Do YOU think Emulation is the same as Piracy ?
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PlayStaytion
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Nope, it's about self esteem and supporting what you love.
Mayar
Member
No, if it is used purely for youself and for saving games. I am a collector, and I collect games, and I use emulation. There are many reasons for this, it is not always possible to take physical copies with you, the price of some games (especially retro) is such that sometimes you think 10 times whether it is worth inserting it into the console at all, ect. The picture changes completely at the very moment when Emulation begins to be used for commercial gain and sales, and this is exactly the moment when the problem arises.
Senua
Member
Weirdo corp worshippers
Fabieter
Member
For some emulator you have to rip your own bios and games for it to be legal.
Some emulation do not need a bios but if they do you ain't allowed to download it.
GymWolf
Member
I guess i was talking about my perception of legality and not the actual law.
If i own the game i should be able to do the fuck i want with it even if not strictly legal, but laws are laws so i guess it is still techically illegal with some games.
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near
Gold Member
The thing is most people here aren't talking about emulation in its broad use. They're not thinking of the emulation M2 uses to port retro games or NSO or PS3's PS1 emulation capacity. They're specifically referring to publicly available purpose built emulation software, designed to mimic video game consoles.
Fan made emulation is supposedly designed for accessibility and preservation, but as many have discussed here, very few use it to dump their own games. Which is why emulation and piracy are synonymous for a lot of people.
Fabieter
Member
You are right but there are always products with restrictions.
Look up your restrictions if you buy into Buggati or Ferrari and those are really fucking expensive.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
if you have the personal capability to create your own backups of games you physically own, no.
kevboard
Member
realistically 90% of emulation is it being used to play the terribly emulated Nintendo Switch Online library.
more than 50ms of additional lag on GameCube games
absolutely insanely bad
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
I support emulation 100% and piracy about 90%. Small devs and independent studios deserve support, and the rest is fair game in my book. I don't pirate myself, but I wouldn't judge anyone who does.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, technically not legal for some of the things I do with emulation even though I have a physical copy of every game I own and rip them to iso files. I'm still skirting around the DRM. But let's be real. As far as breaking laws go, prosecutors are not going to give a shit about what I'm doing. They have bigger fish to fry and I, personally, have no qualms about it because I know no billion dollar corporation was harmed in the process.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Emulation using the OS of the system is piracy. That's why emulators don't come with the bios for systems with an os.
Consoles up to like the pcengine cd and sega cd did not have a hardware level os.
But yes using any emulator you use that needs a bios that you don't currently own a console of ... is piracy.
So those of you without a switch .. using a switch emulator even if you " own " the game are still pirating.
Consoles up to like the pcengine cd and sega cd did not have a hardware level os.
But yes using any emulator you use that needs a bios that you don't currently own a console of ... is piracy.
So those of you without a switch .. using a switch emulator even if you " own " the game are still pirating.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
No. No. And no.
Plies
GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
Topher
Identifies as young
US copyright laws were corrupted so it's death of the creator + 70 years. There's a list of things entering the public domain every Jan 1st. The last one had titles from the early 1930s.
The point of copyright was to allow a creator to profile from there were to incentive the creation of new art. But the art then goes into public domain and can be used by others to create new art. It used to only be 20-30 years. But was corrupted by companies (mainly Disney). So yes downloading a game that's 40 years old is still piracy. But other than the poor corporations, only corporate boot lickers will cry that it's so illegal and you shouldn't do it. Of course you should be buying things that are still available and sold as new in standard retail spaces. But don't feel bad about not buying a copy of an out of print game from 20 years ago that someone want's $300 for.
EDIT:
Sole Creator is lifetime + 70 years
Work for Hire for a company is 120 years from creation or 95 years from publication. Whatever comes first.
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Gambit2483
Member
Which a very large majority of them don't.
Such hypocrites. They bash Nintendo left and right but cry like babies when they lose their FREE (illegal) access to their great games. You'd think if they hated Nintendo so much they wouldn't even bother or care to play their games...make it make sense
lifa-cobex
Member
I can almost see the rift and diffrance of opinion by the age gaps of posters.
This wouldn't even be a question 15+ years ago.
It's the companies actual policies around the system and company that folk have issues with.
And rightfully so.
This wouldn't even be a question 15+ years ago.
Nothing wrong with the game Nintendo set out.
It's the companies actual policies around the system and company that folk have issues with.
And rightfully so.
Gambit2483
Member
I don't play policies. Unless a company is supporting slave labor or something ridiculously immoral/illegal that has no bearing on how fun or enjoyable I find their products.
People need to learn how to separate a company enacting policies to protect their profits/IP with their ability to enjoy and/or support said products. Sony has Policies I don't like but that's not going to stop me from buying a 1st party game I like/enjoy. Same with MS.
"Nintendo won't let me easily steal their game(s)! I vow to Never support Nintendo and will instead steal their game(s)!"
What kind of ass backwards logic is this?
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Team Skoda
Member
Definitely not. It's only bad when you try and sell it like you owned it.
Naz93
Neo Member
I'm ignoring ignore how any Tom, Dick and Harry can take a knife and use it to do harm because it's a weak argument that you keep bringing up to strawman me. I can run someone over with my car doesn't mean they should ban cars; but there are laws in place to stop me from driving irresponsibly. I get it—legal tools can be misused. That's not in dispute. Your knife analogy is fucking dumb because those tools are covered by laws and restrictions that deter misuse. You keep dodging that fact, which makes me question your reading comprehension. Should emulators be treated like those aforementioned tools. Are emulator creators forced to put in checks to verify ownership or block unlicensed ROMs? No, and I understand this will complicate preservation and its unenforceable.
I've never said emulators should be banned. They have legitimate uses, I've used them and even written one. But let's be real most people running brand-new games on emulators didn't dump their own ROMs; they're pirating. Claiming there's "no legal basis" is weak, because copyright laws evolve and can tighten at any time.
"Nintendo brain rot", you're a fucking moron.
TheMan
Member
Not exactly. Technically you could dump your own games but let's be real, nobody does that. People download roms which is technically piracy but for old consoles who gives a fuck. For most old games there's no way to buy those games in a way that reimburses the creator, you're just buying off some asshole who wants you to pay 100 dollars for Primal Rage on Sega Saturn (real example). Fuck that, download away.
Durin
Member
realistically 90% of emulation is it being used to play the terribly emulated Nintendo Switch Online library.
more than 50ms of additional lag on GameCube games
It is pathetic how bad Nintendo's own emulation tools are, how little effort they put into the individual games, and how you can ONLY get them via a constant sub than providing an ala carte option. Just gives them the latitude to drop games when they feel like it, and hold games back to drip-feed them on the service to prop the sub value up.
They'll never stop piracy outright...but they'd sure mitigate some of it if their "official" versions weren't worse. Sony at least does a bit better, but even their PS2 emulation is weaker than PCSX2.
Your whole argument is based on "you're f*cking dumb " or "you're a moron ", lol. You're truly a special kinda dumbass. Not surprised, Nintendo fanboys tend to be very dense. I tried to explain to you in a decent manner, but you're too much of a shill to have a functioning brain.
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kevboard
Member
yup, better emulation and a business model that doesn't suck would go a long way.
if I could buy a 1440p 60fps wide-screen version of Mario Sunshine on Switch 2 I would... but I can't...
guess where I can get that tho? on my PC...
Durin
Member
I'd also like if they could replicate what PC emulators have done on Gamecube, Wii & 3DS games where you have HD texture packs. Many of which just use AI upscaling to keep the same art style, but everything looks clearer/less jagged (not great for pixel-art stuff though).
Gabe is pretty much always right.
You have Capcom and Konami putting out collections of their old games on modern systems and PCs and people are buying them.
You have Digital Eclipse releasing collections which are including all versions of a game along with artwork, documentaries, etc and truly celebrating those games and their place in history. And people buy them.
On the other hand you have Nintendo. Previously they sold ROMs ala carte with virtual console. Now they are only available by subscribing to a service and disappear after you stop paying. They created Super Mario 3D All-Stars and then stopped selling it after a year. No not just selling through of physical copies and not printing more. Pull from sale digitally as well for games they fully own and have no licensing issues with.
And guess which company is on a warpath getting even NES ROMs taken offline?
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Lokaum D+
Member
But, since Sony and MS games are on PC they can be pirated anyway, there is no need for emulation anymore and yet we dont see them crying about It.
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kevboard
Member
Sony funnily did that when they released the "remasters" of Patapon, which were in fact just PSP Emulations with an HD texture pack
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Donkusei
Member
No, because obvisouly even Nintendo can make emulators. The emulation tech does not mean that the final usage is for piracy.
BUT of course, we all know why people are using it on PC, we all know that 98% of the time people will just not buy the games. So, in this case, we can talk about it like piracy.
BUT of course, we all know why people are using it on PC, we all know that 98% of the time people will just not buy the games. So, in this case, we can talk about it like piracy.
lifa-cobex
Member
If you want to go down that road. Then i'll ask where are the meterials sourced from in order to make your console in the same element Apple has been criticised for.
But obviously thats a disingenuous thing to say as that's obviously not what I or anybody else is talking about.
I'm refering to policies such as a price increase that will more than likely effect the future of other games and consoles.
Policies such as putting a patent on capturing monsters or creatures with items. Thus limiting other game devs.
Policies like being able to brick your console if they decide any wrong doing. Innocent or not. Essentially cementing the fact that you do not own your device.
Yes Sony and MS also have policies that I do not like.
In Sony's case in regards to Helldivers 2. It occurred a massive backlash that unfortunatly effected the devs on their behalf.
However that would be an example of consumers not rolling over to show belly.
However Somthing to maul over for those who belive it is piracy.
Piracy has been going on for over 25+ years I would guess. It has always been prominent since the internet was largly accessible. Even before that in small circals.
In all that time. How is it that gaming has gone from strength to strength to the point of being one if not thee more lucartive and sucsessful money making markets?
The gaming industry is now larger than music, movies and even sports.
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lame gag1990
Member
Two totally different things. And God bless both.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Nothing I said was an opinion. Just facts
whether or not you agree with those facts don't make it less true.Emulating Switch games that are easily purchasable on hardware readily available? Yup that's piracy (unless you are buying and keeping a copy of the game to justify it).
Emulating old systems with shops that are shut down and no official way to buy the game? Not piracy in my kind.
Emulating old systems with shops that are shut down and no official way to buy the game? Not piracy in my kind.
Topher
Identifies as young
Nothing I said was an opinion. Just facts
Applying the label of piracy isn't a fact. That's your opinion. As I said previously, people, such as yourself, are applying "piracy" far too broadly.
Gambit2483
Member
I'm going to ignore the first thing you said because it's stupid as hell n you know it
As for price increases, yes thats every product distributors right to price their goods as they see fit. If you have a problem with an $80 game? simply don't buy it. It's called the free market. Nobody batted an eye when Apple started charging $1000 for a fucking phone.
EVERY Console manufacturer (YES, including Sony and MS) has a policy to Brick your console if you start doing illegal Shit...Next!
As far as Piracy goes, I don't give a shit How long its been going on, PIRACY IS ILLEGAL. MS nor SONY plays that shit. ALL Platform holders will fuck your shit up if they detect Piracy. This is NOT just a "Nintendo thing"
To the THIEVES that would rather STEAL than pay money like the rest of us, and get caught/banned/whatever. ...Cry me a fucking River!
Gaming is bigger than sports/movies/music/etc so theft and crime is "A-Ok"? Fuck Off
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
You can emulate hardware all you want but once you throw the os for that device on that emulator it is in fact illegal pirated software you are using UNLESS you actually own the original device.
That is not an opinion.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Hmm, ok. I think I'm following your point. I don't know that it is factual, but it is logical.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I dont know about emulations or if they are considered "piracy" but the fact is there are people out who do use it for piracy and guess what companies dont like that.
Like I said before NONE of companies are your friend and they dont work for charity, their job is to make money.
If compony sees emulation used as tool to pirate their games then they gonna do something about it, no compony like to see their property getting stolen, its that simple.
Like I said before NONE of companies are your friend and they dont work for charity, their job is to make money.
If compony sees emulation used as tool to pirate their games then they gonna do something about it, no compony like to see their property getting stolen, its that simple.
Grildon Tundy
Gold Member
I changed my vote from Yes to No. The technical definition of each is distinct; they are not the same.
I had originally absentmindedly interpreted the question as: "Do you think most non-corporate entities that emulate are able to do so via piracy?" to which I think the answer is Yes.
I had originally absentmindedly interpreted the question as: "Do you think most non-corporate entities that emulate are able to do so via piracy?" to which I think the answer is Yes.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Not even the same meaning lol. There is absolutely nothing wrong with emulation.