Nah. It is simply a gesture to make the competitive scene more inclusive. The tourney players won't have too much of a problem with it given that DOA's competitive scene was in single digits for a while.
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DOA5:LR Community Soft-Bans 100+ Costumes from Tournaments
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Nah. It is simply a gesture to make the competitive scene more inclusive. The tourney players won't have too much of a problem with it given that DOA's competitive scene was in single digits for a while.
Eolz
Member
Can you tell me why some of those costumes were banned then? I can understand the bikinis (apparently some people need to close their eyes when they go to the beach), but some of these...
Why aren't male shirtless or underwear costumes banned too if we go down this road?
And sure, let's just ask the players of some specific tournaments, but not those going to others (because that's what happened). Lest of all, don't care about the viewers.
If you watched tournaments, you'd know few "lewd" costumes are actually used.
Seriously, "desensitized to naked ladies"... They're not naked. Worst case scenario is a bikini (god heavens), which other fighting games also have and don't ban. This won't change a bit the perception of the game, apart from making the competitive community look like a bunch of idiots.
I remember when USA freak out over when someone shows off a bit, but violence is a-ok.
Let's do a petition for burkas and polar outfits to Team Ninja while we're at it.
DigitalHitmann
Banned
This whole softban on costume content from Dead or Alive is getting out of hand... I understand what theyre trying to do, but the negative publicity will hurt us more than help us.
From all the tournaments ive been to the players have always had a good sense of judgement as to what they can use during pools and what they should use during Top 8 on stream. Let the players decide for themselves... Thats what makes the game a game, freedom of choice.
If we're held down by all these restrictions the game doesnt become fun and people dont want to play it anymore. Next thing you know we'll have soccer refs throwing yellow and red cards at us for our costume choices...
From all the tournaments ive been to the players have always had a good sense of judgement as to what they can use during pools and what they should use during Top 8 on stream. Let the players decide for themselves... Thats what makes the game a game, freedom of choice.
If we're held down by all these restrictions the game doesnt become fun and people dont want to play it anymore. Next thing you know we'll have soccer refs throwing yellow and red cards at us for our costume choices...
And it will stay in the single digits. This will just drive up drama for nothing.
YianGaruga
Banned
From the few I checked the banned list seems very inconsistent.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It's not crap, it's a way to play the game that the community pushed for and is now being supported with the Omega levels. It certainly wasn't in place for Melee when the scene got big. Smash Bros has items and weird crap on the stages for a reason, but for competitive it doesn't make sense, which is fine. Same thing with Bikinis as far as I can tell, they have their reasons, but it's only a tournament thing.
http://www.twitch.tv/teamsp00ky/b/628281271?t=5h8m14s
I don't think you grasp what a soft-ban is. They can still choose those costumes if they want.
Rekki-Maru
Banned
bunch of self righteous bullshit. DOA, is what it is. Embrace it or just ban the game, half-stepping is foolish.
And the male outfits??
Sorry I dont believe we are talking about the same thing.on the contrary, Skyrim became tolerable due to mods
A lot of responses in this thread are laughable. So the community for DOA, people that play this shit constantly and probably seriously, have decided that when the game is streamed, that players should refrain from playing in porno outfits.
These are people that have supported the franchise for a long ass time and can probably beat any casual's ass at the game, they SHOULD have the final say of what is and isn't allowed competitively. Viewers, watchers, casual players, they have no heft when it comes to making these decisions.
If you're watching a fighting game stream because of the costumes and not the competitive play? Watch porn or some other shit.
These are people that have supported the franchise for a long ass time and can probably beat any casual's ass at the game, they SHOULD have the final say of what is and isn't allowed competitively. Viewers, watchers, casual players, they have no heft when it comes to making these decisions.
If you're watching a fighting game stream because of the costumes and not the competitive play? Watch porn or some other shit.
YianGaruga
Banned
I don't know who the person talking is, but that doesn't make it any less hilarious
Of course they have the final say. Doesn't mean that it's immune to criticism.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I "get" what you meant about "showing the game's good stuff by eliminating the distractions", it's just that... well... it's Skyrim.
Banana Aeon
Member
The fact that they didn't ban any male outfits and still banned some of the more conservative DLC, showed that this was simply, "Hey, look at us!" thing. They didn't care.
Omega Levels was a sign that Sakurai doesn't give a shit about the competitive side of Smash, because if he would have looked at a stream, he would have known that the most popular stage is Battlefield.
DigitalHitmann
Banned
chaobreaker
Member
Does his crotch have unnecessary jiggle physics? No? Then we're done here.
And one of the community leaders who pioneered the soft-ban. Something the competitive players at the tournament also agreed to.
Outfits do not effect competitive play. They should have the final say over what effects the playability of the game and ruling over any other portion is ridiculous. And no, I don't consider the outfits to be distracting to be a gameplay detractor.
So then why not turn off the jiggle physics?
Possible bias because dudes are doing the rules. I dont like the poofy clothing hiding limbs.
If my opponent cant think when theres bikinis on screen, I want to pick it. Im indifferent to banning sexy outfits.
Also matters where that criticism is coming from. The spirit of competition/competition itself is way more important than costumes being banned, and yet people are acting like the soft bans will ruin DOA 5 when it comes to competition.
Hint: if somebody buys the game just for the titties alone, they would've done so before fighting tourney streams.
No, I don't care about the fighting genre or this game. I just hate to see censorship like this being pushed. Nothing fake about that. And the only thing I find corny is the attempt at censorship.
You do realize that "legal" costumes have jiggle physics too.
Maintenance
Member
So no bans on male costumes? Should've banned both then.
Eolz
Member
"People that run these tournies that have more passion/give more fucks for the game than casual fans shouldn't have the final say when it comes to what happens at those tournies."
Japan Smash scene only used FD. He catered towards them with Omega Mode.
Banana Aeon
Member
No one here is arguing that they need to use the sexy outfits. It's just that when you engage a transparent as fuck soft ban on something, you should expect criticism.
Technically neither does anything else seeing as you can turn the jiggle physics off. You can also turn off the sweating and other effects too. *shrugs*
I mean, if they really want to enforce this, I just don't get why it isn't a blanket hard ban on all DLC outfits. Every character has four defaults (two unlocked, two locked through playing arcade mode) and none of those are banned. Why a specific list? Why unnecessarily calling it a soft-ban?
There's a legitimate solution that's easy to enforce and wouldn't cause controversy. There's no reason to ban specific outfits.
Then your opinion means next to nothing, sorry. Also, this isn't censorship, this isn't even close to what censorship is.
i'll just laugh at it if that's OK
Wow. That's exactly what I said. Bravo dude. It shouldn't matter is what I meant, stop trying to be a prick and put words in my mouth that I didn't say.
Banana Aeon
Member
I didn't know that. Man that sounds terrible.
Trying to stop people from using revealing outfits in a video game that features them most definitely is an attempt at censoring the game on display. It is what it is, sorry.
Man, it's freaking hilarious to me how at odds DOA fans are with Team Ninja and and pro fighter fans that also play DOA.
3 groups that all have a different image of what the series should be but, here's the thing - the only one team ninja cares about is the first group - DOA fans , not pros. Why ? because that's where they make their money. These fans are the ones dumb enough to spend 100's of dollars on costumes to make a 3 year old game cost 200$. The fanbase doesn't really care much about how the game plays either, spending more time talking about multiple boob physics options and how they want ass jiggle physics and more provocative costumes for their 9 year old lolicon character.
Team Ninja will only keep doing what the fanbase keeps buying and right now , the smuttier and younger - the better.
I almost feel bad for the limited number of people what want to take this game seriously. It might be time to simply move on to a different series if you're having to block 90% of the games content from tournament use. Or perhaps just stick with the installments that came out before DOA5 where this wasn't such a problem ?
In a perfect world (for the doa players and programmers) , DOAX3 will act like the cash cow swimsuit infested jiggly bounce fest that most of the fanbase wants and DOA6 will return to series form with limited DLC and a refocus on the fighting engine while also pushing the graphics as hard as they can like they used to.
3 groups that all have a different image of what the series should be but, here's the thing - the only one team ninja cares about is the first group - DOA fans , not pros. Why ? because that's where they make their money. These fans are the ones dumb enough to spend 100's of dollars on costumes to make a 3 year old game cost 200$. The fanbase doesn't really care much about how the game plays either, spending more time talking about multiple boob physics options and how they want ass jiggle physics and more provocative costumes for their 9 year old lolicon character.
Team Ninja will only keep doing what the fanbase keeps buying and right now , the smuttier and younger - the better.
I almost feel bad for the limited number of people what want to take this game seriously. It might be time to simply move on to a different series if you're having to block 90% of the games content from tournament use. Or perhaps just stick with the installments that came out before DOA5 where this wasn't such a problem ?
In a perfect world (for the doa players and programmers) , DOAX3 will act like the cash cow swimsuit infested jiggly bounce fest that most of the fanbase wants and DOA6 will return to series form with limited DLC and a refocus on the fighting engine while also pushing the graphics as hard as they can like they used to.
Hell, it's even easier than going through and cherry-picking out all the costumes
Soft-bans are still heavily discouraged, and a sign of disrespect if you choose to ignore it. That's why there's all this blow back happening. The people who made this ban list claims community support when it seems there actually wasn't any. It seems they made a list of what they personally didn't like instead polling the community of what should and shouldn't be allowed.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
You do know that the costumes have nothing to do with jiggles right?
chaobreaker
Member
I'm not even surprised that word is being thrown around without any thought yet again.
Of course not. I'm just pointing out the false equivalence in implying that specific costume is distracting or "too sexy" just because it shows just as much skin as your average bikini costume.
Osu 16 Bit
Member
Osu 16 Bit
Member
I do not believe the distraction thing. There's no way anyone is distracted by costumes and can't play because of it. You're not even really looking at the characters when you play.
This whole issue makes no sense to me.
This whole issue makes no sense to me.
"They should have the final say over what effects the playability of the game and ruling over any other portion is ridiculous."
That sounds like, as a viewer, you want to make rules that the people that run these tournies have to follow.