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DmC |OT| No, F*ck You!
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BadAss2961
Member
"What you fail to realize is that as the Shakespearean ringleader of Ninja Theory, I'm the only genius in the whole fucking business. Therefore, my Dante is now the only Dante is existence and all the reviewers saying "10/10 GOTY" are the absolute monarchs of my words, of which you will become one soon when we send you a paycheck courtesy of Capcom."
Might be trying a bit too hard, but I can always appreciate a good parody account.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
I know you're not dumb enough to not know how idiotic some people can be. Hint: Somebody is hijacking his name.
And you were being sarcastic right?
BadAss2961
Member
No, it seems totally legit.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
LoL best fake i've ever seen. Just run down that front page and count the "Shakespear"s ... too funny.
"We will only stop when we own Capcom."
Love it.
MagnetoWned
Member
Anyone know where I can see some nice DmC artwork?
I love this one:
http://i.minus.com/jbmdnuaJYdskJH.jpg
I love this one:
http://i.minus.com/jbmdnuaJYdskJH.jpg
Nemesis_
Member
Mmhmm. I understand why people have vitriol but I wish they would direct it appropriately.
IblisGinjo
Member
During the game, don't pause and Alt-Tab out to the desktop and then click back on DmC, the rumble should work then. It's weird and I don't know why it happened after the patch.
I keep wondering what he needs a 12 year old girl for.
That Dude John
Member
Man, it's pretty lulzy going through some of these cutscenes with DMC3 Dante. Dude clashes so hard with the environment, but I'm lovin' the novelty.
All the concept arts are in the game. You unlock them as you play the game.
Phoenixazure
Member
I'm hoping to see a thematic shift in the Vergil dlc. Have they said how long it would be. If its just one mission or spread across several. Would also be nice if he had his own Bloody Palace (or someone figures out a way to hack Virgil + his enemies into vanilla DmC)
Lol haven't hit that part yet. Might have to take back what I said.
It should be decent length, the PR on it says that it will take several hours to beat.
He may have a bigger dick but his balls are tiny.
IC_Champion
Member
Continue to defend your bosses, and get a cut of NT's marketing dollars.
Even if its half that its a nice chunk of dlc. Hope you can use him in bloody palace.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Oh, I like you enough to want to save your life occasionally. Welp, I'm gonna have to wipe both our memories then. Can't risk getting more power and becoming a demon
wat.
it sound like Capcom kicked them out. no more DmCs I think.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I'm not an expert on Videogame fiction but I have to draw parallel between Vergil and Death of DS2. The DS2 novel shows how much of an absoulte harass Death is, so bad that you get the impression he doesn't even need the other horsemen.
The in-game death is far more tamer.
then we have vergil. I stand by what I said before. The characterization of vergil is the single worst thing about this reboot. Worse than 30fps, worse than limited combat, worse than the revisionist attitude toward the OG series.
what they did to was probably the second most important character in the series overall and the most important character in terms of lore and plot is a fucking. Damn. Shame.
Check the date.
day before release day.
The in-game death is far more tamer.
then we have vergil. I stand by what I said before. The characterization of vergil is the single worst thing about this reboot. Worse than 30fps, worse than limited combat, worse than the revisionist attitude toward the OG series.
what they did to was probably the second most important character in the series overall and the most important character in terms of lore and plot is a fucking. Damn. Shame.
Check the date.
day before release day.
The Darksiders fiction/lore generally shits on DMCs lore (both universes). Death is 100x the bad ass, smart leader type character that Vergil tries too be. He carries the souls of an entire race next to his heart and is the god damn leader of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
Too bad Vergil has a bigger dick. Come at me, playboy.
Really? I enjoyed playing ds2 despite a lot of problems I had, but Death being everyone's errend boy and being conflicted over a moral dilemma that made little sense didn't didn't exactly scream awesome to me.
That's a problem with game design not the lore or the character.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
You get hints of Deaths personality in his quips that in isolation are pretty fucked up.
It's just poor game design and a even poorer ending that makes Big bad death nothing more than a errand boy.
He is x100 the nephilim that vergil is.
Character and game design are intertwined. It's the tone, the context, the character reactions all help define the character. DS and DmC have a similar mission structure (in that there is a guy who gives you a mission and you go do it), but in one case the mission giver is the one that comes off as the weaker person and in the other is the mission doer. Death clearly doesn't want to do any of this bullshit, and the people who give him the missions, even the ones weaker than him, are more or less unafraid of him and the tasks they give him are usually errands that they need done, but are clearly not dependant on Death to do them. By contrast, DmC has Dante, the one who goes out on missions, be painted as the more stronger one because Vergil clearly needs Dante and the world would be doomed if Dante didn't bother himself to help him out.
Also, if you seperate such a line between game design and character, then a lot of Vergil's weakness is justified. He didn't actually need to be saved while in that car mission, that was just the mission design. He totally could have beaten Mundus, it was just the mission design that had him get captured.
As for Lore, I think that DS2 also hurt that quite a bit, but I forget if that was because of Death or something else.
I'm not sure what that means. Because Death says badass lines in his private time, he is badass? DLC Vergil won't have trouble winning you over then. Death has an awesome visual design and has a good voice actor and the game plays fun, but you can't make excuses for him like this.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I wasn't making excuses. I was just pointing out the the characterisation of Death In the related fiction added to the appeal of the character. Whereas the characterisation of Vergil take away from an already weak character.
The personality Death shows outside the Fetch quests iN DS2 are in line with the characterisation in the fiction, likewise the character shown in the Vergil fiction is in line with characterisation in the main game.
As its the only example of character fiction ive read in recent years, I found it interesting to compare them.
Its interesting, you should mention the moral dilemma actually, because when you read the fiction you understand a lot better why Death is so conflicted
Basically he is one of the very first Nephilim , way older than any of the others. They once travelled the realms fucking up any shit they could and they turned an entire race into weapons, just to cause as much destruction as possible. This was all Deaths idea and he made the first and most powerful versions of these weapons. One day when the Nephilim were about to take eden from both the demons and the angels, Death had a change of heart and asked the charred council for the power to stop his brothers. He was made the leader of the 4 horsemen and helped Kill every other one of his race.
He feels guilt for betraying his race, and wants to restore them, but he knows that if they were alive they would not stop till they destroyed heaven and hell
He feels guilt for betraying his race, and wants to restore them, but he knows that if they were alive they would not stop till they destroyed heaven and hell
There's a line you have to draw between game mechanics and actual character cutscenes/story. I don't judge Vergil riding around in his Vergil mobile but I judge when he uses a sniper rifle in a cutscene. Likewise I judge Dante from what he does in the cutscenes.. not that he can be killed by a lowly demon grunt despite being vastly stronger in strength.
Death has the same problem... this is a guy who has vanquished an entire race, defeated colossal entities yet has to take fetch quests like every other video game character just for the sake of making him go through the various dungeons.
In the case of DmC Vergil/Dante, we have the game and the one comic. No matter what you decide to use as representation of Vergil... he just comes off as a weak character. As a villain he's not threatening and he isn't compelling as an anti-hero either.
Death has the same problem... this is a guy who has vanquished an entire race, defeated colossal entities yet has to take fetch quests like every other video game character just for the sake of making him go through the various dungeons.
In the case of DmC Vergil/Dante, we have the game and the one comic. No matter what you decide to use as representation of Vergil... he just comes off as a weak character. As a villain he's not threatening and he isn't compelling as an anti-hero either.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Characters are defined by characterization. All I get here is that you like Death's personality more than Vergils, which is something I agree with, but it doesn't make him badass, atleast not how I define it.
Well, we draw different lines, as I take what happens in gameplay as part of characterization. One notable part for me was when the demons were invading the Order's Headquarters, and Vergil was sitting behind the wall while a butcher was trying to get through, and when dante attacked the butcher, he was like "WTF, are you crazy?" What they should have done here was come to Vergil having slain the butcher and then have him help Dante in defeating the oncoming demons, like he did in the original DMC in the Arkham fight. He'd have accomplished himself as a capable, given Dante a reason to consider him an equal, and gave the player a reason to like him. It wouldn't even have been difficult to program since they already have Vergil as a boss and they have him as a player character, so surely they could have programmed him to target demons.
Characterization through gameplay can easily be done, atleast in the case of Vergil.
I agree with this much atleast.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
See my edit, for a bit more further explanation.
funnily enough, that actually wouldn't be out of place coming out of OG Vergils mouth.
Spoilers:- This is a passage in the Darksiders 2 novel
Strife still held his helm in his left hand. In his right, he clutched a dreadful pistol, its quadruple barrels gaping wide, the hammer cocked back and almost quivering in readiness. War and Fury stood rigid, waiting to see if their interference was requiredand, perhaps, deciding which of the pair they would support. In the absence of the Council, I command! Strife parroted. Says who? A lots changed in the five centuries youve been away, Death! What makes you think you can just stroll back in after all this time and take over? Deaths hand slipped from the horn as he turned.
Leaving Harvester to lie across the saddle, he carefully, methodically, crossed the distance separating him from Strife. Each footstep seemed impossibly clear, despite the muffling of the crumbled dirt and the roaring of the distant fires. He halted scarcely an arms length from the four gleaming barrels, and when he spoke, his voice was preternaturally calm, almost flat. What makes you think, he asked his brother, that I cant? Strifes eyes and his pistol slowly turned downward, weighted down by the weight of Deaths scrutiny, aimed almost meekly at the earth.
Fury unleashed a hiss of breath, not so much in any recognizable emotion as it was the simple release of building pressure. War grunted something deep in his hood. Their elder brother had already turned away, presenting his back to themStrife includedwithout apparent concern. Did anyone else care to add anything? he asked as he returned to his horses side. Oddly enough, nobody did. Good. Death climbed atop Despair, then held himself still just long enough for Dust to settle upon his shoulder. Unless the Council assigns you otherwise, Ill expect to find you either here, or in your homes, if I need call on you.
Leaving Harvester to lie across the saddle, he carefully, methodically, crossed the distance separating him from Strife. Each footstep seemed impossibly clear, despite the muffling of the crumbled dirt and the roaring of the distant fires. He halted scarcely an arms length from the four gleaming barrels, and when he spoke, his voice was preternaturally calm, almost flat. What makes you think, he asked his brother, that I cant? Strifes eyes and his pistol slowly turned downward, weighted down by the weight of Deaths scrutiny, aimed almost meekly at the earth.
Fury unleashed a hiss of breath, not so much in any recognizable emotion as it was the simple release of building pressure. War grunted something deep in his hood. Their elder brother had already turned away, presenting his back to themStrife includedwithout apparent concern. Did anyone else care to add anything? he asked as he returned to his horses side. Oddly enough, nobody did. Good. Death climbed atop Despair, then held himself still just long enough for Dust to settle upon his shoulder. Unless the Council assigns you otherwise, Ill expect to find you either here, or in your homes, if I need call on you.
like I said. Badass.
That's why I call it nonsensical.
He randomly has a change of heart for no given reason (especially since he comes off as cold and callous to everyone and does not even trust the council that he serves), and is conflicted over reviving a race that will kill everyone he stands to defend as soon as they are back. Even if they somehow wouldn't do that, the first thing they would do once they are revived is tear Death apart, so he'd have to kill them all over again just out of self defense.
It's dumb.
But it's just a line. In my opinion, badassery has more to do with implementing your will in the face of difficult opposition for me. I'll grant that Death is probably still more badass than Nu Vergil because atleast he gets shit done and doesn't call up Strife/Fury or whatever to do things for him, but the fact that he clearly holds in contempt the tasks that he has to do and the people he has to do them for while still acquiescing to do them knocks him down a few pegs imo.
By which you mean "minus the vast majority of the game"
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Gotta say you have a point. The reason for his change of heart is never explained.
That said, there must be a deep guilt for killing his brethren which would still explain the amulet, even if he never had any intention of reviving them.
Personally, I imagined that the spirits were driving him insane, since Crowfather's enter personality changed once he lost it.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Well......
the crowfathers spirit was always part of him as he is mentally bonded to Dusk who in turn is mentally bonded to the crowfather
but yes I'd imagine that is probably a factor too.
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