me, but you may be right about the other post not wanting pile ons being a bit scummy.
You don't seem to have any arguments against panda, ferret, or christina - do you have any arguments FOR any of them? Or for anyone else for that matter?
I'm truly not arguing semantics (anymore, that was just because there's NOTHING to talk about on the first page and I was excited to play...)
My hear more list is absolutely a neutral list and not a scum list. I hadn't wanted to be rude, but you head up my scum list. I just haven't got all my thoughts together to make a coherent argument, which is why I posted a good/neutral list and saved evil for later. And there would be more people on the hear more list - my evil tending list in my head isn't made of 'everyone else'.
I'm not scum. So skip the drama please.
Freakinchair
Member
Pretty sure I explained myself clearly in a few of my posts. This kind of aggressive eclectic posting is going to get you targeted... which makes me question what side you're really on.
Why exactly is aggressive posting scummy to you?
Freakinchair
Member
I don't necessarily mean scum in my comment. Could be some sort of neutral role.
Freakinchair
Member
Could be trying to draw attention to himself as a target to be lynched or killed at night. Could be trying to assert himself as one of the good guys by aggressively accusing other people and painting himself as a target to mafia (but really he knows he's safe). Lot's of possible reasons.
All you need is your... imagination!
It would appear you've argued against your own position here. There are just as many reasons for aggressive play to be reflective of town. Without specifying one in the context of the current game you're basically saying you don't actually have an argument to make.
Royal_Flush
Member
Nah, in our "I RNG my first vote" meta that's a Null read. In fact, I am more suspicious of the people who want to slow this already horribly slow thread further down by lynching active players. If they are driving discussion, they are good in early game, no matter their alignment. That's why you don't ever lynch Sorian before D3.
I want scum to win.
Look, I just posted something literally definite scummy that not under any circumstances could have happened by accident unless I thought this was OuterGAFia. I'm sure, it's just a slip-up anyway, and I just outed myself as scum, right?
And I thought, I was the one not getting "witty" comments.
Nah, that's not how it works. Scum players most likely will have similar or lower activity than they normally have. If RNGesus has a funny day, all Scum players have similar posting activity. The biggets mistake you can make is "ok, we got the high activity Scum, now let's focus on low activity people". Concentrate on actual interaction.
That's at least one level too deep.
That's convenient, isn't it?... Especially since you weren't even scum in your first game.
Likewise with Darryl. Unless there's a blatant scum read of course.
A slow D1 will take care of itself when the flips happen and we see who stands where.
flatearthpandas
Member
Awful lot of low post count players complaining about how slow the thread is. Get dancing, ladies.
Quick question on this, is the spoiler actually true? or was it just a joking spoiler?
And does that mean you can't vote over those specific days before night 1 starts?
Hi
Freakinchair
Member
Are there? You've supplied none.
flatearthpandas
Member
Vote: GreatCharleston
Two posts. First makes a possible vanilla town soft claim claiming inactivity for night phase (but that's fine lol! ;P) and the second complaining no one is posting.
So what's popping?
Two posts. First makes a possible vanilla town soft claim claiming inactivity for night phase (but that's fine lol! ;P) and the second complaining no one is posting.
So what's popping?
flatearthpandas
Member
I'll agree with chair, here. Not seeing any town reasons for overly aggressive play. Not to say there aren't any, although I would say it's bad play on either faction if you get people worked up enough they vote for you emotionally. Not saying I see that happening either.
Town player sees slow conversation, this is bad overall for town in the long run, playing aggressively forces other players to respond. Town player has ability that will trigger if night killed, drawing mafia's attention would be a net boon. Town player who is vanilla, plays aggressively to draw attention away from PRs. Etc.
Use your imagination.
Dusk Soldier
Member
We're not allowed to post in this thread during the night phase, that's all he meant by that.
flatearthpandas
Member
Or the Mafia just lets them keep at it until they get lynched. Good reads and investigation would make scum want to silence someone, not gotten harassment.
Plus if he'll be gone from Thursday-Saturday...well, it's almost Thursday...
The problem with prodding him like we did for Seath is that if he is telling the truth he won't respond. I don't want to create a defacto lynch situation just yet (even though right now No Lynch is winning).
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
A kitty with fangs. A kitty with a crown of flowers. A kitty with no common sense.
CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
No Lynch (3)
Freakinchair .142
gryvan .161
Euphemism .196
gryvan (2)
Terrabyte20xx .213
Darryl .228
GreatCharleston (2)
Unmasked Ferret .225
flatearthpandas .274
Darryl (1)
Christina Mackenzie .244
Euphemism (1)
Fireblend .154
weemadarthur (1)
TheExodu5 .248
Freakinchair (1)
Rynam .259
Seath (1)
ultron87 .158 .240
Darryl .177 .228
Septimus Prime .195
Enker .212 .238
AbsolutBro (1)
Unmasked Ferret .178 .225
weemadarthur .236
Unmasked Ferret (1)
Christina Mackenzie .119 .244
Dusk Soldier .159
TheExodu5 .188 .247
Royal_Flush (0)
flatearthpandas .130 .150
Enker (0)
Terrabyte20xx .182 .213
Fireblend (0)
Lone_Prodigy .101 .102
TheExodu5 (0)
Darryl .124 .177
Septimus Prime (0)
Trigger .237 .269
Dusk Soldier (0)
Trigger .152 .187
Zatoth (0)
Unmasked Ferret .100 .178
Terrabyte20xx (0)
TheExodu5 .121 .188
Darryl .123 .124
No active vote for Day 1:
AbsolutBro
Enker (has previously voted)
GreatCharleston
Lone_Prodigy (has previously voted)
Mazre
Royal_Flush
Seath
Trigger (has previously voted)
ultron87 (has previously voted)
Zatoth
Day 1 ends:
13 votes for majority
CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
No Lynch (3)
Freakinchair .142
gryvan .161
Euphemism .196
gryvan (2)
Terrabyte20xx .213
Darryl .228
GreatCharleston (2)
Unmasked Ferret .225
flatearthpandas .274
Darryl (1)
Christina Mackenzie .244
Euphemism (1)
Fireblend .154
weemadarthur (1)
TheExodu5 .248
Freakinchair (1)
Rynam .259
Seath (1)
Septimus Prime .195
AbsolutBro (1)
weemadarthur .236
Unmasked Ferret (1)
Dusk Soldier .159
Royal_Flush (0)
Enker (0)
Fireblend (0)
TheExodu5 (0)
Septimus Prime (0)
Dusk Soldier (0)
Zatoth (0)
Terrabyte20xx (0)
No active vote for Day 1:
AbsolutBro
Enker (has previously voted)
GreatCharleston
Lone_Prodigy (has previously voted)
Mazre
Royal_Flush
Seath
Trigger (has previously voted)
ultron87 (has previously voted)
Zatoth
Day 1 ends:
13 votes for majority
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Actually, yeah.
Fluffy, really really fluffy. For some reason a good majority of posts serve as nothing but filler. Lots of "flavor" posts by people, but not much meat. Daryl is probably the only one on my "town list" because he actually posts like he cares.
As for my own posts, I don't post unless I really have something to say because of this fluffy nonsense. Also, my drive by votes matter, I never do anything without reason.
All that being said:
VOTE: DuskSoldier
Unmasked Ferret
Member
OK I can see that. Yeah this thread is slow and again I understand being quiet, especially in such a slow thread. So nothing/no one stands out to you yet?
At this point I doubt there'll be much of a landslide unless something really dramatic happens.
I can probably guess but could you explain why?
So even though you admit to understanding why a new player would vote no lynch, you decide to vote for the new player advocating a no lynch? Why chair over the others?
Seath, as a relatively fresh set of eyes, what do you think? Anything at all standing out or worth discussing?
If you really feel like theres so much fluff why not try to stir the conversation a bit yourself? (Same to everyone else not really posting for similar reasons)
Care to explain the reason for this vote?
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Oh right.
UNVOTE
UNVOTE
Christina Mackenzie
Member
I agree. He's top of the post count, highly active and overtly trying to be town by prodding inactives and arguing against a "no lynch". The ideal cover for mafia.
Early on there's very little to go by, you might argue that the reasons I've listed are exactly why he's town. WIFOM, half-full/half-empty etc. My gut is telling me scum and not complaining about the "grey stuff " I had for dinner.
He was the only one without a Lynch on him. I have no idea who to vote else right now.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Why are you and Royal_Flush picking on Rynam? I see nothing wrong with his vote.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Fair enough.
I'm just trying to understand the thought process behind the vote.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
These are open questions directed to everyone, feel free to answer whenever or not at all.
1.How do you feel about weemadarthur's town list?
2.In regards to freakinchair's feelings on no d1 lynch, do you think he is just a naive new player, agree with him, or feel like maybe he is scum?
3.how do you feel about the Daryll vs weemadarthur thing?
My answers would be:
1. It's a nothing list. The reasoning behind the choices don't matter (not that they were given), he just put it out to seem contributive since I'm pretry sure there was no reason to give such a list at the time. Maybe he hoped to start conversation, but I'm leaning more towards him wanting to be visible.
2. Chair is a naive new player. I disagree with his reasoning but I respect that he's willing to stand by them.
3. Daryll is just doing what he does, he wanted a reaction and he got one. I'm still waiting for a reply to some of the later post in that discussion.
VOTE: Fireblend
We haven't seen you in awhile any thoughts on anything?
1.How do you feel about weemadarthur's town list?
2.In regards to freakinchair's feelings on no d1 lynch, do you think he is just a naive new player, agree with him, or feel like maybe he is scum?
3.how do you feel about the Daryll vs weemadarthur thing?
My answers would be:
1. It's a nothing list. The reasoning behind the choices don't matter (not that they were given), he just put it out to seem contributive since I'm pretry sure there was no reason to give such a list at the time. Maybe he hoped to start conversation, but I'm leaning more towards him wanting to be visible.
2. Chair is a naive new player. I disagree with his reasoning but I respect that he's willing to stand by them.
3. Daryll is just doing what he does, he wanted a reaction and he got one. I'm still waiting for a reply to some of the later post in that discussion.
VOTE: Fireblend
We haven't seen you in awhile any thoughts on anything?
What even is this? Do you think I'm scum? If you do, just vote for me. This is lazy FUD. I can't even respond to something so broad and general as this. I'm trying to win here, and I'm aggressively looking for answers because I know that I can find them if I try hard enough. That's all there is to it. If you want to do it, I'll stand down and watch you try. But right now, you're fucking voting No Lynch and telling us to wait for the PRs to work their magic. It's disingenuous. No genie is just going to grant you a victory here, you have to earn it.
There's nothing rude about calling out who is on your scum list. Your need to pussy foot around calling people out as scum is scummy itself. I'm always on scum lists, too. I really don't care. This is a game about currying favor only for scum players. You're concerned about your place within the game and not about the game itself. If the only player you can find that is scummy is one loudly trying to keep this game on track than I really don't think you're acting in towns favor. There are a lot of people here to worry about right now, the people fixating on easy targets for simple reasons ("aggressive") are always red flags for me.
Vote: Weemadarthur
flatearthpandas
Member
1.
Eh. I'm certain about one person, share some reads, don't share others. A read list is always useful, odds are good two of us won't survive to the next day and even unexplained lists are useful after a flip.
2.
Doesn't matter. There won't be a No Vote. Talking about it at all is just for something to talk about on day one imo and, honestly, there are pro-town reasons to no lynch sometimes. Null read for me either way.
3.
Ambivalent on the tone. Overall I agree with Darryl. Specifically in regards to crying scummy behavior. Where there's smoke there may be fire, and if the link is the one crying then...
1. Anyone that votes NO D1 LYNCH should expect to be suspected, if they know anything about the game. But that doesn't mean anyone on that list isn't scum.
2. No lynch doesn't always mean naive, I've played this game about 15 times online and off and sometimes it makes sense to hold off on the first lynching as statistically you risk killing a townie this early. If you lynch the wrong guy and then mafia gets a free kill the net night you are in a worse position than if you had waited and only lost one. I understand the rationale for a D1 vote but this is my first game on GAF and I'd prefer to play it safe on the first day.
3. Seems a pretty common thing at this point in the game.
Let's all keep our ladylike composures and not get flustered.
Hey guys. Sorry for my absence yesterday, I was actually kind of checking the post count throughout the day but didn't drop by to check what was being discussed. I appreciate the ping, Unmasked. I'll answer your questions first.
1.How do you feel about weemadarthur's town list?
I'm not a big fan of lists at this point, and that one looks like a particularly arbitrary one, but since we're in need of discussion I guess it's welcome. I wouldn't be too hopeful about its future value, but I guess we can come back to it eventually if needed.
2.In regards to freakinchair's feelings on no d1 lynch, do you think he is just a naive new player, agree with him, or feel like maybe he is scum?
I think he's just a noob atm, per Occam's Razor. He's defended his position so far with pretty weak/noob-ish arguments, and I think if he was scum maybe he'd be presenting better ones. Then again maybe the rest of the scum team would let him post away like that because going against the community's "meta game" doesn't really give away his alignment. Either way, the simplest explanation is he's just a newbie.
3.how do you feel about the Daryll vs weemadarthur thing?
Darryl is doing the right thing by trying to get a reaction; weemadarthur may be scum or he may not, but I think having something to discuss amongst ourselves is way more important than nailing scum on D1. We need to ramp up the activity levels here.
I have a couple other scattered thoughts:
Christina argues for Darryl playing "like scum would" by making himself seem useful, but other than the silly concept of playing like town being some sort of scumtell, it's not worth entertaining until we have a better pace for discussion here sans darryl. At this point I doubt any of us is willing to bet on anyone being town/scum, and we're perfectly aware that scum may play differently between them to throw us off (for all we know both Darryl and Wee are scum). All we have right now is what we have posted so far and you don't want to go after a player for being useful or active.
I'm going to
Unvote
and
Vote: Exodu5
You've been agreeing a bit too much with everyone lately; I think there's only one post of yours where you're not throwing praise at someone. Very safe posts. Show me an original thought.
1.How do you feel about weemadarthur's town list?
I'm not a big fan of lists at this point, and that one looks like a particularly arbitrary one, but since we're in need of discussion I guess it's welcome. I wouldn't be too hopeful about its future value, but I guess we can come back to it eventually if needed.
2.In regards to freakinchair's feelings on no d1 lynch, do you think he is just a naive new player, agree with him, or feel like maybe he is scum?
I think he's just a noob atm, per Occam's Razor. He's defended his position so far with pretty weak/noob-ish arguments, and I think if he was scum maybe he'd be presenting better ones. Then again maybe the rest of the scum team would let him post away like that because going against the community's "meta game" doesn't really give away his alignment. Either way, the simplest explanation is he's just a newbie.
3.how do you feel about the Daryll vs weemadarthur thing?
Darryl is doing the right thing by trying to get a reaction; weemadarthur may be scum or he may not, but I think having something to discuss amongst ourselves is way more important than nailing scum on D1. We need to ramp up the activity levels here.
I have a couple other scattered thoughts:
Christina argues for Darryl playing "like scum would" by making himself seem useful, but other than the silly concept of playing like town being some sort of scumtell, it's not worth entertaining until we have a better pace for discussion here sans darryl. At this point I doubt any of us is willing to bet on anyone being town/scum, and we're perfectly aware that scum may play differently between them to throw us off (for all we know both Darryl and Wee are scum). All we have right now is what we have posted so far and you don't want to go after a player for being useful or active.
I'm going to
Unvote
and
Vote: Exodu5
You've been agreeing a bit too much with everyone lately; I think there's only one post of yours where you're not throwing praise at someone. Very safe posts. Show me an original thought.
Yeah, this explanation doesn't make a ton of sense. which is really what I wanted to get out of you by questioning your reasoning. At the very worst Darryl is Scum who is doing some very townish stuff by ruffling feathers, which is what we need right now anyway. Given that the majority of players aren't even doing that much suspecting someone based on "they're playing too town-ey" is bizarre to me.
Aggressive play is generally a good thing. Getting people talking, explaining their actions, and putting people under some amount of pressure is what shakes the tree and lets town get reads. If everyone just gets to go "well I don't have anything right now, it is day 1" and everyone just sits on that and votes for a random person it gets us nowhere.
As promised I will make my vote today.
Vote: Seath
Why Seath?
Still not showing much activity. Started to post after some votes went his way. Posting gifs of Giselle from Enchated (had to look that up). Looking for his prince? May have to do with his role. May actually have to find his prince. Neutral roles?
But also a chance of being scum who tries to fake a role claim. May have waited for his Mafia partners to let him go that route. So he had to wait before he started posting.
Probably nothing at all. But that's all I've got for now.
Vote: Seath
Why Seath?
Still not showing much activity. Started to post after some votes went his way. Posting gifs of Giselle from Enchated (had to look that up). Looking for his prince? May have to do with his role. May actually have to find his prince. Neutral roles?
But also a chance of being scum who tries to fake a role claim. May have waited for his Mafia partners to let him go that route. So he had to wait before he started posting.
Probably nothing at all. But that's all I've got for now.
YesNOnoNOYes
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