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I don't think the comparison is accurate. Sonic games don't use furry fetish aesthetics as one of the main marketing points.

It's not meant to be a perfect 1:1 comparison, though I'd note that DOA will continue to use sex appeal to market itself and sell DLC regardless of what rules tournament organizers institute.

In that sense, banning furry fetishes might actually rehabilitate Sonic's image more than this tournament "soft ban" will have any effect on DOA. People's perception of the game comes from trailers, screenshots, and press materials.....not a tournament Twitch stream.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I find it weird that "bouncing titties" and "good gameplay" are apparently exclusive ideas.

 

[Nimby]

Tits is to DOA as jumping is to Mario. if someone said they hated jumping I wouldn't tell them to play mario. Same here.

There is more to DOA than just tits though. But tits in this case act more as a compliment than a detractor, because they're all OPTIONAL. The sexualization is what garners interest in the series to begin with, if you want to look past that it's very easy to do so, no need to ban costumes.

 

[Jarate]

I find it weird that "bouncing titties" and "good gameplay" are apparently exclusive ideas.

Titties are automatically bad in western society because titties hurt people. Bouncing breasts ruin childrens ideas of physics and that's why we arent living on the moon

Thanks Japan and your bouncing titties for ruining american physics

 

[Eolz]

Tits is to DOA as jumping is to Mario. if someone said they hated jumping I wouldn't tell them to play mario. Same here.

The developers very clearly want DOA to be a sexy series that does sexy things. If they wanted it to be a serious fighting game taken seriously they would design the game that way. They don't.

Yes.
But this is more as if some banned Mario's moustache because it was too glorious for some people. Might cause distractions in speedruns.

Titties are automatically bad in western society because titties hurt people. Bouncing breasts ruin childrens ideas of physics and that's why we arent living on the moon

Thanks Japan and your bouncing titties for ruining american physics

In American society*.
No particular problem here in Western Europe.

 

[mrklaw]

I don't see the problem with this if they want to get DOA more popular in terms of viewership.

I'll be the first one to admit that I don't watch DOA because of the costumes and its focus on "sexiness". The game's character and costume design basically screams to me that it's vying for the adolescent teen market. And I think this thread alone is enough to prove that people consider DOA a "tits" game first and foremost.

The soft-ban is clearly engaged in an effort (may not be the best effort) to change the perception of the game, and to prop up the gameplay mechanics. I'm all for that.

TN should take the opportunity to produce more competition-friendly outfits, and include modes in DoA to lock costumes down

 

[Jarate]

Yes.
But this is more as if some banned Mario's moustache because it was too glorious for some people. Might cause distractions in speedruns.



In American society*.
No particular problem here in Western Europe.

Brits just hate face sitting and femdom, I forgot, so it's banned there for having women beat up men

 

[Ferr986]

It's not meant to be a perfect 1:1 comparison, though I'd note that DOA will continue to use sex appeal to market itself and sell DLC regardless of what rules tournament organizers institute.

In that sense, banning furry fetishes might actually rehabilitate Sonic's image more than this tournament "soft ban" will have any effect on DOA. People's perception of the game comes from trailers, screenshots, and press materials.....not a tournament Twitch stream.

I dont see any furry fetish in any trailer, screenshot or press material of a Sonic game.
I really don't understand your comparison.

 

[Mr. X]

SC and DoA have bigger female competitive player bases so whatever they're doing is working and everyone else should learn.

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

It's not meant to be a perfect 1:1 comparison, though I'd note that DOA will continue to use sex appeal to market itself and sell DLC regardless of what rules tournament organizers institute.

In that sense, banning furry fetishes might actually rehabilitate Sonic's image more than this tournament "soft ban" will have any effect on DOA. People's perception of the game comes from trailers, screenshots, and press materials.....not a tournament Twitch stream.

There are no furry fetishes though. This is you projecting them onto the series...the closest there ever was to one was Rogue, maybe, but aside from that there hasn't even been the slightest bit of any

 

[SapientWolf]

I don't see it as exclusive to anyone. It's purely cosmetic. It's not as if a character/stage was banned.



It's a stigma perpetuated mostly by people that haven't spent more than 5 minutes with the entire series.

The soft ban isn't the end all answer to the problem, but it's a step in the right direction.

Then DoA also has a problem keeping people's interest for more than five minutes.

 

[Jarate]

I dont see any furry fetish in any trailer, screenshot or press material of a Sonic game.
I really don't understand your comparison.

nope no fetishization at all!

 

[Boss Doggie]

SC and DoA have bigger female competitive player bases so whatever they're doing is working and everyone else should learn.

So more titties?

Titties are automatically bad in western society because titties hurt people. Bouncing breasts ruin childrens ideas of physics and that's why we arent living on the moon

Thanks Japan and your bouncing titties for ruining american physics

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I dont see any furry fetish in any trailer, screenshot or press material of a Sonic game.
I really don't understand your comparison.

They are both popular games with active enthusiast communities that have a embarrassing subsection of fans that are fixated on the sexual nature of the games' characters. Community leaders would like to lessen these people's effect on their beloved game's public face, but are probably mistaken in believing that it will broaden the audience.

Sega does not use sex to sell Sonic, but that is kind of tangential to what I've outlined above.

 

[Banana Aeon]

To me it just seems like they're making all these waves just to placate a bunch of people who might hypothetically be interested in the game, rather than to serve their existing community. But in practice, I believe most of those hypothetical people were never going to play the game in the first place and certainly not at a competitive level......the only thing they were ever going to do was look on was look on in shock, horror, and/or titillation at how Tecmo loaded the game up with cheesecake.

If the Sonic the Hedgehog community decided to ban all the furry fan art and erotic fan fiction, it wouldn't lead to millions of new Sonic players -- it would just mean a few less jokes at the expense of Sonic players. This is more like a self-conscious attempt to neuter a game DOA players are embarrassed to play.

This is probably the most accurate post in this thread.

While I can't fathom being embarrassed by a game, I understand that some can be.

SC and DoA have bigger female competitive player bases so whatever they're doing is working and everyone else should learn.

We finally have the answer on how to get women into fighting games.

Boobies.

 

[Ragingnight]

lol fuck that. I would still do it and they would have to hold that shit. If they are going to DQ players for costumes then fuck their community. There is tons of fighters thats out there competitively.


Guys no blanka costume dlc costume please. Its distracting. Also no white costumes in snow stage in umvc3.

 

[Valkerionseven]

Meh I'm perfectly fine with a soft ban on some of the more silly or outrageous costumes for stream play. I can understand they want to try and highlight the gameplay and fun of the game as a whole more than anything.

That said its part of what makes DoA standout and is perfectly fine that this is the game that the team wanted to make, costumes and all.

Don't want to see DoA tone it down for an audience that was never interested in the first place nor would they be if you changed it. If you have some personal issues with the weird thoughts your having when you see a video game character in a bathing suit or w/e thats a personal issue and the game should not be changing for you imo.

 

[K.Sabot]

Not sure how this would bring people into the fold if they bought the game and all that T&A was right there in front of them the moment they boot up the game and take it online.

Hell, arcade mode randomizes the costumes right? I respect their decision to make their game look more respectable for the stream, but to do it with the intention of bringing in new blood might seem a bit like false advertising.

 

[SigSig]

When I'm watching a video game tournament, I really don't want to have fanservice pushed into my face, so I think it's great.
They are not taking the costumes out of the game and the costumes don't matter for gameplay, so why complain?

 

[Sushi Nao]

So much backlash over a very reasonable idea to add credibility and inclusiveness to a small, serious segment of the game's audience.

Taking small steps to make a game less grossly sexually gratuitous is a *good* thing for game legitimacy in general.

 

[That1BlackGuy]

I find it weird that "bouncing titties" and "good gameplay" are apparently exclusive ideas.

I notice this sentiment among a lot of games that openly promote and feature fanservice. Cheesecake doesn't inherently devalue the quality of a game's other areas.

 

[Triple Da G.O.D!]

nope no fetishization at all!

Seriously OT though let's play a game of "Who This Actually Really Benefits?"

I'll wait.

 

[Mr. X]

You guys joke but there is truth to be found.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

I'm gonna need pics of these costumes.

 

[Shouta]

It's a pretty decent idea if they want to keep the game focused on the actual fights at tournaments. They just need to scrub the male costumes too to make it all-encompassing.

The series, since DOA5, has gotten a lot closer to Virtua Fighter in game systems so being able to show off the improvements would be pretty nice. I've gotten into it recently because of that

 

[Ferr986]

nope no fetishization at all!

Rouge is shit but there's always been antropomorph (or whatever they are called) characters will tits. In cartoons, in other games...

They are both popular games with active enthusiast communities that have a embarrassing subsection of fans that are fixated on the sexual nature of the games' characters. Community leaders would like to lessen these people's effect on their beloved game's public face, but are probably mistaken in believing that it will broaden the audience.

Sega does not use sex to sell Sonic, but that is kind of tangential to what I've outlined above.

That happens with every franchise. There's probably hentai and porn pics of every game released. It's not only exclusive to Sonic, DOA, or whatever game you want to call.

I know what you trying to say but there's no way to ban something that its not present in the game, and it's no fault of the franchise itself. Its different from the DOA case, where Team Ninja themselves are pushing the sex appeal in their PR and their games.

 

[Banana Aeon]

So much backlash over a very reasonable idea to add credibility and inclusiveness to a small, serious segment of the game's audience.

Taking small steps to make a game less grossly sexually gratuitous is a *good* thing for game legitimacy in general.

The DoA community is already pretty inclusive already. Just small.

I still think the soft ban is silly. Being sexually gratuitous in nature shouldn't effect a game's legitimacy, as the same with blood and gore shouldn't.

 

[Jarate]

The DoA community is already pretty inclusive already. Just small.

I still think the soft ban is silly. Being sexually gratuitous in nature shouldn't effect a game's legitimacy, as the same with blood and gore shouldn't.

You can only be inclusive if there are absolutely 0 ninjas or titties

It's the only way

 

[patapuf]

My point is i think it's a silly move. Doesnt matter if it's in a competetive setting or casual setting. T&A and silly outfits is what DOA is mostly about. Take that away and you're left with a very mediocre fighter. In my humble opinion.

Nah, DOA is fun to play and very beginner friendly, kind of like soul calibur in that regard. At a casual level it's a much more pleasant experience than tekken, or street fighter.

 

[Ragingnight]

the competitive mind set should be play to win (within rules). If opponents can't play that well due to a costume, i'll pick that costume.

Shit people fucking mapped empty buttons and mash on those to fuck with players and thats not ban.

The only real thing I would care about is ban on stages/costume that would make it hard for color blind players to play upon request.

 

[Green Biker Dude]

i saw a breast jiggle once and it almost killed me. then i saw a nipple and actually had to be wished back to life with the dragon balls

never again

 

[border]

This is probably the most accurate post in this thread.

While I can't fathom being embarrassed by a game, I understand that some can be.

The strange this is that I can kinda relate. I love Bayonetta, but probably wouldn't admit it to a date or anything like that. If someone I didn't know all that well asked me what I've been playing lately or what my favorite all time games were, I would probably intentionally exclude Bayonetta. I wouldn't say I'm embarassed by it so much as I just know it looks creepy to an outsider. I often wish the game didn't have the dumb "combo=tits!" mechanic because it adds very little but makes it look dumb/silly to anyone without an appreciation of the genre.

That said, I would not advocate censoring Bayonetta for live streams or speed runs or any other public-facing event. People are too hung up on establishing gaming's "legitimacy".

 

[Boss Doggie]

So much backlash over a very reasonable idea to add credibility and inclusiveness to a small, serious segment of the game's audience.

Taking small steps to make a game less grossly sexually gratuitous is a *good* thing for game legitimacy in general.

See, since when is having less fanservice "credible"?

 

[Rentahamster]

Am I in 1925?

 

[Armaly]

Am I in 1925?

One piece swim suits only. Full length skirts or bust.

 

[Primethius]

The strange this is that I can kinda relate. I love Bayonetta, but probably wouldn't admit it to a date or anything like that. If someone I didn't know all that well asked me what I've been playing lately or what my favorite all time games were, I would probably intentionally exclude Bayonetta. I wouldn't say I'm embarassed by it so much as I just know it looks creepy to an outsider. I often wish the game didn't have the dumb "combo=tits!" mechanic because it adds very little but makes it look dumb/silly to anyone without an appreciation of the genre.

That said, I would not advocate censoring Bayonetta for live streams or speed runs or any other public-facing event. People are too hung up on establishing gaming's "legitimacy".

I agree with you on the Bayonetta example and I would do the same. There's no way to legitimately explain the nuance and depth of something like Bayonetta to an outsider I feel sufficient to go beyond the initial presentation of the game.

 

[Vazra]

I dont see any problem with any of this?

The COMPETITIVE community is soft banning the fan service to highlight the gameplay more and I dont see anything wrong with that. It won't affect the casual market of the game since most of that fan service outfits are mostly DLC and the casual market rarely does the tournament or bother to watch them. If you want to play DOA for the fanservice you can play it at your house, friends house, Online and pretty much anywhere and those outfits won't change the core mechanics of the gameplay. It's not really a solution but it has been suggested before that DOA could get outfit filters or let people filter what they want to see or not since not everyone is into the fan service but they really like the gameplay. Also another hypocritical to call DOA the only titty fighter when games like Soul Calibur have gone into doing outfits as fan servicey as DOA yet because the game started as a "serious" series people brush off those outfits or characters despite getting breast augmentation and clantlier outfits. Look at this gem or this other one.

Team Ninja can continue to make the fan service outfits but it would be nice if they actually bothered to even things out with casual outfits/regular wearable outfits perhaps people wouldn't be complaining as much. The first trailers for Dead or Alive 5 were less sexualized than the later trailers and that changed after the casual community started complaining about it which I still remember clearly. Team Ninja could try catering in a way to both audiences with the DLC and still keep things properly and divide the promo between gameplay focused and fans service promotion.

I do not see anything wrong with trying to make the game focus more on the competitive side at a competitive tournament when it doesn't affect the people who wants to play the game for fanservice which if they only want that they can google the outfits or watch the thousands of videos showing off the outfits. The game tournament is not a show off the clothes but the gameplay and if they feel that trying to highlight the gameplay over the fanservice is what they want they are more than welcome to put on their rules. I do agree some of the decisions are odd with the selection but I dont get what is wrong with trying to highglight the gameplay of a well polished fighter that happens to also has fan service.

 

[Hackworth]

The funniest thing about this announcement is how /v/ keeps yelling about sjws.
If tourney organizers want to set rules I'd rather they ban costumes than sexualities honestly.

 

[Banana Aeon]

The strange this is that I can kinda relate. I love Bayonetta, but probably wouldn't admit it to a date or anything like that. If someone I didn't know all that well asked me what I've been playing lately or what my favorite all time games were, I would probably intentionally exclude Bayonetta. I wouldn't say I'm embarassed by it so much as I just know it looks creepy to an outsider. I often wish the game didn't have the dumb "combo=tits!" mechanic because it adds very little but makes it look dumb/silly to anyone without an appreciation of the genre.

That said, I would not advocate censoring Bayonetta for live streams or speed runs or any other public-facing event. People are too hung up on establishing gaming's "legitimacy".

It's weird, because gaming is still in the phase where they get attacked over lewd content, while movies and tv gets raunchier by the passing day.

I figured that gaming would be seen legitmate enough today as a form of media to be seen in the same light, especially as it gets bigger and bigger by the passing day, but that hasn't happened yet.

 

[Camjo-Z]

So much backlash over a very reasonable idea to add credibility and inclusiveness to a small, serious segment of the game's audience.

Taking small steps to make a game less grossly sexually gratuitous is a *good* thing for game legitimacy in general.

Nah, it's a dumb ban created for overly sensitive folks who can't accept that not everything is made for them. If you think the costumes are offensive, feel free to not use them, or just not play/watch the game! And I say this as someone who finds DOA's fanservice to be more creepy than titillating.

Besides that, what does this ban really do? Are they expecting people to be fooled into thinking that the game where the girls are all smuggling Jell-O in their bikinis isn't trying to be sexy?

 

[Spaced Harrier]

DOA 5 has had the largest presence of female gamers in tournaments in my personal experience.
I remember remarking to a friend that that would be the opposite of the expected.

Gotta say I'm not in favour of these types of bans.

Though I am in favour of a rule where people can request default costumes.
I'm not a fan of alts in general.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I dont see any problem with any of this?

Sweeping a "problem" under the rug rather than actually finding something that won't feel like they're trying to hide something.

 

[Tripon]

I dont see any problem with any of this?

The COMPETITIVE community is soft banning the fan service to highlight the gameplay more and I dont see anything wrong with that. It won't affect the casual market of the game since most of that fan service outfits are mostly DLC and the casual market rarely does the tournament or bother to watch them. If you want to play DOA for the fanservice you can play it at your house, friends house, Online and pretty much anywhere and those outfits won't change the core mechanics of the gameplay. It's not really a solution but it has been suggested before that DOA could get outfit filters or let people filter what they want to see or not since not everyone is into the fan service but they really like the gameplay. Also another hypocritical to call DOA the only titty fighter when games like Soul Calibur have gone into doing outfits as fan servicey as DOA yet because the game started as a "serious" series people brush off those outfits or characters despite getting breast augmentation and clantlier outfits. Look at this gem or this other one.

Team Ninja can continue to make the fan service outfits but it would be nice if they actually bothered to even things out with casual outfits/regular wearable outfits perhaps people wouldn't be complaining as much. The first trailers for Dead or Alive 5 were less sexualized than the later trailers and that changed after the casual community started complaining about it which I still remember clearly. Team Ninja could try catering in a way to both audiences with the DLC and still keep things properly and divide the promo between gameplay focused and fans service promotion.

I do not see anything wrong with trying to make the game focus more on the competitive side at a competitive tournament when it doesn't affect the people who wants to play the game for fanservice which if they only want that they can google the outfits or watch the thousands of videos showing off the outfits. The game tournament is not a show off the clothes but the gameplay and if they feel that trying to highlight the gameplay over the fanservice is what they want they are more than welcome to put on their rules. I do agree some of the decisions are odd with the selection but I dont get what is wrong with trying to highglight the gameplay of a well polished fighter that happens to also has fan service.

So you're okay with a couple of TOs deciding this without little to no input from the community itself? Just deciding that something should be banned and issuing a blanket ruleset with no vote on what should be allowed or not?

 

[Toxi]

I find it weird that "bouncing titties" and "good gameplay" are apparently exclusive ideas.

It's more a perception that Dead or Alive is only focused on bouncing titties instead of good gameplay. Similar to how Mortal Kombat has a perception of only focusing on gore and shock value over good gameplay. Sure, you can have both, but when your series has a reputation for selling purely on fanservice/violence and a bunch of mediocre games, people won't assume you have both.

 

[Sushi Nao]

So you're saying that the status quo of sexual presentation in games is just fine, that small steps to improve it is just based on oversensitivity and me, and others who feel the same way, have the problem and we should just go somewhere else and let the tough insensitive people do their thing?

Cool bud, just checking

 

[TheGraykid]

I don't think this is a bad move, and I don't really know why people are painting it as that. No one has demanded this, this is just the community deciding that they'd rather have the conversation that surrounds their tournaments be about the game, their players and not "jiggle physics". This is nothing like censoring blood and gore, this isn't about making the game less graphic. It's about giving the person who likes watching streams, but isn't into the whole " let's make all our female characters look like strippers" thing a reason to watch and maybe get to know the good game that lies underneath. I think it's a cool thing. How is this bad? Please someone explain.

 

[Water]

To me it just seems like they're making all these waves just to placate a bunch of people who might hypothetically be interested in the game, rather than to serve their existing community. But in practice, I believe most of those hypothetical people were never going to play the game in the first place and certainly not at a competitive level......the only thing they were ever going to do was look on was look on in shock, horror, and/or titillation at how Tecmo loaded the game up with cheesecake.

If you're still going on with this myopic view of only individuals and their feelings about the game, with zero consideration of the bigger picture, I can only guess you didn't read my reply to your previous post.

Or maybe you think increased publicity for a game's tournaments, increased inclusion in larger events and media, increased sponsorship opportunities etc. do not increase the audience of a game. In that case I don't know what to say.

I'm guessing you also missed posts from koshunter and Griss discussing the smaller-scale benefits of having options to occasionally tone down the lewdness when the occasion calls for it, and how that makes the game more attractive. A tournament organizer making that decision is no different. It's their event, and they probably have more important concerns than whether you get to ogle the same bikini in the tournament matches that you are able to ogle 100% of your gaming time outside the tournament.

 

[Jarate]

So you're saying that the status quo of sexual presentation in games is just fine, that small steps to improve it is just based on oversensitivity and me, and others who feel the same way, have the problem and we should just go somewhere else and let the tough insensitive people do their thing?

Cool bud, just checking

How is this improving the sexuality of the game?

Tits =/= bad. The series is what it is, trying to hide yourselves from it is just silly imo

 

[Vazra]

Sweeping a "problem" under the rug rather than actually finding something that won't feel like they're trying to hide something.

Tecmo Koei removes the fan service out of DOA the casual fanbase will probably not buy the game and the competitive players are not enough to sustain the game which will probably lead the series to do a massive nosedive on sales. There is the issue that the series already has the image of being a fan service game which despite trying to change the image people will still call it the titty fighter since it has been called like that for nearly 20 years. DOA5 didnt burn the world on fire with sales of the game but they made a killing out of the DLC so in a way that fanservice helps the company make more money. Would average casual outfits sell as good as the fanservice outfits? Cant really tell since there isnt much to compare right now in the game.

The best thing TN could do right now is try to make as much casual outfits to balance things out between the fanservice and let people choose what they want to use or not and let them filter out the stuff they dont like to see as some kind of middleground.

So you're okay with a couple of TOs deciding this without little to no input from the community itself? Just deciding that something should be banned and issuing a blanket ruleset with no vote on what should be allowed or not?

it's not that I'm 100% on it and saying that everything they said is right but it's not a bad idea itself and with more time thinking on what should be softbanned or not might be ok in the competitive side of things. It's competitive play which focus on the competitive side of the game and not the cute /sexy outfits.

 

[Sushi Nao]

How is this improving the sexuality of the game?

Tits =/= bad. The series is what it is, trying to hide yourselves from it is just silly imo

Do you ever wonder how women might feel watching a game like this?