brucewaynegretzky
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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I'm okay with that if it means we get the full series in Autumn 2014. If it's split between Autumn and the following Spring then it's all kinds of lame.
Edit: On second thought it's kind of rubbish either way. Means there's about fifteen months between series seven and eight
APZonerunner
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I was really hoping for Matt to go, mainly because I'm finding him and Jenna to be a pretty boring TARDIS team, really. I'm not sure how much of that is down to Clara being flat, though, and he really is a fantastic Doctor, so it's still great news.
Pissed off about what all this means for scheduling, though.
Pissed off about what all this means for scheduling, though.
GameplayWhore
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Well, of course. Somebody has to play the Valeyard next series, after all.
Hot Coldman
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Yaaaaay.
Hopefully, given a full series, Matt and Jenna will be a bit more of a comfortable pairing.
RobotNinjaHornets
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She was in Big Train? What? When did that happen?
APZonerunner
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I still think there's no smoke without fire, and I think that maybe he was considering going at Christmas - thus him saying "I'll be back for Christmas" repeatedly but refusing to confirm Series 8, and Jenna saying she'd be back but dodging to comment on Matt.
A proposal: I think maybe he and Moffat had a negotiation and made a leaving pact as Tennant and RTD did, and will both go at the end of next year, allowing for a clean sweep on a new regime.
A proposal: I think maybe he and Moffat had a negotiation and made a leaving pact as Tennant and RTD did, and will both go at the end of next year, allowing for a clean sweep on a new regime.
infiniteloop
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Seems likely. Also, if Series 8 airs towards the end 2014, would give a good amount of time for the new show runner to get up and running in 2014 with Series 9 airing end of 2015.
Future Foundation
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Exterminieren
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"We".
Not "I".
Not "I".
EleventhDoctor
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I'm in the same situation-my daughter is 5 and we've been watching the RTD series on Netflix. The quality is jarring-much worse than I remembered. I think some people might have Rose-colored glasses (no pun intended) about that era.
And yes-Utopia is great-one of the best cliffhanger endings ever. Amazing.
infiniteloop
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If Matt regenerates Christmas 2014, he'll have been the current Doctor for pretty much 5 years, not a bad run at all.
brucewaynegretzky
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The thing I think is crazies is we're coming up on 10 years and no one is even blinking an eye that the show WILL continue. It's just a question of with who and in what format. For most shows at the ten year mark you really need to justify your continued existence. (See, e.g. How I met your mother)
The difference is, Who can go anywhere and do anything, it's not tied to a certain place or set of characters (Asides from the Doctor of course). And as long as the ratings are steady, it's not going anywhere.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, I think a lot of people don't think of it as 10 years, but 1 year followed by 4 years followed by 5 years. Basically, the fact you recast the main actor every so often essentially breaks up the show into chunks, to the point where people think of each Doctor as their own show, as opposed to one 10 year show that keeps recasting.
The meeting:
"What?" "What?" "What!?"
Yeah, this is pretty much the big secret to keeping the show feel fresh. Though the limited amount of episodes compared to an US show also helps.
Guess: Regeneration announced after/during the 50th to happen at the end of series 8. Moffat announces he's leaving and announces his successor, who then gets a 2 parter to set up some connecting plot threads like he got with River in the Library. And it's either Whithouse (pretty cool I guess) or Gatiss (Fuck).
APZonerunner
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The two parter idea is nice, but who knows - when Moffat was commissioned for a two parter in Series 4 and begin writing SiTL/FoTD he didn't know RTD wasn't doing series 5/hadn't been offered the job. That sort of happened while those episodes were evolving, but River was always there from the start anyway, as a future encounter. That said, it was known knowledge by the time the episode was shot, and he had a hand in casting Kingston and so on. That wasn't planned - you can see why they might want to replicate that, though.
Yea, I get the same, some of the leaps in quality between series 1-4 and 5+ just makes some of those older episode hard to watch, Some parts are just cringe worthy watching now to the point of changing the channel.
Hot Coldman
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Matt generates during the 50th, cuts to black before it finishes, Series 8 is a bunch of shit they did before the 50th.
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The Elite
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Not like this...
The Technomancer
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Man, I just don't know what some people use as a metric for quality. 5 and 6 are both chock full of truly mediocre stories that I barely remember.
PhoncipleBone
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I think it would be hilarious if them confirming Matt returning is all subterfuge to hide the fact that he regenerates during the 50th.
5 doesn't have a bad episode in it. Even WWII Daleks weren't thaaaat bad.
Just general stuff, from cringe worthy aliens to 10 over acting some terrible script he's been given to general effects across the series. Stories in general for Doctor Who are all a bit cheesy, it's what you expect going in.
A lot of people might really like Tennant but I've never really found him to be that great of an actor, at least generally in what I've seen him in, which was just made worse by what they had him saying and doing sometimes. Even with some of the nonsense we've gotten across 5-7 I personally prefer Matt as an actor and find him to be far more credible.
You are weird, man! :O
brucewaynegretzky
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For a lot of people it's the difference in effects budget it seems. I like 5. 6 bugs me a lot. 7 is somewhere in between. I like pretty much all of RTD better than 6 and 7. 5 definitely beats 3 and then the rust it gets muddy.
Hot Coldman
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EleventhDoctor
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I like the Silurians and I like the ending-but that fucking human family was bad. Should have been one episode.
APZonerunner
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Wow. Are you me? I think you might be. ...Though 2 beating 5 is probably a bit mental even for me, even with The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit, as those two and Tooth and Claw aside that's just a really middling series.
equippedwithtowel
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They really were.
Hot Coldman
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The ending was excellent, but it could have been attached to any other episode. That felt like Moffat wrote that and slapped it onto a blank space he'd forced Chibnall to leave.
Kinda amazing that I enjoyed Chibnall's episodes this series after that poor display, really.
The Technomancer
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Yeah, effects really never bothered me outside of, perhaps, one or two particularly atrocious examples. I dunno
Silurians didn't have nearly enough content for a two parter and didn't really do anything interesting, WWII Daleks was pretty bad (although not "really bad"), I strongly disliked Time of Angels and the Vampires of Venice just left me cold.
Finale was great, Amy's Choice was pretty great, Beast Below was nice, The Lodger was funny and Vincent and the Doctor was alright.
APZonerunner
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Like almost all Gatiss episodes (The Idiot's Lantern aside) there's a really good episode in there, and the Dalek dialogue and stuff is great, the play between the old and new types, etc. I even really like the 'love is the answer' solution to the Bracewell plot.
The biggest stain on that story is the horrid Dalek redesign, really.
The Technomancer
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The biggest strike I have against it is that it had to serve as the Dalek reintroduction episode, which meant that it couldn't really do anything else. Its plot basically amounts to "hey, look, Daleks!"
Bad may not be the right word. I feel the episode was empty
Bad may not be the right word. I feel the episode was empty
equippedwithtowel
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The characters of the professor and Churchill just felt so forced.
Plus the multicolored Daleks are fucking unforgivable.
Especially since they were never really put to use again.
Plus the multicolored Daleks are fucking unforgivable.
Especially since they were never really put to use again.
APZonerunner
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Well, they were meant to entirely replace the RTD 'Time War' Dalek - they talked about how them exterminating the 'impure' old-style ones created from Davros' DNA was meant to be symbolic - but the backlash to that rank design was such that they backpedaled and now have only featured them in the background in Asylum and such.
It is the only thing the series has done that I felt smacked a bit of a toy cash-grab. I still wonder.
equippedwithtowel
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Actually besides lolcontinuity is there any reason the doctor could actually visit Skaro in Asylum?
I would assume it would still be time locked/BTFU.
I would assume it would still be time locked/BTFU.
equippedwithtowel
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WTF double post.
I just cant understand how anyone can dislike the angels two parter, it might not be blink, but those episodes contain more edifying and interesting narrative elements and ideas than all of RTD's episodes put together, for me anyway. The only think I didnt like was seeing the angels move but its a peccadillo. Moffat is firing on all cylinders in those episodes.
equippedwithtowel
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Image of an angel can go fuck itself.
Hot Coldman
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That only made them scarier.
...until we saw them move, anyway. Personally, my least favourite addition to the Angel lore was them speaking through the dead soldier. It was neat, but also pretty lame when you think about it- monsters aren't usually improved by an ability to communicate with the protagonist.
APZonerunner
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Skaro is a political minefield.
The Seventh Doctor supposedly destroys it during Remembrance of the Daleks, but then in the introduction to the 8th Doctor TV Movie it talks about The Master being handed to the Daleks as part of some sort of peace treaty (which could, one supposes, easily be retconned to be a part of the war that nobody at the time realizes is such - wibbly wobbly - as Genesis was.
New Who decides to continue from the last mention of Skaro, the TV movie, ignoring Remembrance - but does talk about Skaro getting devastated in the war. They never say destroyed, though, unlike Gallifrey - just devastated.
So that'd tally with it being a wreck in Asylum, really. Still doesn't clean up the Remembrance thing, though. It's a shame that modern continuity poo-poos that story a bit, as it's one of McCoy's better stories.
I think Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone are bloody magnificent, but what you just said is really the greatest proof of all that the Angels aren't effective in the traditional Who villain role, and thus can't carry a two-parter as well. Some of Angel Bob's dialogue is downright amazing, and that guy's voice performance is brilliant, but they were still much better in Manhattan, silent once again.
The Seventh Doctor supposedly destroys it during Remembrance of the Daleks, but then in the introduction to the 8th Doctor TV Movie it talks about The Master being handed to the Daleks as part of some sort of peace treaty (which could, one supposes, easily be retconned to be a part of the war that nobody at the time realizes is such - wibbly wobbly - as Genesis was.
New Who decides to continue from the last mention of Skaro, the TV movie, ignoring Remembrance - but does talk about Skaro getting devastated in the war. They never say destroyed, though, unlike Gallifrey - just devastated.
So that'd tally with it being a wreck in Asylum, really. Still doesn't clean up the Remembrance thing, though. It's a shame that modern continuity poo-poos that story a bit, as it's one of McCoy's better stories.
I think Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone are bloody magnificent, but what you just said is really the greatest proof of all that the Angels aren't effective in the traditional Who villain role, and thus can't carry a two-parter as well. Some of Angel Bob's dialogue is downright amazing, and that guy's voice performance is brilliant, but they were still much better in Manhattan, silent once again.
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