CentralScrutinizer
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Nothing says photo realism like breaking the laws of physics in regards to lighting and shadow.
Burn this shit down.
Burn this shit down.
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MMaRsu
Member
Bethesda never made any good looking faces tho.
And to expect anything less is stupid
Guilty_AI
Member
It certainly a future, and one of the more viable use cases of AI tech in games (different from genie for example).
That said, it wont be used on everything, probably remaining as something like ray/path tracing. And given the specs necessary to make it run i doubt we'll be seeing this becoming mainstream or even going into the market anytime soon.
That said, it wont be used on everything, probably remaining as something like ray/path tracing. And given the specs necessary to make it run i doubt we'll be seeing this becoming mainstream or even going into the market anytime soon.
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Hyet
Member
This only makes sense for games with aesthetics DLSS5 will help improve.
I don't think nobody is thinking appliying this to Jet Set Radio.
Also, you can just turn it off if you don't want it or if you'd rather thave the performance.
BlackTron
Member
Well, they did look better in the prerelease screens/demos, right? Although I was mostly joking about this, either way it sucks because they suck and this is a "solution".
MMaRsu
Member
Nobody wants this though. And nobody asked for it.
And games without will be judged against games that do have it.
Every game without it will be labeled as ugly and shit.
Next thing you know, you have a whole generation of idiots who can't play a game without this horrible looking AI slop
spons
Gold Member
I'm absolutely in camp AI when it concerns programming, and stuff like early/rapid prototyping. I changed my opinion on this specific use case, and even that honestly took a while.
It's quite interesting how good the likes of Claude are at fundamental programming problems. People losing their jobs over this is a travesty, because it changes how we work, not that we necessarily have less work.
Management should push AI to create more at a higher quality, not as a way to achieve the same with less. It's galling that even investors, who focus on infinite growth, rarely see it this way. You can achieve more within the same constraints by properly applying AI tooling.
All of that said: AI still seems poo-poo at actual 3D modelling (I tried Meshy and got very mixed results) and this AI-rendering thing seems like an in-between kludge. I can see the value in AI-assisted development, but this ain't it at this point in time. I very much welcome innovation, but almost all DLSS 5 examples look butt ugly and this tech should not be released in this state. All the marketing surrounding it is also dogshit (fuck off Todd).
It's quite interesting how good the likes of Claude are at fundamental programming problems. People losing their jobs over this is a travesty, because it changes how we work, not that we necessarily have less work.
Management should push AI to create more at a higher quality, not as a way to achieve the same with less. It's galling that even investors, who focus on infinite growth, rarely see it this way. You can achieve more within the same constraints by properly applying AI tooling.
All of that said: AI still seems poo-poo at actual 3D modelling (I tried Meshy and got very mixed results) and this AI-rendering thing seems like an in-between kludge. I can see the value in AI-assisted development, but this ain't it at this point in time. I very much welcome innovation, but almost all DLSS 5 examples look butt ugly and this tech should not be released in this state. All the marketing surrounding it is also dogshit (fuck off Todd).
MMaRsu
Member
Nah they didnt, and the most unflattering screenshots of ugly NPC's are mostly taken from a very low angle while crouching looking up at them.
It's retarded.
The game is bad tho, no discussing that
BlackTron
Member
Could have sworn I saw comparison shots, without funny angles, but don't care enough to look them up or talk about Starfield for very long, lol
cripterion
Member
Everyone is just feeding off the footage Nvidia released. Maybe they have longer demos behind closed doors, I'd sure like to see more footage.
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CliffBronger
Member
As long as you can turn it off it doesn't bother me at all.
MMaRsu
Member
Until other games that dont use DLSS5 get compared to games that do, and are labeled shit because it's not hyper realistic like all the AI bro's want all games to be
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
I'm old. Don't even like using chatGPT. But maybe the kiddos like these filters?
Hyet
Member
Nobody asked for regular DLSS and now it's the magic sauce everyone is chasing after. Innovation tends to be like that.
Don't think so, consoles won't have it and most people will play on those, powered by AMD chips. If anything it will become a high end PC feature for a while until it trickles down to mid range and consoles long down the line.
Who cares? It's a feature you can literally turn off.
MMaRsu
Member
MMaRsu
Member
It's wasted manhours on this bullshit. It's wasted tech. It's wasted processing power to bring you AI slop to videogames.
Nobody wants this.
Who cares? Clearly everybody cares considering the outcry and negative response to this 'feature'.
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BlackTron
Member
I have a feeling this tech will be a crutch with some games requiring it. Where the "finished product" as intended by the devs was devised with DLSS5, and you're not really supposed to see what they fed the algorithm to create it.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Ohh.
THen not much to go by.
I was impressed by the Starfield footage, but otherwise Im more concerned with other types of graphical looks.
Hyet
Member
MMaRsu
Member
Oh you mean I'm emotionally invested in the future of where my favorite hobby is going? On an enthusiast forum? Wow say it aint so!!!
There are a lot of blind and tasteless idiots out there, no doubt about it.
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This being the future has been obvious for nearly a decade (and I've been saying as much for that long). And no it will not stop at games - or any media for that matter.
Expect all the pixels on every device you use to be AI customized to your 'ideal' user preference eventually.
I also absolutely don't like it or the results it produces (not the future vision, not the current announcement) - but that's immaterial in the grander scheme of things.
So option 2.
Expect all the pixels on every device you use to be AI customized to your 'ideal' user preference eventually.
I also absolutely don't like it or the results it produces (not the future vision, not the current announcement) - but that's immaterial in the grander scheme of things.
So option 2.
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Portugeezer
Member
It's probably the future. I think it changes more than just lighting, which is a problem, but it will obviously improve.
spartan30gr
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cripterion
Member
Why the full blown meltdown? Take a breather man.
Art director never hets his ok when graphics pipeline is made. They just work with what they have and you guys claim something looks amazing because some art director not because of group of math head engineers working tirelesly to make rendering be as close to reality as possible using all tricks in the math/physics.
Like if you take all "artists" there are aside maybe for those who make stylized art and make them choose between path traced lighting and restirized lighting they all will take path traced lighting.
That should tell you everything you need to know about "art" in art.
iseedeadpeople
Member
Would love to replay it this way, while also being high.
MMaRsu
Member
Full blown meltdown? I am just stating my opinion.
I think people who are for this are indeed idiots.
Hyet
Member
You really have zero chill lmao
Sadly this statement is incompatible with your previous position, u gotta choose one.
AI derangement syndorme is too fucking real, these people crack me up
kpopSuperstar
Member
Considering it's just gonna be a toggle, I don't see the problem. The only big issue I have is the demand for super rigs, increasing the need for expensive parts.
MMaRsu
Member
You really have zero chill lmao
Sadly this statement is incompatible with your previous position, u gotta choose one.
AI derangement syndorme is too fucking real, these people crack me up
AI dicksuck syndrome is even worse, as evidenced by AI techbro's on Twitter and here.
I have no specific hate against AI but this does not belong in videogames (nor in videos or pantings imo).
AI is not art.
Hyet
Member
OK, turn it off then
Nobody is forcing anyone to use this. If you want to expericence games as rendered exclusively by you hardware you will be able to do that. It's a setting you can turn up or down.
MMaRsu
Member
OK, turn it off then
It all impacts everything.
Other games that do not support DLSS5 will be judged for being ugly.
Until every game looks like the same 'hyperrealism' slop look that it already has.
What a terrifying future! My games look incredible but the developers didn't have to suffer! End of days.
Radical_3d
Member
From 44% to 40%. That's my continent!
MMaRsu
Member
Being facetious isn't really doing your case a favor
Not surprising Americans seem to like this.
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IlGialloMondadori
Member
Hyet
Member
Why?
Also: why do you care if you are playing a game other people consider ugly for a reason you don't agree with? It's all extremely stupid dude
This tech only runs on a small portion of PC graphics cards. The asteroid is not gonna hit like you think xd
Denton
Member
Most games are not art either.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
What you guys don't realize is all of this is speeding towards 1 outcome.
Everything is Roblox. All games will just be a " make your own game" that's as shallow and worthless as viral YouTubers. It will pull the rug out from under most small to mid size devs and devalue main stream gaming.
Which is actually okay with me as that will give rise a resurgence of smaller quality hand made games.
Though I may be dead by then lol
Everything is Roblox. All games will just be a " make your own game" that's as shallow and worthless as viral YouTubers. It will pull the rug out from under most small to mid size devs and devalue main stream gaming.
Which is actually okay with me as that will give rise a resurgence of smaller quality hand made games.
Though I may be dead by then lol
cripterion
Member
The company that's behind your avatar is A-OK with it so just take it like a champ.
Ray reconstruction : Enhances image quality by using AI to generate additional pixels for intensive ray-traced scenes.
Don't see people bitching about it. It's already here, it's used as a tool, get over it.
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Radical_3d
Member
I'm not giving my opinion since this matter is very ban friendly. But I can give my opinion about EU:
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
Most people have no taste. It's just sad, man.
Madflavor
Member
Far as I'm aware Gaf is an outlier on this and those poll results do not reflect the overall reception towards this.
Most people know that Generative AI that produces the same looking uncanny valley faces will never beat characters that are handcrafted by the imagination and talent of a human being. Gaf will point toward Concord, but there's a metric fuck ton of games with wonderful character design and models that have been made and still get made to this day.
Try not to get too upset by this. We will always have devs that will reject this stupid bullshit, and among those devs will be ones that produce GOTY level bangers.