I wonder if we'll eventually get the reverse from critics about DCEU films.
"Eh. It's not complete dogshit so..."
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I wonder if we'll eventually get the reverse from critics about DCEU films.
"Eh. It's not complete dogshit so..."
Its not like this criticpoint is brought up by people who are interested in a neutral discussion, from my view this is always just a thing that gets brought up to distract from the flaws and horrible movies of the own "fraction".
ViewtifulJC
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I hope duckroll bans all the Spider-Man 2 hate, its still better than ya fave MCU movie F R E E
Fancyarcher
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The big-wigs will at WB and the management at DC Entertainment will really need to prove that they make a non successful Batman / Superman film with Wonder Woman or Aquaman, before they even consider touching a Zatanna film, really.
peanutbutterlatte
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Okay but my 52 year old ass gets to kick yours when you wrong.
It goes
12 Angry Men
Pulp Fiction
Then Aunt May making us all cringe cos she can't get a free toaster
WE ARE WHO WE CHOOSE TO BE
X1 was not a good film...
broncobuster
Banned
Even Kevin Feige agrees with you.
Fancyarcher
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It's pretty much a joke among fans back in the day, who keep claiming that Peter Parker spent the majority of the SM films being mopey and that Maguire's acting consisted largely of bad crying. The argument has slowed-down in recent years, but I remember feuding with fanboys on IMDb and comicvine in the past about it.
Spider-Man should feature a mystery involving terrorism and his parents disappearance, cause we all know the last time they did a mystery that involved his parents it worked out so well.
peanutbutterlatte
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... You can't do this to me, I MADE THIS COMPANY
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The Wah Slinger
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But you're right, when he's not being mopey there's plenty of healthy wholesome cringe to sustain a trilogy.
X-Men 1 got a gigantic pass for not being Batman and Robin, The Phantom, or Steel levels of late-90s shit.
OUT, AM I?
FantasticMrFoxdie
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holy shit i have to watch this in theatres now & in 3d then
We kinda already do get that, if you read some of the positive blurbs on Rotten Tomatoes.
One of the BvS reviews:
"The movie's not bad but it doubles down on its least-interesting and potent elements at the expense of those that actually work."
- Bilge Ebiri, Village Voice
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Except the sequel be in the MCU, kind of how like the Galaxy Of the Guardians 2 will probably be in the MCU, which is why I won't see it, which sucks.
Fancyarcher
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Personally X2 and Spider-Man 2 have aged quite well for me. I still enjoy both of those films quite a bit, and X2 still kicks-ass.
Honestly with changes in CGI and storytelling, all comic-book movies age. That's just a fact. It's a matter of how well they hold up for somebody that matters in the end.
Honestly with changes in CGI and storytelling, all comic-book movies age. That's just a fact. It's a matter of how well they hold up for somebody that matters in the end.
peanutbutterlatte
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Yours was better
Also on a separate note, remember when Spiderman 2 referenced Dr. Strange?
Actually Gunn has said GOTG2 will be self-contained too.
Yeah, and that was enough for all of us at the time. We were just happy to have a serious movie after all the schlocky bullshit we had to put up with.
At least it was better than Alec Baldwin's The Shadow.
Remember when Alec Baldwin was attempting to be an action hero unironically? He had his Batman shadowy cape walk down at least:
Yours was better
Also on a separate note, remember when Spiderman 2 referenced Dr. Strange?
Haha, wow...full circle.
andythinkpad
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Me neither. The trailer was very by-the-number.
But just to be on the safe side I will go on media blackout.
Vampirolol
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Yo Spider-Man 2 is the Citizen Kane of non-Citizen Kane movies.
Subpar Spatula
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Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy is so great it's still used as a comparison to show greatness, MCU movies are used as comparison pieces to show, "yeah, I suppose you'll like it if you liked this one."
Not all high rated RT movies are equal.
Not all high rated RT movies are equal.
Sorcerer Supreme
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guess i'll watch it then
Hold. Spider-Man 2 sure as shit does not hold up. None of em do.
That train sequence is still A1 tho
shira
Member
Oh, and quick and dirty chart to note what has come before:
IM, Avengers, Guardians and Civil War were the only >90 RT scores, and the 7.0 average rating seems pretty solid.
I think my threshold is 7.7
Anything below is snoozlefest
edit: shit Winter Soldier and Captain America too
Fancyarcher
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peanutbutterlatte
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You mean they're used like that by you. You don't speak for everybody.
Fancyarcher
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X1 got a free pass because people enjoyed it. I actually think The Phantom is a more enjoyable film personally, plus it's a much better looking movie, since X1 was actually restricted by budget constraints and time scheduling, and when you consider that, Singer actually did a pretty good job.
So basically, you don't judge the movies on their own basis. The fact that that they're set in a universe of other characters is enough for you to dislike them.
Silly and dumb, but go ahead and do you.
Why would there be when everyone should know it's an origin? And when did they say that? Isn't Captain Marvel going to be an origin also
Oh damn I just realized Marvel's not doing any origin stories for another three years, thank god.
Fancyarcher
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I think they've already done a few good villains, Zemo, Pierce, Loki mostly because they kept the character around, even Ultron I think was really good, mostly because James Spader was perfect and great casting for the role, the character was only hamstrunged by screentime.
The problem is, is that they often put more emphasis on the heroes then the villains, and the villains are sort of left as an afterthought or just become cliche or boring as a result.
They managed to have the best villain this year with Zemo at least. Though that isn't saying much since he wasn't all that great either.
They did. His name is Cottonmouth
jack_package_200
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Who would even be his competition? Lex Zuckerberg?
Ultron was the worst AI bad guy I have ever witnessed.
Marvel seriously needs to stop focusing so much on the heroes and give the villains more screen time.
The fuck kind of half assed logic is this
Enchantress 😂
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Yeah, I was a huge X-Men comic fan and I didn't like X1 at the time but my cousins thought it was hot shit even though they had never read a single issue. I watched it again last year and while it is flawed, it is a very interesting movie to analyze. It's insane the number of concepts, ideas and characters that Singer introduces in every scene. It is actually a very elegantly constructed film that sold an incredibly complicated mythology to millions of people and made it look easy. And on a 70M$ budget.
I certainly don't consider it one of the best comic-book films (though X2 is up there of course) but it deserves more respect than it gets on GAF. And very few MCU films can claim to have a scene as powerful and well directed as the opening of X-Men.
Only one that came close would be Ajax in Deadpool. He was very generic but the film does a good job at making you hate him. But yeah Apocalypse sucked, Lex was terrible, Enchantress was even worse, and Joker was unmemorable and only in that film for like 5 minutes.
Her belly-dancing was pretty sinister.
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