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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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mclem

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Titles for the others have been revealed, with the exception of the finale which is probably called The One With The Fucking Daleks in it or something.

Episode 7.08 - The Rings of Akhaten, by Neil Cross
Episode 7.09 - Cold War, by Mark Gatiss
Episode 7.10 - Hide, by Neil Cross
Episode 7.11 - Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS, by Stephen Thompson
Episode 7.12 - The Crimson Horror, by Mark Gatiss
Episode 7.13 - The Last Cyberman, by Neil Gaiman
Episode 7.14 - ???

Interesting, they should polish all those off *before* the Eurovision Song Contest, all being well. If nothing else, this split season avoids the annoying gap week they'd have when that came around.
 

Petrichor

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Titles for the others have been revealed, with the exception of the finale which is probably called The One With The Fucking Daleks in it or something.

Episode 7.08 - The Rings of Akhaten, by Neil Cross
Episode 7.09 - Cold War, by Mark Gatiss
Episode 7.10 - Hide, by Neil Cross
Episode 7.11 - Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS, by Stephen Thompson
Episode 7.12 - The Crimson Horror, by Mark Gatiss
Episode 7.13 - The Last Cyberman, by Neil Gaiman
Episode 7.14 - ???

I'd guess from what we've heard so far that the last episode is set in Victorian England again for the most part with these (maybe the "whispermen"?):

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as the main villain.
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
Sorry if these goofy facebook like pics are frowned upon but this was pretty cool I thought.. (was in my G+ feed actually) There was lots of dust in the air during this scene for some reason.. :/

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Ironic that they used this because the idea of that moment is so powerful that I see this episode having an effect on people who don't even know much about Who. For example, on tumblr there was a post sometime ago with gifs and an explanation of what's going on in that scene, and a lot of the notes were like "I don't even watch Who but this is amazing".

http://5ths-lapel.tumblr.com/post/20903661511/unicorntimelordadamyoung
 
The denouement is excellent and probably one of the best they've done - but the bulk of the episode is pretty flabby with regards to pacing and storytelling (up until the death of the krafayis I'd posit that it's a pretty horrible episode actually). I suppose a fantastic ending is all anyone remembers. Conversely - The Angels Take Manhattan is packed full of interesting ideas, setpieces and dialogue, but a questionable ending ruins it for most - it's interesting how it works.

See also Last of the Time Lords, Mass Effect 3.
 

8bit

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That was my initial thought as well, but if you look carefully at the gravestone in the background, you can see:

the letters ONG at the end - as in river? She's only in the finale

That would put 2 episodes with Victorian themes pretty close together though, which seems a bit of an odd choice.
 

Petrichor

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That would put 2 episodes with Victorian themes pretty close together though, which seems a bit of an odd choice.

The finale probably jumps around lots of different time periods like The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song. I suppose the crimson horror is placed so late in the season just to remind viewers about Vastra, Jenny and Strax?
 
See also Last of the Time Lords, Mass Effect 3.

The thing about Last of the Time Lords that's interesting, I think, is the whole Doctor on the run thing. The Master being the PM gave at least the first part of that this real weight. There's some really great scenes. I love the Master gassing his cabinet, the tense phone call between the Doctor and the Master, and the moment Martha's family is arrested and they're forced to go on the run. It's everything the Doctor is best - anonymous, mysterious - turned on its head. Suddenly he's wanted, and it works really well for that particular story.

The next week starting a full year on in this sadistic, fascist world is great too - there's just two key problems - first, the conclusion, and second the implementation of the TARDIS being turned into a Paradox machine - it's just sort of there, and the reveal carries no weight. Oh, and the barely-characterised but super-clear transformation of his wife from a twisted mirror of Rose to an abuse victim is great. I think there's some great ideas expressed in that story overall - but the two things that resolve it - the Paradox Machine and Jesus Doctor - are really, really bad.

The finale probably jumps around lots of different time periods like The Big Bang and The Wedding of River Song. I suppose the crimson horror is placed so late in the season just to remind viewers about Vastra, Jenny and Strax?

A more realistic reason is probably them just wanting to put a gap between the two Gaitiss episodes so his 'style' doesn't dominate too much.
 

Petrichor

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A more realistic reason is probably them just wanting to put a gap between the two Gaitiss episodes so his 'style' doesn't dominate too much.

Speaking of his style - what is the consensus on Mark Gatiss as a writer? For me his Sherlock and Doctor Who stories are always saliently inferior to other episodes (Night Terrors....so much potential squandered) - Does he keep getting asked back because he's a personal friend of Moffats?

I'm actually looking forward to "Cold War" - the concept is so promising I'm not sure where Gatiss could go wrong with it - but I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that he'll find a way.
 

Kilrogg

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Hell, Charles Dance should be everyone all the time. He'd even make a convincing Clara Oswin I'm sure. <cue Ali G.gif>
 

Quick

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Speaking of his style - what is the consensus on Mark Gatiss as a writer? For me his Sherlock and Doctor Who stories are always saliently inferior to other episodes (Night Terrors....so much potential squandered) - Does he keep getting asked back because he's a personal friend of Moffats?

I'm actually looking forward to "Cold War" - the concept is so promising I'm not sure where Gatiss could go wrong with it - but I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that he'll find a way.

I think Gatiss writes better for Sherlock than for Doctor Who. The Hounds of Baskerville outshine pretty much all his Who episodes. I think this is relative to the amount of episodes churned out by each show, though. He'd have a lot more time writing and refining his Sherlock episodes than his Who episodes - at least, that's what I imagine.

I think his episodes always have great potential and definitely plenty of heart, but something knocks it down a peg or two.

He definitely gets asked back because he's a friend of Moffat, not that this wasn't obvious.
 
I think Gatiss writes better for Sherlock than for Doctor Who. The Hounds of Baskerville outshine pretty much all his Who episodes. I think this is relative to the amount of episodes churned out by each show, though. He'd have a lot more time writing and refining his Sherlock episodes than his Who episodes - at least, that's what I imagine.

I think his episodes always have great potential and definitely plenty of heart, but something knocks it down a peg or two.

He definitely gets asked back because he's a friend of Moffat, not that this wasn't obvious.
But he didn't write The Hound episode. He wrote Reichenbach Falls.
 

Petrichor

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ahh



Nope you've got it the wrong way around. Gatiss wrote The Great Game & Hound of Baskerville; Steve Thompson wrote Blind Banker & Reichenbach

And for what its worth I thought baskerville was easily the weakest episode in season 2 - it felt more like a bog standard episode of jonathan creek than sherlock.
 
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