Do we expect Twilight Princess HD will get any gameplay improvements? Speculation?
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Dangansona
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Yeah that would be it for me, and keeping the wolf insect part down to one occurrence. I just don't get the people who want to skip to the first dungeon. I love the intro and everything it sets up.
Why are people expecting them to fill the overworld with plenty of stuffs and whatnot?
I mean they have to do that with Zelda U already, fix the economy so that the ruppee armor is not the best use of ruppees out there.
I mean most of the stuffs you can pick in the overworld is chest with ruppees except that they have no purpose, that would already solve a major problem.
Really if they make the game hard enough to warrant use of potions and make the potions cost way more you'll have to check and get the treasure chests the game is already littered with.
I mean they have to do that with Zelda U already, fix the economy so that the ruppee armor is not the best use of ruppees out there.
I mean most of the stuffs you can pick in the overworld is chest with ruppees except that they have no purpose, that would already solve a major problem.
Really if they make the game hard enough to warrant use of potions and make the potions cost way more you'll have to check and get the treasure chests the game is already littered with.
Because filling it with more trees, vegetation,, or enemies wouldn't take much effort and they're likely already going to be tweaking the overworld to have no loading zones (see their old statements about when they were testing TP before they chose Wind Waker to remaster). And moving some heart pieces out of the dungeons and into the overworld (replacing the pointless ruppee chests that are there) to more evenly balance heart pieces in the overworld to the dungeons would do a lot to make Hyrule Field fun to explore and rewarding while accomplishing the same goal of filling Hyrule Field with stuff.
Yeah, depending on what they change and leave the same in TP HD, we will get a clear picture of what the Zelda team finally understood and what they still need to learn and will tell us what to expect in Zelda U.
Go. now. zelda 3. now. virtual console. now.
Or, consider the next best opening to a Zelda game, Majora's Mask. Fast paced, exciting. That's what I want to see in a Zelda intro, not some "everything is normal I'm just an everyday dude living in a small down" tutorial filled bullshit.
Twilight Princess is by far the worst offender, with Skyward Sword as a runner up. Wind Waker is pretty bad too. Ocarina of Time actually has a similar start (normal guy in small village), but leaves the tutorials completely optional. You can be inside the first dungeon in 5 minutes. Thanks to forced dialogue/cutscenes/tutorials in the later Zeldas, that's just not possible.
Am I living in an alternate universe? MM has a pretty plodding intro, where you're stuck in a debilitated form and have to do random little fetch quests. I get you thematically, but mechanically I'd say it's worse than OOT and started the trend towards longer openings.
It's far from the worst, but it's not great either. I do agree that we're aping on the "peaceful village" start too much lately. ALTTP has the best intro, but I think we'd all be in agreement on that one.
I'd definitely say TP has the worst intro. People may claim SS, but I think SS actually truncated it a bit and you can even skip a tutorial if you want. It's still arguably the second worst.
I don't think they really need to make that much change, adding trees and fences will not help making the overworld more interesting.
Adding vegetations and other small details I can see them doing.
Changing the whole cavern structure and putting heart containers out of dungeons into the wild I don't see them doing.
Just making the overworld harder to traverse with more aggressive and more difficult enemies would already fix the issue.
There's plenty of stuffs in the overworld already, they're just useless ruppees.
Make ruppees useful and you've done half of the job already.
It's less work too.
And no 3D Zelda have a decent opening that's for sure.
OoT went on forever, MM was even worse!
WW and TP went for even longer.
If anything SS is the most tolerable one.
I'd argue that ST has the best one of the post OoT Zelda.
then again looking at their other games, I don't think people at Nintendo know how to properly make an intro...
Maybe the people at Monolith or Retro?
Aaron Strife
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I hope they bait and switch us and it's actually Skyward Sword HD.
That isn't likely because as part of the same title ID list Skyward Sword was listed as a Wii digital title already along with a few others that aren't confirmed or released yet lol.
So no HD remaster plans for that one. What a shame, SS really deserved to be remastered. Sigh I wish that game had been saved for the wiiu launch instead of releasing on the Wii.
DrunkShogun
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If the game does exist I think we can expect minor changes but drastic changes are unlikely. They might shrink the prologue such as herding or fishing for the cat but I can't see much else other then updating visuals and gameplay mechanics.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Disgust.. maybe for another ZeldaMake it happen Nintendo
TwEE-N-Toast
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Is Mirror mode a hard thing to do? Personally that would go a long way to making the game feel fresh to me without changing much at all.
Mirrored from what? The Wii version is mirror mode so if you played that then this will be mirrored to you by default.
Beren the Empty-Handed
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This is factually untrue. Ocarina has you in the Deku Tree in 5 minutes if you want to be, while Majora has you in Clock Town in about 15.
Make it happen Nintendo
You want to skip the entire first dungeon (and Hyrule Castle as Wolf Link)?
TwEE-N-Toast
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Mirrored from whatever the start up default is, and the ability to switch between that default and it's flipped mirror counterpart is what I want. But if the default is the Gamecube's, not perfect but that will feel new to me.
Jonneh3003
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Incorperate gyro controls to have the best of both the Gamecube and Wii versions.
They should but they're not because they're re-releasing it as a Wii digital title as per the same recent big title ID list Twilight Princess HD was found in.
Jonneh3003
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You played Skyward Sword? I'm not sure it would work without motion controls.
No I didn't but why wouldn't it? I guess it would be too much of them having to change tons of stuff for Nintendo to bother.
Jonneh3003
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Many segments of the game are designed completely around motion, not in a tedious forced way either, it's easily the best motion heavy game out there. Puzzles use it, items use it, even combat uses it. It's literally the bread and butter of Skyward Sword.
Professor Beef
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One thing me and my friends wished for was a skateboarding game on the Wii or Gamecube, with one of the characters being Link on his spinner.
timetokill
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While I agree that Skyward Sword's version is much better (I LOVED those sections), the world of Twilight Princess isn't really built in the same way, as we both know. I think the intent of that quest is:
- Get players to explore the environment and become familiar with it
- More Wolf-Link gameplay and Midna use
- Something to do while showing the environments trapped in Twilight
- The world is stuck in twilight, and you need a way to resolve it through gameplay.
- Collecting stuff is generally addictive so they probably thought it'd be a good idea that was low-impact on development
I'd say the issue is sometimes not finding them and having to run all over, but the minimap has an overlay that shows their general location.
At any rate, the rewards should be inherent. By doing this you get to explore, solve puzzles, and advance the story/unlock the environment for use as human Link. If it's not rewarding for people then I'm not sure how to really solve it besides looking at the moment-to-moment gameplay of Wolf Link, which probably isn't going to be changed.
I can definitely see the reasons for getting people into the first dungeon faster -- I'm all about that, and it's one of the main reasons I like Ocarina's pacing so much.
I seem to recall more things to do in Twilight Princess' overworld than in, say, The Wind Waker's, but I think that Wind Waker's was clever in that:
- There's a joy in finding an island
- The islands are all small and clearly puzzle-designed
Twilight Princess on the other hand I felt had a lot more "hidden" items that forced you to take note of the environment. Wind Waker telegraphed it by saying, if there's an island, there's something there to get.
That's still more than enough to bore.
You're doing menial tasks of errand boys to start the game.
Compare that with the 1rst 3 Zelda.
Majora is especially egregious because of how fucking stupid it is to start as the scrappy toon to get your sword back.
Depends on how you look at it. The tutorial is just the part until entering the city. What you're playing afterwards is actually the first chapter. But boohoo, it's not the usual Zelda formula.
deltatheta
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I think Miyamoto already spilled the beans that Hyrule Field won't have corridor disguised loading times. He talked about doing all of TP's overworld in a single map when he was talking about Zelda U.
MM is a story about ill fate, so it is the perfect experience.
Rats Off To Ya
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I feel like the only person in the world who loves the intros to both Twilight Princess and Kingdom Hearts II. I love me some slow, laid-back world building. Tasty.
timetokill
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You know, I don't mind good world building either. My only issue with Twilight Princess is that you feel constantly teased about doing something. If they sent you into the first dungeon faster, and then had you go back into town (or even go back and forth!) it would've been more engaging, in my opinion. I think most people's frustration is that they know there's a dungeon to get to but it kind of plays coy with you about when you're gonna get there and do it.
Refreshment.01
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Looking at the video from the latest direct, it seems they choose not to use the more advanced lighting engine implemented in Wind Waker HD. So instead, maybe there's a chance the developers decided to increase the frame rate to 60 frames. While Twilight is a more demanding game than WW, i don't think the difference would be enough to prevent the Wii U from runing the game with better lighting, so i think it's just a matter of prioritizing other things.
levyjl1988
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I can't wait for Matthew Matosis's review on this one. Like the review he did on Windwaker HD Remake.
ZombiePlatypus
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I'd like an art style overhaul. The game looks so drab, and has ugly textures. It's hands down, the ugliest zelda.
I really liked this guys videos, wish he kept making them. Been awhile I think.
……forgetit
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Remove the sling shot, just cut that portion out of the game and take the spiders off the walls of the first dungeon.
SweetDonuts
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Nah, I liked the intro to Twilight Princess too, it's a big game, I don't need to start off with action straight away. A slow pace at the beginning with a nice lead up into the main storyline is fine with me and works for building up excitement.
I don't recall hating TP's opening when I played it the first time. I wasn't bothered by the fairy tears either. I don't think any of that is an issue for an initial play-through. OTOH, I never replayed TP so I didn't get to play those sections from the perspective of having already completed them.