I think the interludes where they montage him are often far more effective than the full episodes because there's so much more left to the imagination.
Really? This is way more coral, I feel.
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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I think the interludes where they montage him are often far more effective than the full episodes because there's so much more left to the imagination.
Really? This is way more coral, I feel.
King of the Potato People
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Interesting! Yet I don't see how it's possible to top the Doctor's Wife.
bow chicka wow-wow
Kai Dracon
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Hot Coldman
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The whole "the TARDIS has a consciousnesses" thing makes the Master's paradox machine look super evil in retrospect, doesn't it? Poor Sexy. 
King of the Potato People
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The Technomancer
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The whole "the TARDIS has a consciousnesses" thing makes the Master's paradox machine look super evil in retrospect, doesn't it? Poor Sexy.
I think the TARDIS being conscious was a thing even before Doctor's Wife. Its certainly been described as being "alive" for ages.
Yeah seriously he was able to tinker the script for a year more than the other writers of series 6 due to budget delay so it will be tough.
Hot Coldman
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The difference between being told that and being shown that certainly has an impact, though.
EleventhDoctor
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Watching that again, is this a new set for the TARDIS interior?
It seems to have more staircases and more glowy translucent blue material then I remember.
This almost looks like a Doctor Seuss picture come to life.
Watching that again, is this a new set for the TARDIS interior?
It seems to have more staircases and more glowy translucent blue material then I remember.
Looks the same to me, but it's an angle we don't usually see.
The Real Abed
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I thought that too. I guess not. Question though.. which desktop theme is that? Eccleston and Tennant used "Coral". I'd be curious to know if the current control room has a theme name.Watching that again, is this a new set for the TARDIS interior?
It seems to have more staircases and more glowy translucent blue material then I remember.
That is Amy's best line in the entire show. I laughed so goddamn hard the first time.
Anenome?
Don't worry, I'm pretty sure this specific redesign was only for this episode. The rest of the five episodes will also have some sort of episode specific redesign however.
EleventhDoctor
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I actually really dug the new opening. I liked how the actor credits rippled in ther transition. Very classy looking...
Thought that was pretty weird as well; are the daleks a democracy now? I wonder if that will be expanded upon later in the series or if they were just running out of titles, having already faced the emperor, the creator, and a bunch of other important daleks. But prime minister really doesn't sound very menacing
you don't really need a democracy to have a parliament
hardcastlemccormick
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The Daleks are about as menacing as Roombas at this point, so make them British, who cares.
Monado Blade
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If the Daleks have a parliament I wonder what sort of ministries they have. I imagine the Ministry of Agriculture would be a terrible portfolio for an up and coming Dalek MP
I'm sensing a Spinoff on the horizon!
Monado Blade
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EGGScellent response.
Dalek 1: "I stand on the platform of EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! the deficit!"
Dalek 2: "Daleks have no concept of a budget."
I can't get that out of my head now. Eggs, stir, min, eight.
It may not be as good as The Doctor's Wife, but I'm sure we'll still get something of great quality from him.
Also, dat photoshoot:
And maybe it's just me, but the song playing was pretty catchy. In case anyone's interested, it's Feel The Love by Rudimental ft. John Newman.
My gf asked something after watching which was basically, if she was a dalek all along why didn't anyone hear the dalek voice on the intercom etc? I thought it could be maybe she filtered it or something because she's a genius, but that's me making stuff up- it wasn't explained or reasoned really.
It looked like it had been uploaded using shitty Instagram. Wasn't sure of the new logo either.
Box of Bunnies
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And wouldn't she have clued in to the fact that something was wrong when she didn't have to go to the loo for a year?
There's that also
When you start thinking about how it worked lots of holes appear and I don't like that much at all, because I did like the story and I did genuinely like the reveal, honest. It just feels that Moffat is being too creatively clever instead of science/logic clever.
she would probably know, but she is basically a conciousness trying to stay alive inside the dalek. Like the one on the dalek ship saying she has access to all her memories when they are relevant - the real person is locked away and just the body is being used. This is her trying to prevent that.
So basically denial
Well she did try and stop Dalek's with wood, which considering she knew all about them should have clued her in. But like someone said, it was just her consciousness in denial.
The first thing they hear from her is music, so the dalek isn't talking directly to the intercom.
No, no, I meant more when she was guiding the Doctor and Rory around the asylum. Wouldn't they have -logically- heard her native tongue then rather than the voice she thinks she has?
Start from the 2005 season, yea. All you need to know is that The Doctor is a crazy guy in a big time traveling blue box and you're set!
radioheadrule83
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It's as entertaining as ever, but I find some of the relationship drama horrendously cheesy -- its making me feel that I can't wait for Amy and Rory to go. "They subtract love. Don't let them!" --- *BARF AHJSDHKAHSJKAHJKSDHJKA S*
It's cool knowing that they can still go to Skaro, but honestly - I feel like the Daleks are a bit of a mess. The humanoids, the nanomachines (nanomachines are like science fiction God powers - you can do anything with them - and good point on why the Daleks never used that as a weapon btw!), their motives...
I was hoping this episode was going to make them scary again, and I did like the idea of them being able to kill people gradually and use the dead as weapons too, I like the idea of insane daleks being out there (only they're not now)..
I'm not looking forward to whatever deus ex machina crap they're going to pull to get Jenna out of the Dalek body she's in at the moment.
I actually like the idea of a Dalek companion though. A proper dalek though. Like an oversized K9!
It's cool knowing that they can still go to Skaro, but honestly - I feel like the Daleks are a bit of a mess. The humanoids, the nanomachines (nanomachines are like science fiction God powers - you can do anything with them - and good point on why the Daleks never used that as a weapon btw!), their motives...
I was hoping this episode was going to make them scary again, and I did like the idea of them being able to kill people gradually and use the dead as weapons too, I like the idea of insane daleks being out there (only they're not now)..
I'm not looking forward to whatever deus ex machina crap they're going to pull to get Jenna out of the Dalek body she's in at the moment.
I actually like the idea of a Dalek companion though. A proper dalek though. Like an oversized K9!
I think it'll have something to do with the Dalek pathweb, thus it's a Moffat's Gun, not a Russel T Machina.
In first conversation with the doctor in the asylum planet she plays the music again. The doctor also asks how she hacked the dalek technology.
She is alone in a room beyond intensive care, i think the only way she could talk anyone would be by hacking the pathweb or something.
Captain_Spanky
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There's that also
When you start thinking about how it worked lots of holes appear and I don't like that much at all, because I did like the story and I did genuinely like the reveal, honest. It just feels that Moffat is being too creatively clever instead of science/logic clever.
That's like every Moffat story ever though. Doctor Who tends to go for giddy fun sci-fi plots, not intricately layered and thought out pieces.
AFollowerNotALeader
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I wanted to like this episode, as a massive fan of everything with Daleks but a bunch of stuff ruined it for me:
1) The Daleks are now so pathetic that they have to ask the Doctor for help.
2) The Daleks are now a parliamentary democracy. What the hell?
3) There are a mix of RTD-era Daleks and the new hideous neon redesign, when it's been pretty much established that the two types of Daleks should hate each other in one of my favorite stories in the original Who:
Dr Rachel Jensen: Now, Doctor, will you please answer one question? Why are two Dalek factions fighting each other?
Doctor: Ace?
Ace: It's simple, isn't it? Renegade Daleks are blobs—
Doctor: *puzzled disapproval* Blobs?
Ace: —, Imperial Daleks are bionic blobs with bits added. Well, you can tell that Daleks are into racial purity, so one lot of Daleks reckon that the other lot of blobs are too different. They're mutants. Not pure in their blobbiness.
Doctor: Result?
Ace: They hate each others' chromosomes. To death.
-- From TVTropes "Remembrance of the Daleks" quotes page
That, and, y'know, the Moffat episode where the redesign happened.
Then I got excited because there was an entire planet full of old insane Daleks. So many types of Daleks, right? Will the Abomination be there?
Except apparently, all Daleks, (including the ones the Doctor specifically fought throughout his career, and we presumably have seen on-screen as other models) have been ret-conned into RTD-era Daleks. With the sole exception of what appears one Imperial Dalek in the scene where Pond is hallucinating.
Meh to Moffat.
Oswin is cute, although her name is dangerously close to names I've used for a variety of male characters in games which had my better half and I cracking up thoughout the episode (although her rocket-punching a Dalek would have drastically improved the episode).
1) The Daleks are now so pathetic that they have to ask the Doctor for help.
2) The Daleks are now a parliamentary democracy. What the hell?
3) There are a mix of RTD-era Daleks and the new hideous neon redesign, when it's been pretty much established that the two types of Daleks should hate each other in one of my favorite stories in the original Who:
Dr Rachel Jensen: Now, Doctor, will you please answer one question? Why are two Dalek factions fighting each other?
Doctor: Ace?
Ace: It's simple, isn't it? Renegade Daleks are blobs—
Doctor: *puzzled disapproval* Blobs?
Ace: —, Imperial Daleks are bionic blobs with bits added. Well, you can tell that Daleks are into racial purity, so one lot of Daleks reckon that the other lot of blobs are too different. They're mutants. Not pure in their blobbiness.
Doctor: Result?
Ace: They hate each others' chromosomes. To death.
-- From TVTropes "Remembrance of the Daleks" quotes page
That, and, y'know, the Moffat episode where the redesign happened.
Then I got excited because there was an entire planet full of old insane Daleks. So many types of Daleks, right? Will the Abomination be there?
Except apparently, all Daleks, (including the ones the Doctor specifically fought throughout his career, and we presumably have seen on-screen as other models) have been ret-conned into RTD-era Daleks. With the sole exception of what appears one Imperial Dalek in the scene where Pond is hallucinating.
Meh to Moffat.
Oswin is cute, although her name is dangerously close to names I've used for a variety of male characters in games which had my better half and I cracking up thoughout the episode (although her rocket-punching a Dalek would have drastically improved the episode).
Wasn't there at least a council of the Daleks in the past? I assume this is an evolution if that.
I'm fine with lol nanobots, but its 'the power of love' shit like in The Matrix that riles me for no reason.
'oh you have millions of molecule sized nanomachines PHYSICALLY changing you into a dalek. But just remember lurve and for some reason they won't work properly'
ick.
and Amy seriously leaves Rory because she can't have kids and thinks he'd be upset? Bit cheesy after all they've been through.
Well when you factor in TARDIS babelfish translator psychic residue-
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