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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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infiniteloop
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That's the rumour, yes.
If her plot had been the sole purpose of season six instead of crammed into half of it, it would have worked better, imo. That way things would have flowed more naturally, even if parts of it were still kinda crap. I'd have liked to have seen the little girl in New York a bit more than we got, as well as Mels. But hopefully I can just forget about her completely by season's end.
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Neil Gaiman writing another episode. We're not worthy!!
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I like Gaiman episodes.
Just think, though, you've got at least ten regenerations ahead of you!
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I am not alone!
Mind you, I didn't necessarily mind seeing more of her until they completely ruined her character in S6
In DWM a little while back, Moffat described Episode 12 in this manner:
The Hugo quote says he's on his third draft. That strikes me as just about manageable for the second half of this series. So... Gaiman script next year?
ScreenSplitter
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I'm looking forward to seeing how Moffatt does the send-off, and whether he even does have the send-off anytime soon. The marriage was also totally and completely forced, and he provided a very flimsy reason as to why they got married in the first place. Sorry, but it's a real downer. She's going to die. If he pulls the same shit with Oswin, I'll be very disappointed.
Regarding River Song: has there been any mention of her leaving? I've only heard things in the context of the Ponds.
Given her semi-companion status - appearing for a few episodes, but not a permanent fixture - I'd think it puts her in the same context as the Brig, who never really *left*, as such.
(Speaking of which: If this was RTD at the helm, he'd finish off Eleventh's run by having him upload a version of himself to the Library computer. I suspect that's not Moff's plan.)
Given her semi-companion status - appearing for a few episodes, but not a permanent fixture - I'd think it puts her in the same context as the Brig, who never really *left*, as such.
(Speaking of which: If this was RTD at the helm, he'd finish off Eleventh's run by having him upload a version of himself to the Library computer. I suspect that's not Moff's plan.)
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The marriage is my most hated aspect of last season because it could have been really good for the Doctor to fall in love with someone and deciding that he's finally found someone he wants to spend the rest of time with. But nope, they get married because its needed for some timey-wimey
Which is the singular problem with Moffat's arcs: he tries for emotional depth but he doesn't go far enough. He half-asses the emotional consequences, so everything feels cheap.
I thought it was "Eggs-Stir-Milk-Bake".
ScreenSplitter
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Not to mention The Doctor is basically shouting at her whilst they're getting married. Not exactly romantic.
Err... it's got to happen sooner or later!
Tizoc
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you forgot the best bro of all bros
Can't believe I forgot him! Bro-est of all bros of all the companions *salutes back*
Hmm, maybe worth rewatching her first scene.
Team Filler
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Finally watched the episode, and I'm in agreement with saying it's the best dalek episode since DALEK.
Also: I would do things to do things with Jenna. Oswin was great, and I'm certain that when she returns as a companion it will be after this episode in her timeline. The notion of somebody successfully fighting off Dalek conversion like she did is far too intriguing for the Doctor to just ignore, and would make for a fascinating companion.
Also: I would do things to do things with Jenna. Oswin was great, and I'm certain that when she returns as a companion it will be after this episode in her timeline. The notion of somebody successfully fighting off Dalek conversion like she did is far too intriguing for the Doctor to just ignore, and would make for a fascinating companion.
mightynine
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And now, fun time speculation based strictly on me pulling ideas out of thin air.
The Silence and Korvarian find out River's in the Library computer. They introduce a virus to once again make River want to kill the Doctor. River then becomes the Papal Mainframe (still think that voice sounded way too much like her without emotion).
Somewhere in all this, using what he learned to save Oswin (extracting her personality into a Flesh avatar or whatever), the Doctor manages to wipe the virus out of River-computer and then gets her personality into said avatar.
And that's one pay-off.
Somewhere in all this, using what he learned to save Oswin (extracting her personality into a Flesh avatar or whatever), the Doctor manages to wipe the virus out of River-computer and then gets her personality into said avatar.
And that's one pay-off.
acheron_xl
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I also agree, but that's not saying much. Most of the Dalek stories have been pretty mediocre.
It does kinda sound like faint praise, but it's harder to pinpoint when the daleks became crappy in the old series because of sheer volume. Honestly, Dalek was their last high point so it makes sense as a good watermark. Though thinking about it, Parting of the Ways was also a pretty fantastic dalek episode.
The Daleks work when they feel unstoppable. When they're not utterly defeated to crumbs as a species every time the Doctor comes along. This episode did that. They seemed too strong to be defeated and they, in the end, were not defeated.
R_thanatos
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Technically, River already left.
You know, it's actually somewhat depressing that Amy and Rory's daughter ends up inside a computer program. Granted, in a valiant way that's meant to be a happy ending, but just knowing that that's how her story ends is just sad.
i'm pretty sure there is a technology somewhere to save her of something ..The later doctor planned a way for her survivaland that might have been just a step of the process . her death had an impact on the doctor especially since he begins to know why she matterred so much
It's not like downloading a mind into another body hasn't been done.
From what I've gathered, here's how it went in the Classic series.
The Daleks became a huge hit thanks to their self-titled serial and "The Dalek Invasion of Earth". "The Chase" was considered weak but the 12-part epic "The Daleks' Master Plan" was considered awesome. As were the two Second Doctor serials "Power of the Daleks" and "Evil of the Daleks". They took a five year break, coming back in "Day of the Daleks" which was considered "meh". As were "Planet of the Daleks" and "Death to the Daleks" (the latter fans considered would have worked without them).
Following that was "Genesis of the Daleks", which shows their origin story, introduces their creator Davros and is often considered one of the greatest Doctor Who tales ever. Afterwards, Dalek stories were taken over by Davros constantly coming back from the dead, lessening the impact of the Daleks themselves (as seen in Destiny, Resurrection, and Revelation). They came back once more in "Remembrance of the Daleks" (an episode fans adore).
So just like New Who, the Dalek stories were a roller coaster. There were ups and downs.
I blame the estate of Terry Nation forcing an appearance once a year. Granted, Moffat learned it still applies to cameos with Season 6/32 (the dying Dalek in "The Wedding of River Song"). We could have done without the Daleks showing up in "Doomsday" or that awful Manhattan two-parter.
acheron_xl
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I like that they tried to make them creepier too. A bunch of crazy Daleks are more menacing than the garden variety, bloviating, shooty Daleks that run away at the end to set up the next appearance.
Yeah. Though they've now basically become a merge of the Daleks and the Cybermen and that's a bit weird. But I think I'm ok with it, I kind of hate the cybermen.
Never understood what people see in Remembrance of the Daleks. Other than a couple of callbacks to Who ancient history, anyways. But I've never found much to like in that particular era of Who as a whole.
ScreenSplitter
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My favourite were the zombie daleks. Jesus! Also yeah, the Cybermen are boring as fuck. Also thank god that Moffatt hasn't inherited RTD's desire to always kill off every Dalek at the end of a storyline, then getting the "BUT WE DESTROYED YOOH" next time we see them.
King of the Potato People
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It's Sylvester McCoy and Ace with a rocket launcher, putting Davros in a nervous breakdown and blowing up Skaro.
What's not to like?
Sylvester McCoy was the first proper scary Doctor... before the Eccleston.
Cheesoid sad....Cheesoid kill self....
My kids have no idea there will be a new companion, let alone who. This will blow their little minds
Hmm. Could the doctor get a new companion and only we know who she really is?
The Real Abed
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Just curious but was this part really really stupid? Or really really awesome? Because I'm not sure.
Hot Coldman
Banned
It was 5 seconds long, so it's pretty much impossible for it to be the former
WyndhamPrice
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I thought it was funny. I feel like there's always been this impression that the Doctor gets up to some silly shit when he's not travelling with a companion.
hardcastlemccormick
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Matt Smith is a very talented and lovable cheeseball. I'm glad they know how to use him.
Decent episode, don't think it was as good as Eleventh Hour despite all the hype
I'm also thinking that Oswin has e-mailed her mind to the Dalek collective & will concoct a body for herself in time for Christmas.
Although it was established in the Classic Series, I'm not keen on the Daleks 'converting' people - seems like that should be left to the Cybermen.
Also, those Dalek nanomachines seem a bit powerful - why don't they just drop them on every planet they want to invade?
Skaro being visit-able - it's never stated exactly what happened in the Time War, presumably Skaro had been abandoned before the Time Lock was activated.
Oswin's soufflés failed because Eggs-Stir-Min-Eight isn't a very good recipe :O
Needed more Special Weapons Dalek
This bothered me as as well, could someome remind me when this was done in the classic series? Nanomachines converting humans into fullblown daleks just didn't feel right too me somehow, even with how awesome the episode was in general. Oswins character and the plot twist was awesome but it doesn't seem to make much sense that an automated system in an insane asylum would convert her into a dalek, complete with all the machinery and firepower, and then chain her up.
DrForester
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Late reply, but was very much just a joke comment. Can't remember the gaffers name or I would have used it.
Exterminieren
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I like to imagine that the New Paradigm began by trying to hunt down the old Daleks, only to go sheepishly to ask for help when it dawned on them that they couldn't navigate doors.
Tizoc
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Neil Gaiman writing another episode?!
Music to my ears.
I want the source of this, it's brilliant.
The Technomancer
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Watching that again, is this a new set for the TARDIS interior?
It seems to have more staircases and more glowy translucent blue material then I remember.
Hot Coldman
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It's a different angle than we normally get.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
That's probably it. The style looks the same but there are various features that stood out to me as strange. Its very interesting contrasting this version to the version used for series 1-4, which was much heavier on the "hanging twisted masses of cables" and overall just grungier and a bit more organic.
grimshawish
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TARDIS set has been moved to new premises this year, likely a few changes in the move.
JonathanEx
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I think it's also dependent on how the TARDIS is lit - you could see some reaaal vast changes in what it looked like in S1-4 depending on how the director did it. Looked gorgeous with some golds, sometimes went colder etc.
Dr Zhivago
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