HRK69
Member
You should see his Twitter replies. He is unhinged lmfaoYou really have zero chill lmao
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Hyet
Member
Post other poll then
There is always an artistical design behind from I knew. Not necessarily means pure art.
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Hyet
Member
Could you show a example of DLSS5 altering the artistic vision of a showcased game?
Diddy X
Member
Yes, and realistically it's the best way to push visual quality at this point. Graphics have been stagnant for about a decade, and studios aren't suddenly going to start producing Naughty Dog–level projects. This looks very promising, the videos already show great results, and the tech is only going to get better with time.
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Thebonehead
Gold Member
It's hilarious.
People on here loved to count the microscopic wrinkles on Norman Reedus's weathered brow, and the visual fidelity on Senua in Hellblade 2 calling them technical masterclasses.
NVIDIA uses AI to bridge that final gap between video game character and actual human being, and suddenly everyone holds a PhD in Cognitive Psychology specialising in Uncanny Valley.
Every single one of those demos has led me in favour of DLSS5.
People on here loved to count the microscopic wrinkles on Norman Reedus's weathered brow, and the visual fidelity on Senua in Hellblade 2 calling them technical masterclasses.
NVIDIA uses AI to bridge that final gap between video game character and actual human being, and suddenly everyone holds a PhD in Cognitive Psychology specialising in Uncanny Valley.
Every single one of those demos has led me in favour of DLSS5.
forsakkenSoul
Gold Member
Yeah, sure, but maybe there will be more optimized presets for lower-end GPUs. The demo was also running at 4K, so for someone playing at 1440p with a lower quality preset it might actually be doable. But we'll only really know once DLSS 5 actually releases.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
If you can't see it from the posted examples, then nothing I post will change your mind. You either like it or you don't.
Toots
Member
Hyet
Member
I'm open minded. Surely you could post any example you se fit and easily point it since it's so sobvious?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Have a few shrooms and you won't even need an NVIDIA GPU for that sweet DLSS 5.
Doctor Hades
Member
I really do not get all the negativity surrounding the inappropriately named DLSS5 personally.
As an optional mod that I can enable for a game, I think it looks great personally and it is not like it is going to replace the original game assets. The games still need to be made to look good on consoles and AMD graphics cards as well as low-end NVIDIA GPUs. Starfield is a game with very dated character models and lighting and I think DLSS5 does enhance the game somewhat. It doesn't make this lacklustre game better but at least it is easier on the eyes!
I think NVIDIA need to seriously reconsider calling this DLSS5 though as it is misleading. DLSS stands for Deep Learning Super Sampling but this new 'DLSS5' is doing far more than upscaling and making the original image look high resolution than native. It is basically an effects filter and should be called something else so it is a separate option for standard DLSS, allowing the user to choose one or both.
As an optional mod that I can enable for a game, I think it looks great personally and it is not like it is going to replace the original game assets. The games still need to be made to look good on consoles and AMD graphics cards as well as low-end NVIDIA GPUs. Starfield is a game with very dated character models and lighting and I think DLSS5 does enhance the game somewhat. It doesn't make this lacklustre game better but at least it is easier on the eyes!
I think NVIDIA need to seriously reconsider calling this DLSS5 though as it is misleading. DLSS stands for Deep Learning Super Sampling but this new 'DLSS5' is doing far more than upscaling and making the original image look high resolution than native. It is basically an effects filter and should be called something else so it is a separate option for standard DLSS, allowing the user to choose one or both.
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poodaddy
Member
This is off subject but.....holy fuck is Norman Reedus a disgusting human. I mean he is fucking ugly, why do women think he's cute? Is it the beady eyed, kind of inbred look? Is that hot?It's hilarious.
People on here loved to count the microscopic wrinkles on Norman Reedus's weathered brow, and the visual fidelity on Senua in Hellblade 2 calling them technical masterclasses.
NVIDIA uses AI to bridge that final gap between video game character and actual human being, and suddenly everyone holds a PhD in Cognitive Psychology specialising in Uncanny Valley.
Every single one of those demos has led me in favour of DLSS5.
*Ahem* .....now, let us return to the matter at hand.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Just a quick post to
analog_future
Next time you want to complain, just shut your mouth. You didn't quote me because you knew you had nothing to say and are probably just butthurt I put you back at your place in another thread.
I asked for you input and the MINIMUM of respect would've been to answer.
Fuckin grown man acting like a kid.
analog_future
Next time you want to complain, just shut your mouth. You didn't quote me because you knew you had nothing to say and are probably just butthurt I put you back at your place in another thread.
"Editorialize the vote"? How about telling how to improve instead of hiding into the replies. I hate people like you who gives lesson while acting like morrons.
I asked for you input and the MINIMUM of respect would've been to answer.
Fuckin grown man acting like a kid.
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
I keep looking at what they've showed and....it just looks better. I just think this is going to be like when HD first came around and people said they didn't need it/didn't notice it....but then try going back to SD.
Also the complaints that games with a cartoon/non-photorealistic art style going to be distorted is a red herring imo. This is obviously geared for AAA games aiming for photorealism to begin with.
Also the complaints that games with a cartoon/non-photorealistic art style going to be distorted is a red herring imo. This is obviously geared for AAA games aiming for photorealism to begin with.
Sentenza
Member
I'll say just this: if an effect HALF as convicing was achieved more traditionally through some mod like Reshade or similar shit, a lot of the same people who are having a meltdown over this would be glazing the modder to no end.
It was barely two weeks ago that I watched people losing their shit over this STALKER 2 mod collection, for instance:
It was barely two weeks ago that I watched people losing their shit over this STALKER 2 mod collection, for instance:
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Just a quick post to
Next time you want to complain, just shut your mouth. You didn't quote me because you knew you had nothing to say and are probably just butthurt I put you back at your place in another thread.
"Editorialize the vote"? How about telling how to improve instead of hiding into the replies. I hate people like you who gives lesson while acting like morrons.
I asked for you input and the MINIMUM of respect would've been to answer.
Fuckin grown man acting like a kid.
Dude you asked at like 9pm last night, again at 10pm, and now this morning at 8am. Maybe chill the fuck out a bit? Believe it or not, fixing your poll options for you is not particularly high on my priority list. I'm getting to it when I'm getting to it.
With that said, first of all, your thread title reads "DLSS 5 - Yes or No?" whereas your actual poll reads "Do you think DLSS 5 is the future?"
These are two completely different questions. When I read "DLSS 5 - Yes or No?" I immediately think the question is "Is DLSS 5 something I'm interested in? Yes or No". Yet the poll itself is asking a completely different thing, which is basically "Do you think DLSS 5 is going to be adopted and used in the mainstream at some point?"
Next, your poll options are too opinionated and specific. Just leave it yes, no, or other, and ask people to comment in the thread as to the "why". None of your poll options provide wiggle room and are too specific to fit my (and many others) actual opinion. Even the poll question itself, "Is DLSS 5 the future?"... Like what does that even mean? What is "THE FUTURE"? Does that mean every game from top to bottom will use it? Does that mean everyone will love it? Does that mean there will be a "before DLSS 5 era" and "after DLSS 5 era?" because its so impactful that it ushers in a new level of gaming? Or does that just mean it will have a small place as an option in some games for people who can afford high end hardware?
There's way too much specificity, and yes, editorializing in your poll options for it to serve any purpose to me.
EDIT - Oh and please remind me where you "put me in my place". the fuck are you even talking about
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GreenAlien
Member
I dont like it yet. At first I thought at least the environments will look better, but it just destroys shadows.
However, future games will be made with DLSS5 in mind, so they will look better with it turned on due shortcuts and also the tech isn't finished.. It's not so much a tech for enhancement of current games and instead one that should speed up development and deliver better graphics..
However, future games will be made with DLSS5 in mind, so they will look better with it turned on due shortcuts and also the tech isn't finished.. It's not so much a tech for enhancement of current games and instead one that should speed up development and deliver better graphics..
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
They should've just called it something else and said it will be a few years before this is ready for prime time and we are still working on improving DLSS super resolution. By tangling all this together they have created a cluster fuck.
But people also hated DLSS1 because it looked like shit and seemed dumb. "Nothing will ever replace pure raster." Now it is incredibly good. This will also improve obviously. It was just a dumb way to reveal it.
Also, this is going to take an enormous amount of VRAM to accomplish, and VRAM is incredibly expensive because of Nvidia's other endeavors. So Idk how they will sort that out.
But people also hated DLSS1 because it looked like shit and seemed dumb. "Nothing will ever replace pure raster." Now it is incredibly good. This will also improve obviously. It was just a dumb way to reveal it.
Also, this is going to take an enormous amount of VRAM to accomplish, and VRAM is incredibly expensive because of Nvidia's other endeavors. So Idk how they will sort that out.
OLED_Gamer
Member
It'll work out. Devs will tailor it to their art direction. Nvidia fumbled this announcement big time though.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Took you over 12 hours and three separate posts to finally drop your essay on why my poll "sucks" but your first contribution was just "These poll options suck and I'm not going to vote. Stop trying to editorialize."
Zero suggestions, zero explanation just drive by whining. Then when I ask for input you play the "chill the fuck out, I'm getting to it when I want" card like your time is sacred and mine isn't. Fixing my poll clearly wasn't high on your list... until you decided to lecture me on it.
On the substance, yeah the title "DLSS 5 - Yes or No?" was kept simple on purpose because the tech just dropped and is already blowing minds or triggering uncanny valley freakouts. The poll question went deeper ("is it THE future?") to capture whether people see this as mainstream domination or just another high-end toggle.
Options were opinionated because the backlash is already nuclear.
Next time, though, if you're gonna come in hot calling something trash at least drop the critique in the same breath instead of sulking in replies then acting like I'm the impatient one for following up the next morning. NeoGAF isn't your personal delayed-response support ticket.
Anyway I'm done with troll like you.
Oh come on now...
Madflavor
Member
Post other poll then
You're asking for something that doesn't exist because there's no credible and large scale poll out there. But the community reaction to this has been largely negative:
The youtube comments in the NVIDA video have been largely negative. I won't post the link to Era, but they're largely disgusted by it as well.
Wolzard
Member
Other people have opinions too. You call them idiots, and I call you an idiot. That's how things work. Don't force your opinion on others.
Didn't like DLSS5?
DO NOT USE
DO NOT BUY
IGNORE COMPLETELY
There will be games that won't be used. There will still be 40 years of gaming history for you to play.
MMaRsu
Member
And thats fine. We can agree to disagree.
Fbh
Member
I'm mixed.
I think the tech itself is really cool and I can definitely see the potential. I do think stuff like this will be the future rather than just ever increasing raw processing power and insane budgets.
That said, I don't really like the current implementation. IMO it just gives everything that trademark AI slop look, characters in particular.
It's actually similar to AI image generation when it first showed up, it looked kinda mind blowing at first glance, but then the more you saw of it the more you noticed how everything has a similar AI look.
But this tech will continue evolving, I think many people are too focused on what it is right now vs what it could be in a few years. I'm reminded of that image comparing the older vs newer version of the google image generator.
DLSS5 as it is presented right now makes everything look like the image on the left, but it will continue to evolve and improve.
I think the tech itself is really cool and I can definitely see the potential. I do think stuff like this will be the future rather than just ever increasing raw processing power and insane budgets.
That said, I don't really like the current implementation. IMO it just gives everything that trademark AI slop look, characters in particular.
It's actually similar to AI image generation when it first showed up, it looked kinda mind blowing at first glance, but then the more you saw of it the more you noticed how everything has a similar AI look.
But this tech will continue evolving, I think many people are too focused on what it is right now vs what it could be in a few years. I'm reminded of that image comparing the older vs newer version of the google image generator.
DLSS5 as it is presented right now makes everything look like the image on the left, but it will continue to evolve and improve.
cripterion
Member
This game has planned support for it :
Let's hope they release more footage of the tech soon.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Yeah, it's still pretty easy to spot AI images, most often the girl looks too perfect. But the ones like the one on the left will become impossible for me to notice any difference. The final treshold.I'm mixed.
I think the tech itself is really cool and I can definitely see the potential. I do think stuff like this will be the future rather than just ever increasing raw processing power and insane budgets.
That said, I don't really like the current implementation. IMO it just gives everything that trademark AI slop look, characters in particular.
It's actually similar to AI image generation when it first showed up, it looked kinda mind blowing at first glance, but then the more you saw of it the more you noticed how everything has a similar AI look.
But this tech will continue evolving, I think many people are too focused on what it is right now vs what it could be in a few years. I'm reminded of that image comparing the older vs newer version of the google image generator.
DLSS5 as it is presented right now makes everything look like the image on the left, but it will continue to evolve and improve.
Voices are still also pretty easy do discern, but that's just a matter of time too. I don't know what to make of this new world. I wonder if this will lead to a decline in internet usage as people will think everything is fake anyway. Hopefully it leads to an irl renaissance.
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Hudo
Member
Even if it were an actual useful feature, the implementation of it, at least according to Digital Foundry, is fucking ridiculous. Requiring two 5090s (or two top-of-the-line GPUs in general) is not an innovation whatsoever. I think there needs to be a differentiation between actual useful innovation and enshittifaction marketed as innovation, which "DLSS 5" seems to fall into. Nvidia have done a lot of the latter in recent years, just so that they can have "features" to sell products and raise the pricing on. On the consumer side, the last real "innovation" was DLSS itself (the actual work they did was curating the dataset and then keeping it proprietary, the method itself wasn't developed by Nvidia). And now DLSS has become a brand.
Are they more innovative on average than the competition? Yes. But that's like saying I am faster than the other guy because the other guy doesn't move at all. The whole market is shit and has been for years.
SpearHea.:D
Member
Haters can hate, its a new tech which brings cgi level gfx. Tech will always win and same ppl will use it. Its the future.
diffusionx
Gold Member
This stuff looks like grok image generator. It's obscene
hinch7
Member
Nvidia said this a demo and DLSS 5 will run on a single GPU, and most likely a 5090 at 4K. This will no doubt be make to work on something like the 5080 at lower res with VRAM being the cap. Plus 2nm TMSC is going to give 20-30% power reduction vs 3 and Blackwell is TSMC 4NP.
I'm sure the 6000 series and beyond are going to be massively and more performant in not only compute but also increase in tensor performance. Never mind what comes after. If we look at leaked PS6 and Xbox Helix specs we've already got the VRAM sorted. In a couple generations, its not far fetched that we could see this trickle down to consoles. Just by an educated guess..
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Mortisfacio
Member
It's cool tech. Not a fan of the generic AI filter right now, but long term and if it can be altered to maintain artistic intent, then cool. The lighting seems so much worse with it too. That will be improved in future iterations.
So I'm a "Yes, I don't like it at this point in time, but with progress I'll likely be fully on board"
So I'm a "Yes, I don't like it at this point in time, but with progress I'll likely be fully on board"
Hyet
Member
Comments have been largely negative because negative feelings motivate people much more than positive feelings. But thats not how the world at large feels, a proven by this thread. All comments are people revolting against it yet the poll says what it says.
The_Observer
Member
I think it's insane in a good way. I never thought I would consider going back to pc from consoles, but I would, if it weren't for the insane price I would have to pay for it.
daninthemix
Member
The bottom option is the blatantly anti AI stance that seemingly has nothing to do with DLSS5. Options two and three are specifically anti-DLSS5, adding up to 30% of the vote. 40% of voters are in favor of DLSS5.
T4keD0wN
Member
24k likes vs 56k dislikes
100% of youtube users has access to likes, less than 100% has access to dislikes
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crackajack
Member
My first thought too. Impressive back then and still today.
It's still not perfect, but AI is evolving insanely fast and renderers probably can chill in the future while AI will build the output from a rough wireframe like sketch and some consistency photos/color palettes on how this and that object should look like. I guess that reduces processing work a lot, when reflections and lighting can be done solely via AI too, and not require any actually computed rays or paths.
It depends on well it handles feet rendering.
Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
This seems to basically be generative AI, though. Just like you can't expect to get the same results from ChatGPT and Grok with the same prompt, this kind of tech will not generate the same results across Nvidia/AMD/proprietary platform implementations, making it very difficult for devs to support multiple technologies.
Hyet
Member
100% of disgruntled folks watching the video leave a dislike and/or an angry comment.
24k likes vs 56k dislikes
100% of youtube users has access to likes, less than 100% has access to dislikes
Not all people who is ok or open with this tech will go and leave any kind of feedback.
So, yeah, negativity remains overrepresented.
Baemono
Member
Better than DLSS 5, Internet people