Do you think the Activision buyout will go through?

Do you think Microsoft will successfully close the acquisition of Activision?


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Voted don't know. Most likely will go through, but the chances of it being denied have gone up slightly. In the event they run into trouble or it gets denied, Microsoft will make whatever concessions they have to in order to ultimately get the deal done. I don't see them giving up on it under any scenario.
 
That judge has to consider ALL of the testimonies, then. There were 8 or something companies that commented on this deal.

Yes and Sony are the most relevant, being Activision's largest customer and the party most affected by the deal. Oh and MS major competitor in the console space!
 
Hope so, and hope MS keeps CoD multiplatform but uses it as leverage to get Sony to stop keeping 3rd party games from coming to Xbox (such as FF14 and remake)
I too hope that Xbox gets every third party game however when games like Blue Dragon sell less than 1m copies it's easy to see why they take Sony's money - that's the platform where they sell.
 
Yes and Sony are the most relevant, being Activision's largest customer and the party most affected by the deal. Oh and MS major competitor in the console space!

Regulators are not tasked with keeping Sony's best business interests intact, but competition, to which all other publishers provided examples of how there are plenty of other competition including their own franchises (as opposed to Sony claiming there is none, how the game is a genre of its own, and a dozen other falsities that Microsoft had a field day with). Additionally, Sony is only Activision's largest customer due to their marketshare, which ironically is a talking point that counters their argument and stance.

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Regulators are not tasked with keeping Sony's best business interests intact, but competition, to which all other publishers provided examples of how there are plenty of other competition including their own franchises (as opposed to Sony claiming there is none, how the game is a genre of its own, and a dozen other falsities that Microsoft had a field day with). Additionally, Sony is only Activision's largest customer due to their marketshare, which ironically is a talking point that counters their argument and stance.

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Regulators are tasked with doing what's best for the market and competition within it.

If you honestly think MS owning CoD on top of so many other major brands in the FPS market is healthy for the industry, you've got a very strange idea of what constitutes "competition"!

Its pretty grotesque if you think that MS are looking to own all these IP's, not one of which have they originated (even Halo was bought-in).
 
Regulators are tasked with doing what's best for the market and competition within it.

You really should educate yourself on what regulatory bodies exist for.



The whole video is worth a watch if you want a M&A lawyers expertise and dissection on the subject, but particularly around 11:30 he proves my (and many others) points perfectly.
If you honestly think MS owning CoD on top of so many other major brands in the FPS market is healthy for the industry, you've got a very strange idea of what constitutes "competition"!

Funny how Ubisoft, EA and every other publisher who actually own the next biggest FPS games after CoD have publicly stated that this deal does not harm competition. How lawyers are stating the same thing. Yet little ol' me has a strange idea of competition because a random on a niche video game forum says so.

Its pretty grotesque if you think that MS are looking to own all these IP's, not one of which have they originated (even Halo was bought-in).

You mean to tell me that they're purchasing a company that has IPs they didn't originate? No shit, or else they'd own the IPs. What do you think they're buying them for? Charity? Do you keep the same energy when talking about how Sony should purchase SE?
From a tactical standpoint (ignoring practicality and expense) Sony just need to lock down SE, From, and Bamco. Sublicense on an exclusive basis Konami's fallow IP's, and get some sort of preferential arrangement with Capcom.
They may as well buy SE. They like them enough already to pay for more exclusives than anyone else, and they have a LOT of catalog product that could end up on PS+ Classics.

Of course not. I wonder why?
 
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You sound mad lol (please respond how you're not mad).

Sorry, but you'd be shocked how many Japanese games choose to be on PlayStation and/or Switch, but not on Xbox with ZERO financial incentive from Sony or Nintendo. It's often just not worth the cost to bring it to that platform.
Which is where Game Pass comes in Microsoft has been throwing money at Atlus, SE and others to have them release games on Game Pass. That's the only reason we're getting Persona 5 Royal on Xbox. I'm actually buying it on Switch since that's the only pay I can complete a jrpg nowadays, but you love to see it! I hope MS keeps throwing money at these Japanese devs to get more games on Game Pass. It's a good thing.
 
Which is where Game Pass comes in Microsoft has been throwing money at Atlus, SE and others to have them release games on Game Pass. That's the only reason we're getting Persona 5 Royal on Xbox. I'm actually buying it on Switch since that's the only pay I can complete a jrpg nowadays, but you love to see it! I hope MS keeps throwing money at these Japanese devs to get more games on Game Pass. It's a good thing.
They need to. 2022 has been terrible. I just canceled GamePass because of it. Hopefully they'll get a reason to resub.
 
They probably will, and Sony will get some favorable terms; so they shut their trap.

If they don't Phil gets fired, for biggest fumble in history.
 
They need to. 2022 has been terrible. I just canceled GamePass because of it. Hopefully they'll get a reason to resub.
Yes they need to. And I'm glad they're doing it! It's great as a game pass subscriber. The excellent content just.keeps.coming!!
I'm thrilled with this approach to open their wallet and get this content. I say keep it coming! I'm actually EXTENDING my sub! Gonna extend to at least 2024.
 
You really should educate yourself on what regulatory bodies exist for.

Oh shit. Guess I need Youtube to validate years of (lived) experience in the business!


The whole video is worth a watch if you want a M&A lawyers expertise and dissection on the subject, but particularly around 11:30 he proves my (and many others) points perfectly.

Lawyers are mercenaries. They entire profession is based on the notion of arguing a position to the best of their ability based upon whom is paying their fees. Your argument assumes quasi-moral authority and shows you really do not understand what you are arguing.


Funny how Ubisoft, EA and every other publisher who actually own the next biggest FPS games after CoD have publicly stated that this deal does not harm competition. How lawyers are stating the same thing. Yet little ol' me has a strange idea of competition because a random on a niche video game forum says so.
If a single party assuming control of CoD, ID's properties and their technological adjuncts like Wolfenstein, Halo, Bethesda/Zenimax's RPG flavoured-variants, all the while paying for preferential exposure of titles from EA, and newcomers like PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds doesn't reek of trying to corner the market. I can only assume gross ignorance or blatant partisanship.

You mean to tell me that they're purchasing a company that has IPs they didn't originate? No shit, or else they'd own the IPs. What do you think they're buying them for? Charity? Do you keep the same energy when talking about how Sony should purchase SE?

The significance is their inability to generate IP reflects unfavourably on their capability for stewardship of these proven successes. Basically handing control of the best vehicles to a mediocre driver is not good for competition.

If you are truly impartial, this is an easy call to make. Trying to deflect with a hypothetical Sony purchase of SE is transparently fake. Not to mention wildly inappropriate based on the market capitalization of the two publishers.

Try again fanboy. You just got destroyed.
 
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Yes. I suspect MS make whatever concessions they may need to ensure this happens.
Exactly, this is MS largest deal by a mile and its not about the next 5 or 10 years of COD. This is about having the developer talent for whats next in digital entertainment decades down the line.
 
Lawyers are mercenaries. They entire profession is based on the notion of arguing a position to the best of their ability based upon whom is paying their fees. Your argument assumes quasi-moral authority and shows you really do not understand what you are arguing.

So Hoeg is being paid by Microsoft to argue in their favor, despite parroting the statements from the other big publishers after questioned by regulators, who own the other indistry-leading games in the genre after CoD? It's all some big conspiracy, says the fanboy who wants Sony to buy and lockdown SE, From Software, Bandai Namco and "get some preferential treatment arrangement" from Capcom?

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If a single party assuming control of CoD, ID's properties and their technological adjuncts like Wolfenstein, Halo, Bethesda/Zenimax's RPG flavoured-variants, all the while paying for preferential exposure of titles from EA, and newcomers like PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds doesn't reek of trying to corner the market.

So, let me get this straight without laughing you out of the topic. Since 2000-2001 (when Microsoft purchased Bungie) up until late 2022, Microsoft have been trying to corner the FPS market? That's what you got? That's their grand plan? 22 year 4D chess? Oh boy, you got 'em!

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I super love the part where you desperately try to inflate your tinfoilhattery by adding "Bethesda/Zenimax's RPG variants" (😂), "preferrential exposore for EA titles" (while quoted earlier saying Sony should do the same thing, verbatim), and... PUBG.

Because we all know Bethesda was purchased for their FPS catalog, ABK didn't fall into their hands in a once in a lifetime and never-thought-possible deal, Halo wasn't kept while splitting from Bungie because it was their biggest IP and one of the most popular ones in the world, and because Game Pass growth and dominance isn't their main goal in the past 5+ years. Source: talesfrommyass and justtrustmebro. 😂

The significance is their inability to generate IP reflects unfavourably on their capability for stewardship of these proven successes. Basically handing control of the best vehicles to a mediocre driver is not good for competition.
Generating IP has absolutely zero bearing on regulatory procedure and guidelines, and even if it were in your fanboy ideology of the approval process, lawyers would just prove, factually, that new IP have been generated. To which you would pull out your GameFaqs list warzzz spreadsheet and attempt to move the goalposts.

Trying to deflect with a hypothetical Sony purchase of SE is transparently fake. Not to mention wildly inappropriate based on the market capitalization of the two publishers.

Your "impartiality" is incredibly transparent. You got caught with receipts saying Sony should acquire SE, which went against your point, hence it being mentioned. Thats not deflection, but proof of blatant hypocrisy and partiality. The "SE vs ABK market capitalization" is a weak strawman typically presented by rats being hypocrites. Let me ask you, when you said Sony should lockdown SE, From Software, Bandai Namco and "get some preferential treatment arrangement" from Capcom, does that move the needle from your goalpost? Let me guess, no, because ABK is still bigger market wise, amirite? Right.

Try again fanboy. You just got destroyed.

I'm sure you'd like to think that, but that's not how this works. Just like you like to think seasoned, impartial M&A lawyers not involved in any side of the acquisition or publishers actually involved in the acquisition are irrelevant and don't know what they're talking about because *checks notes* you say so.
 
So Hoeg is being paid by Microsoft to argue in their favor, despite parroting the statements from the other big publishers after questioned by regulators, who own the other indistry-leading games in the genre after CoD? It's all some big conspiracy, says the fanboy who wants Sony to buy and lockdown SE, From Software, Bandai Namco and "get some preferential treatment arrangement" from Capcom?

No, I'm just saying I have 20+ years more experience in the industry than Hoeg. Also there is precisely ZERO precedent for $70b mergers in the entire history of the business and given that in legal argument there are always 2 sides of argument, so why should we assume that he's on the "right" side?


So, let me get this straight without laughing you out of the topic. Since 2000-2001 (when Microsoft purchased Bungie) up until late 2022, Microsoft have been trying to corner the FPS market? That's what you got? That's their grand plan? 22 year 4D chess? Oh boy, you got 'em!

You couldn't "laugh me out of the topic" if you tried. The belligerence of your response combined with the multiple "comedy" .gifs undermines your position to the point of irrelevance.

You just come across as just the latest in long line of know-nothing fanboy fuckwits I've destroyed over the years. Which is why I simply cannot be arsed with reading, let alone responding to rest of your post.

You want to discuss in a civil manner, I'll be here. But until then; adios, clown-shoes.
 
No, I'm just saying I have 20+ years more experience in the industry than Hoeg.

Oh, you have 20+ years more experience than Hoeg, do you now?

Guess because you claim to have been in the industry since 1985 (🤔) at least (y'know, using the "+" sign and all) that your know more than everyone else, including publishers that have been around longer than that.

You couldn't "laugh me out of the topic" if you tried. The belligerence of your response combined with the multiple "comedy" .gifs undermines your position to the point of irrelevance.

But I just did. Some gifs are triggering you despite me using none in our previous discourse? Sorry, but your tinfoilhattery and asinine statements are hilarious and deserved of such lovely gifs.

You just come across as just the latest in long line of know-nothing fanboy fuckwits I've destroyed over the years. Which is why I simply cannot be arsed with reading, let alone responding to rest of your post.

Show me where you "destroyed" me, because it seems I've dismantled your "expertise" with calculation, including showing you that you're, in fact, not impartial and most definitely a hypocrite of the highest caliber. To which you have zero retort aside from calling me clown-shoes.

You want to discuss in a civil manner
I'm sorry, I didn't know you saying "Try again fanboy, you just got destroyed" in your previous post was "civil" discourse. Is this the professionalism you employ at your so called prestigious, long-running law firm?
But until then; adios, clown-shoes.

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Hope so, and hope MS keeps CoD multiplatform but uses it as leverage to get Sony to stop keeping 3rd party games from coming to Xbox (such as FF14 and remake)

You mean the FF 14 Square-Enix wanted to bring to Xbox but because Microsoft blocked cross-play at the time they were forced to not bring it to the system? And the FF7 Remake that Sony helped co-fund and assisted in development of?

Yeah, those are some blocks alright. Man when you don't know the facts you just spew crap 😂
 

Why wouldn't they have? It's a remake to a game that helped define the brand in the '90s, that entry in particular heavily tied to PlayStation.

I'd imagine it's probably similar to a SFV situation except SE probably could've funded the game themselves all things considered, but given its importance Sony might've wanted to step in and provided a hand themselves.

I don't have hard links myself but maybe someone else does. But I did a quick look and seems Sony did publish the original FFVII worldwide (Squaresoft published it in Japan). So they may own some part of the IP which would've come into play with the remake.
 
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Why wouldn't they have?
I'd imagine
it's probably similar
Sony might've wanted to step in

I see, so no links or even a smidgen of proof, then?

We know from original boxart that the game was supposed to be initially a 1 year timed exclusive and Intergrade was supposed to be a 6-month timed exclusive. That's what we do know. We know from reputable journalists that Sony wanted to lockdown mainline FF for the entire gen (albiet this is a rumor, but seemingly looking to be more and more true with FF7R2, FF16, and no mention of FF14 years after it was announced for Xbox, but the latter is a stetch). Everything else can be extrapolated from how Sony handles similar deals, and that's why the industry and media at large assume the game is a clear extended moneyhat, as opposed to gut feelings like yours.
 
Oh, you have 20+ years more experience than Hoeg, do you now?

In the games industry I do yes. Which kinda matters as it informs my understanding of the consequences of such a huge merger for the scene generally. But I guess for you experience only matters when it supports your biases... LOL

More snark, more .Gif's. Still nothing of substance to respond to. Getting bored now.
 
I see, so no links or even a smidgen of proof, then?

We know from original boxart that the game was supposed to be initially a 1 year timed exclusive and Intergrade was supposed to be a 6-month timed exclusive. That's what we do know. We know from reputable journalists that Sony wanted to lockdown mainline FF for the entire gen (albiet this is a rumor, but seemingly looking to be more and more true with FF7R2, FF16, and no mention of FF14 years after it was announced for Xbox, but the latter is a stetch). Everything else can be extrapolated from how Sony handles similar deals, and that's why the industry and media at large assume the game is a clear extended moneyhat, as opposed to gut feelings like yours.

I don't know who these reputable journalists are unless you provide names, because there are definitely some who may've been reputable in the past that have since shown they can't honestly be trusted with genuine information provided in a neutral way.

And FWIW, people have always assumed that big 3P exclusives with Sony are moneyhats, until info comes out that they aren't. Or at least, it wasn't just them wanting to keep something off another platform. There's the misconception to this day that SFV was a moneyhat, as example. Or that Sony moneyhatted Spiderman & Wolverine from Microsoft when it's come out MS actually had the chance to work with at least the former and many other Marvel characters, but passed on the opportunity.

Even if the case of FF VII is a pure moneyhat (which I doubt), whatever were the requirements for Square-Enix leading to that, were terms Microsoft could've played by and secured the game themselves if they wanted. They may've had to pay more, but it is what it is. Final Fantasy games in general haven't really pulled in big numbers on Xbox honestly, so I doubt there was much of a threat of sales on PS4 being eaten in by the game also available on Xbox simultaneously, given ratios for FF XIII and FF XV which were PS3/360 and PS4/XBO simultaneously releases, respectively.

So I'm inclined to think given what small amount of money Sony'd have to of paid to make it a 3P exclusive to PS4, wouldn't have been satisfactory for Square-Enix, so Sony likely contributed more money, tech resources and assistance via their ICE teams to the project. But since these things don't gin up toxicity or make gamers mad, the media won't talk about it or look into it in the first place tbh.
 
In the games industry I do yes. Which kinda matters as it informs my understanding of the consequences of such a huge merger for the scene generally. But I guess for you experience only matters when it supports your biases... LOL

More snark, more .Gif's. Still nothing of substance to respond to. Getting bored now.
Ah, yes, the supposed 40~ year industry vet, in the business since studying law was a twinkle in Richard Hoeg's eye, here to tell us whippersnappers that he, in fact, knows more than everybody. And when he gets receipts shown to him of his blatant impartiality, fanboyism and rampant hypocrisy, it's simply ignored because it's snark.

A single peace out gif after you said you're leaving the topic is really bothering you? So much so that you come back just to mention it? Those blasted jifs gifs! You claim to be civil when you're proven to be anything but, talk about impartiality when you're proven multiple times with receipts to be anything but. There is a reason you cherry-pick what to respond to.

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You mean the FF 14 Square-Enix wanted to bring to Xbox but because Microsoft blocked cross-play at the time they were forced to not bring it to the system? And the FF7 Remake that Sony helped co-fund and assisted in development of?

Yeah, those are some blocks alright. Man when you don't know the facts you just spew crap 😂
Those are the ones. MS since then said they wanted it on Xbox. They have the leverage. Didn't say it was your version of fair.

CoD for PS. FF and more for Xbox. More games for everyone.
 
So I'm inclined to think given what small amount of money Sony'd have to of paid to make it a 3P exclusive to PS4, wouldn't have been satisfactory for Square-Enix, so Sony likely contributed more money, tech resources and assistance via their ICE teams to the project. But since these things don't gin up toxicity or make gamers mad, the media won't talk about it or look into it in the first place tbh.
Man when you don't know the facts you just spew crap 😂
 
Xbox fans never mention games on Switch like Bayonetta and SMTV (Sega), Live a Live, Triangle Strategy, Harvestella (Square), Monster Hunter Rise or Monster Hunter Stories (Capcom).

All third-parties exclusive and no outrage, no controversy, no demands, nothing. It's only about Sony. If Sony gets something then all hell breaks loose and they are the devil.

I don't understand this double standard.
Link to where Nintendo are trying to scupper the deal and complaining about MS voluntarily offering to put games on the Switch as inadequate?
 
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Ah, yes, the supposed 40~ year industry vet, in the business since studying law was a twinkle in Richard Hoeg's eye, here to tell us whippersnappers that he, in fact, knows more than everybody.

What exactly are you disagreeing with me about? I really, truthfully don't have a clue!
You've been that ineffective in communicating what exactly your position is, I really have to ask in all sincerity: Do you even have a point?

Also, FYI, I'm not "triggered" by your use of Gif's. It's simply that its like dealing with somebody who has to gurn and pull faces in order to emphasize their points. Its not funny, its not even insulting, it's just like... yeah, ok clown-shoes!
 
Cool take mate.
Activision sold more than 25m CoD game entries between 2021 and 2022.
What a massive "glory of the past" it must be, being the 3rd biggest Gaming Franchise (game copies sold) only being beaten by Mario #1 and Tetris being #2.
Fifa sold well too, doesnt make it less shit hehe, and im fine with sony losing cod in 4 years, like mentioned my guestimate it, by then it wont be state of the art or even fun game to play, the yearly cod, so no big loss, just wish sony spent cash they wasted on bungie to found new ip, but thats on jimbo
 
Let's say the deal doesn't go through.

What keeps Microsoft from signing exclusivity from future games from actiblizzard?

They could just money hat everything from the company.

Yes of course. Can't believe there are some still in denial.
Some are still recovering from the emotional damage from the Bethesda acquisition.
 
What exactly are you disagreeing with me about? I really, truthfully don't have a clue!
You've been that ineffective in communicating what exactly your position is, I really have to ask in all sincerity: Do you even have a point?

Also, FYI, I'm not "triggered" by your use of Gif's. It's simply that its like dealing with somebody who has to gurn and pull faces in order to emphasize their points. Its not funny, its not even insulting, it's just like... yeah, ok clown-shoes!

Imagine telling somebody you're not even reading the majority of their posts and then, with a straight face, saying you have no clue what they're talking about and can't make out their points.

Or asking for civil discourse when your previous post had some one-liners that sound like they came from a 13-year old petulant child (even though you apparantly have 40~ experienced years in the industry).

Or having your entire train of thought muddied by some typical gifs that are thrown around here on a daily basis, and said gifs being the focus of your future posts. Although this is most likely due to you having no response to the discourse levied at you and you're using those darn gifs as a cheap way out of the convo instead of, y'know, leaving like you said you was doing.

You can't make this shit up. I'll help you out here by not using a gif. Happy?
 
Fifa sold well too, doesnt make it less shit hehe, and im fine with sony losing cod in 4 years, like mentioned my guestimate it, by then it wont be state of the art or even fun game to play, the yearly cod, so no big loss, just wish sony spent cash they wasted on bungie to found new ip, but thats on jimbo

Ive read this since cod Black ops.
Now, 12 years later, it's still one of the top franchises in the world.
Of course it would be a sight from fanboys to see it suddenly just getting vaporwared into the black abyss hele cause it won't be on playstation.

People who buy cod annual for the multiplayer has nowhere else to go, because there's literally no other shooter that scratches the cod itch.

Edit - same with wow. Wow has been called dead the last fifteen years, and even though ff xiv might have surpassed it, its still the second most active mmorpg.
 
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Let's say the deal doesn't go through.

What keeps Microsoft from signing exclusivity from future games from actiblizzard?

They could just money hat everything from the company.


Some are still recovering from the emotional damage from the Bethesda acquisition.
Nothing? What stopped them before?
 
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