EleventhDoctor
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You know-small nitpick I just realized...Brian should have already known about The Doctor and the TARDIS considering how the Doctor materialized at AmyRory's wedding.
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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Wait what? Not again. :/
True, but if we believe the suggested canon this took place almost literally right after he regenerated from 8->9 and after he had just killed off all of the other Timelords recently before regenerating. He was pretty pissed and not in control.
Future Foundation
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Amy was damn good this ep - "I'm easily worth two men, you can help too if you like."
Can't wait for ATCM next week, it'll be cool to see how the Doctor's actions tie into what happens in the next ep.
APZonerunner
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Yep. Full series now, filmed in front of a live studio audience for the first time since 1996.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7opdzX_4kE
Reports from audiences at those recordings have been markedly better than what fan reactions were like to Back to Earth, so my hopes are a little higher.
The Elite
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I was thinking this as well.
Incendiary
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Yeah, for suddenly getting zapped into a spaceship filled with dinosaurs, Rory's dad was pretty calm and collected. Guess it runs in the family.
Well he did have his trowel in case shit went down
I was wondering at the beginning of the episode if someone else played Rory's dad at the wedding as an extra. Anyone got a screenshot?
EleventhDoctor
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This IS Doctor Who which plays loose and fast with the continuity-but...in wibbly wobbly terms-I believe only the Time War is locked-not the entirety of time on Skaro.
Oh and this is at Teefury today...
He did vaguely remind me of Arthur Dent actually.
Between the Paranoid Androids (quite frankly those could've been from the Sirius Cybernetics Company) and Brian Williams, it all felt very hitch-hikery.
EleventhDoctor
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That's him.
It was presumably the man on the right (different actor) in this screencap. (Click for larger image)
It did, he could very well play an older Arthur Dent.
And his terrible acting. He worked well in Farscape and I tolerated him in SG1, but he just plays Ben Browder in everything he does and when he tries to put on an accent or do anything else he's just terribad.
Walder Frey and the groundskeeper in the Harry Potter movies.
Wrong Doctor.
Anyways I don't think the Doctor killing someone is out of character per-se, but he did seem more cavalier about it than usual. The aforementioned kill in the Tenth doctor's first show was accompanied with some degree of anger at least, and other times he's seemed to need to wrestle with his conscience a bit. Or he's had a companion (namely Rose in Dalek or Amy in Beast Below to name a couple from the new run) pull him back from outright murder.
The guy did commit genocide for pure profit. That fact was perhaps too far removed from the act to be clear though.
Skaro's status re. the time war has never been stated. But it's kinda continuity fucked already anyways. Abandoned some time after Genesis of the Daleks, destroyed in Remembrance of the Daleks and then mysteriously the site of a trial of the Master in the 1996 movie... yeah, Skaro can be whatever or wherever or whenever the author wants at this point.
This is the same Doctor that destroyed Dalek and Cybermen armada just to get information, ordered the genocide of the Silence, and didn't care too much when an Ood gets vaporized. While it might have been big news if it was Ten, it didn't seem too out of place with Eleven. With the exception of A Good Man Goes To War, Eleven doesn't seems as infatuated with the sanctity of life and the limitless potential of humanity.
Oh I think he's generally pretty enamoured with the sanctity of human life, and I'm not sure why it would mean he's not infatuated with the limitless potential of humanity. But then I always thought Ten's statements to that effect came off super condescending, and when humanity stepped outside the bounds of what he thought it should he was pretty quick to bring the hammer down ("Doesn't she look tired?"). Never mind the whole family of blood thing.
Anyways, the Doctor has never been a complete and utter pacifist. That's the point. He's had his moments of mercy and his moments of vengeance. The disconnect in this episode is just that he didn't really seem to even think he was killing the guy, and I can see how that puts some people off.
Ventilaator
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My take on the murder.
The Doctor's pacifism is his normal/neutral state, but that can swing. His first reaction is for everyone to live, but if you're gonna be a dick about it and not accept the out he gives you, you will pay. He ran from the Family of Blood who came back to be evil so the Doctor went "Well fuck you then" and did what he did. In the Tennant Sontaran two-parter he didn't want to blow up the Sontarans because he hadn't given them a choice to leave yet.
Solomon was being a real asshole and his response to "Missiles, dude" was "I'll steal your queen and shoot this dinosaur now", so the Doctor couldn't care less what happens to that guy.
The Doctor's pacifism is his normal/neutral state, but that can swing. His first reaction is for everyone to live, but if you're gonna be a dick about it and not accept the out he gives you, you will pay. He ran from the Family of Blood who came back to be evil so the Doctor went "Well fuck you then" and did what he did. In the Tennant Sontaran two-parter he didn't want to blow up the Sontarans because he hadn't given them a choice to leave yet.
Solomon was being a real asshole and his response to "Missiles, dude" was "I'll steal your queen and shoot this dinosaur now", so the Doctor couldn't care less what happens to that guy.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Solomon was a prick, I cheered when the Doctor left him stranded on his ship. He brought it on himself.
Liked the guest actors in this one. Lestrade and Nefertiti were pretty good Companions (ha, bonus points for them hooking up). Out back West for the next episode, huh?
Liked the guest actors in this one. Lestrade and Nefertiti were pretty good Companions (ha, bonus points for them hooking up). Out back West for the next episode, huh?
Amy rolling her eyes at them flirting was hilarious and they still hooked up. lolololol.
Did anyone else feel like they were trying to foreshadow Amy's death?
"No, come on Pond. You'll be there until the end of me."
"Or vice versa"
Then the Doctor just looks at her.
I get the impression that he knows something about Amy, or is worried or something.
Also, that guy is going to be so good in Game of Thrones next season.
"No, come on Pond. You'll be there until the end of me."
"Or vice versa"
Then the Doctor just looks at her.
I get the impression that he knows something about Amy, or is worried or something.
Also, that guy is going to be so good in Game of Thrones next season.
Bad Wolf.
Once he materialized the tardis around an actual police box that was actually another tardis. Not a word of a lie.
The death of Solomon seemed very much in character to me. Even just considering the modern series, Tennant was 'No second chances' in his debut.
Keep in mind that on top of deciding to keep his friend as a slave, Solomon told his robots to shoot an innocent and friendly animal just to get a point across and he also shot Tricie.
This is on top of killing thousands of refugees who taken the care to preserve the life on their planet beyond their own. Replace Silurians with 'Humans' and you may get why this is very much a 'fuck this guy and fuck him forever' sort of situation, even for The Doctor
I really enjoyed this episode, and having a cup of tea looking out on Earth is exactly what I'd want to do on the TARDIS as well. I am also amazed there wasn't a typical 'Bigger on the inside' moment with the elder Mr. Pond
Keep in mind that on top of deciding to keep his friend as a slave, Solomon told his robots to shoot an innocent and friendly animal just to get a point across and he also shot Tricie.
This is on top of killing thousands of refugees who taken the care to preserve the life on their planet beyond their own. Replace Silurians with 'Humans' and you may get why this is very much a 'fuck this guy and fuck him forever' sort of situation, even for The Doctor
I really enjoyed this episode, and having a cup of tea looking out on Earth is exactly what I'd want to do on the TARDIS as well. I am also amazed there wasn't a typical 'Bigger on the inside' moment with the elder Mr. Pond
JoshuaJSlone
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Heh. Must've been out with Mel.MDavis360 said:
Hot Coldman
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I would have liked to see Amy's parents again, they seemed fun, but ah well. Maybe in the Power of Three?
Beaniedude
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I liked that episode.
A nice solid romp. I did enjoy the what's his face person. "I reckon I can take one of them on." as he flourished his knife.
A nice solid romp. I did enjoy the what's his face person. "I reckon I can take one of them on." as he flourished his knife.
Exterminieren
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I never realised that Nefertiti disappeared from the historical record around 1332 BC. Her ending makes a lot more sense now.
Considering how everyone has said her departure is a massive tearjerker, you better board up your windows.
ScreenSplitter
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Good episode! Very good. Chock full of awesome guest stars. Mitchell & Webb deathbots, Lestrade from Sherlock, Ron's Dad and Filch as the villain.
Also, wtf, the Doctor straight up kills someone? Has he done that recently?!
Also, wtf, the Doctor straight up kills someone? Has he done that recently?!
Yeah, it would definitely make for a dramatic exit. Not sure if they've ever "killed off" a companion before.
Yeah, it would definitely make for a dramatic exit. Not sure if they've ever "killed off" a companion before.
Look up Adric and the serial "Earthshock".
StalkerUKCG
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All this talk about the doctor killing soloman is interesting.
We have seen moments of vengeance and cold bloodiness from the doctor sporadicly since he returned.
Makes you wonder how far are we from a Valeyard appearance. Said to be around the time of the doctors 12th incarnation he is all that was evil manifested.
The Dream Lord could of been the precursor to this.
We have seen moments of vengeance and cold bloodiness from the doctor sporadicly since he returned.
Makes you wonder how far are we from a Valeyard appearance. Said to be around the time of the doctors 12th incarnation he is all that was evil manifested.
The Dream Lord could of been the precursor to this.
Hot Coldman
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The Valeyard is kinda a hokey concept- if we're going to see the Doctor's dark side, I'd much prefer it be through the things he ends up doing rather than the cliché "I'm you, but evil!" character.
ScreenSplitter
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I am so up for a return of the Dream Lord, possibly more so than the Master. Loved him. And yeah, it is strange. He's doomed races before, and punished others (Family of Blood comes to mind), but not to my knowledge ever straight up pushed someone in the line of fire like he did Solomon. I mean hell, why didn't he just shoot Kovarian? Doctor be getting more vengeful!
Steven Moffat deleted his Twitter account: https://twitter.com/steven_moffat
I imagine he got tired of the hate comments.
I imagine he got tired of the hate comments.
ScreenSplitter
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Hate comments suck, but I was fairly tired of him being a huge cocktease with Sherlock/Doctor Who plot points. No huge loss.
APZonerunner
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To be honest, it's probably for the best. He had a really bad habit of snapping people's heads off if they said anything less than complimentary, and it just made him look bad. Not even talking about haters (of which I'm sure there were plenty), but people asking genuine questions that were perhaps a bit difficult would get their heads bitten off too.
It once materialised around an actual police box in the classic series
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