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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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hamchan

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Is it just me or is this season rather lackluster? I have not been feeling any of these episodes so far. The last one was probably the best so far but got destroyed by the terrible ending.

Not just you. Dinosaurs and Mercy were both rather weak episodes. The season opener was good but didn't really feel as epic as past openers, felt like an episode that could go in the middle of the season.
 

Mariolee

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I loved Daleks and Dinosaur, liked Mercy, and kinda-sorta could stand this latest episode. Angels in Manhattan looks incredible however, so I'll reserve my judgement.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Is it just me or is this season rather lackluster? I have not been feeling any of these episodes so far. The last one was probably the best so far but got destroyed by the terrible ending.

I feel the exact same way. I haven't really been in love with any of the episodes. I think Power of Three came the closest to giving me what I wanted out of Who, but a lot of the plot points felt rushed.

But if I was to be perfectly honest, I enjoyed any single episode of the previous season more than what we've gotten so far in Season 7. Yes, I enjoyed The Black Spot more than Dinosaurs on a Spaceship or A Town Called Mercy.

It's hard to explain, but something just feels off about this current season. Like it is just on cruise control.
 

Quick

Banned
Waters of Mars is my favourite New Who episode of all time.

There, I said it first.

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Is it just me or is this season rather lackluster? I have not been feeling any of these episodes so far. The last one was probably the best so far but got destroyed by the terrible ending.

I couldn't stand the premier, but the last three episodes have been pretty good. A Town Called Mercy was amazing.

Waters of Mars is my favourite New Who episode of all time.

There, I said it first.

Agreed. It's my favorite New Who, and in my Top 5 of all Doctor Who stories. So fantastic.
 
Took a picture of that girls story for you all. Keep in mind she's six, so there will be grammatical errors and dodgy sentence structures.

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I think I've got her handwriting to an exceptional standard for her age.
 

Jintor

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Not just you. Dinosaurs and Mercy were both rather weak episodes. The season opener was good but didn't really feel as epic as past openers, felt like an episode that could go in the middle of the season.

Mercy was the only one that I wasn't feeling at all. Dalek I'm half and half with but Dinosaurs and Power of Three were mostly enjoyable.
 

Diablos54

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I'd say so far it's been, AotD > DonS > PoT > ATCM. Not to say Mercy was bad at all, it was still a decent episode. So I'd say, barring some sort of meltdown next week, Season 7a has been pretty great. I just wish it was a bit longer.
 
The words I thought I would never utter.

MOFFAT. FOR GOD SAKE GO!!!!

Dinos on a Spaceship
Power of Three

How the fuck can a hack like Chris Chibnell be allowed to write two episodes let alone one. Fair enough, under the gay mafia of RTD, perhaps he had scandelous videos of Russell performing blowjobs in the back of the Fitzroy Tavern...but Moffat is a straight, married man with kids...he has NO REASON WHATSOVER for giving Chibnell one, let alone two episodes to write. The man who complained publicly on British TV about how crap the late 80's McCoy era writes two scripts bad enough to sit back to back with Delta and the Bannermen.

It's time for Who to rest now. Moffat's production is looking tired. Matt Smith has gone from endearing to plain fucking annoying in three seasons and The Ponds...oh god...please fucking die.

We need to stop focusing on your homophobia & start focusing on your misuse of "let alone"...
 

gabbo

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Mercy was the only one that I wasn't feeling at all. Dalek I'm half and half with but Dinosaurs and Power of Three were mostly enjoyable.

For me, Dinosaurs = Mercy > Dalek >= Power of Three.
They've all been enjoyable, but Dalek felt like a set up and will only feel 'complete' when said setup pays off. Power was fun in and of itself (and even better with the realization it happened before Mercy), but the alien ending was a let down.

I'm not really looking forward to next week so much because where goes River, goes unfulfilling story
 

Amir0x

Banned
I'm definitely Asylum -> Mercy -> Dinosaurs -> Power

I think Power had some interesting conversations over it, but it's the first time I felt this really needed to be fleshed out and made into a two-parter. Overall it seemed like it took too long to get started, but then rushed too quickly once it did. And it was a pretty cool concept, so I think it was a missed opportunity.
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
I'd say so far it's been, AotD > DonS > PoT > ATCM. Not to say Mercy was bad at all, it was still a decent episode. So I'd say, barring some sort of meltdown next week, Season 7a has been pretty great. I just wish it was a bit longer.
That's my current rank too before doing a rewatch. AotD and DonS were fun from start to end to me. Mercy wasn't bad but it lost a bit of steam after marshall Isaac got shot. I would appreciate it more if shit hit the fan at that moment instead of them going to spend the night, but it felt like they had to stretch it to fill one episode. Still a good episode anyway, and it was visually great throughout. PoT had the opposite issue where the end felt rushed. All four were solid in my book, interesting concepts, managing to keep it episodic with a thematic string building up to something bigger.
 

Emitan

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I fell asleep watching Doctor Who and now I've noticed I've subtly added a bit of Amy's accent to my voice. I'm American. What.
 

Mariolee

Member
I fell asleep watching Doctor Who and now I've noticed I've subtly added a bit of Amy's accent to my voice. I'm American. What.

I've also noticed since I've been watching the Doctor Who that I'm beginning to talk more like the Eleventh Doctor. Not the accent, but just the fast moving childlike yet intelligent way he goes about. I've realized not many people find it as charming as they do in the show. :(
 
Frankly, I'm really happy that Chibnall has these heretofore unknown and fabulous mafia connections. Dinosaurs pretty much made me squeeful from beginning to end, and until the last ten minutes Power of Three was top tier Who. I enjoyed Mercy but felt it was pretty heavy handed in what it was trying to portray. Asylum seemed like a mess. I've watched it twice, both while distracted in some way or another (at an SF convention with a girl and then at a party I was hosting, respectively), so I'll have to really give it a third go.

But for now I'm Dinosaurs > Three > Mercy > Asylum.
 

PowderedToast

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i feel like i'm watching highlights this season, things move way too fast. a lot of important character arcs seem to be happening off screen and it's just assumed that we can fill in the blanks.

that moment at the beginning of the power of three was just absurd, rory introduces the concept of having two lives in about 3 lines before amy immediately agrees and it becomes an accepted character development - just extremely rushed.
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
The whole Amy and Rory broken up and then back together again in Asylum felt weird.
It felt slightly more natural to me because I was expecting the episode to go there since they were shown fighting in the Pond Life specials.

On that note, I like how these mini-episodes are important but at the same time I wish they managed to work the content in actual episodes. The same with Night and the Doctor, they were short but I felt they did a good job in conveying the Doctor and River's relationship by showing them having nighttime adventures of their own, including a "first date" and a mention of the Library. Also, it was a sweet moment when the Doctor talked about how memories work to Amy when she was worried about her life not making sense and confused by the fact she remembers two versions of it (before and after the big bang).
 

Mariolee

Member
It felt slightly more natural to me because I was expecting the episode to go there since they were shown fighting in the Pond Life specials.

On that note, I like how these mini-episodes are important but at the same time I wish they managed to work the content in actual episodes. The same with Night and the Doctor, they were short but I felt they did a good job in conveying the Doctor and River's relationship by showing them having nighttime adventures of their own, including a "first date" and a mention of the Library. Also, it was a sweet moment when the Doctor talked about how memories work to Amy when she was worried about her life not making sense and confused by the fact she remembers her life before and the after big bang.

However, Night and the Doctor suffered from "Moffat has too many good creative ideas and can't pace his shit so he stuffs it all into short amounts of time" syndrome. I still really liked them though, it's just the pacing.
 

WanderingWind

Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Nu-Who is like sex, for me. When it's terrible, it's still better than most things you could be doing. When it's good, it's the best thing on earth.

This season is like, decent sex. Happy I have it, but nothing to brag to the boys about.
 

Santiako

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Nu-Who is like sex, for me. When it's terrible, it's still better than most things you could be doing. When it's good, it's the best thing on earth.

This season is like, decent sex. Happy I have it, but nothing to brag to the boys about.

And in both cases, you are thinking about a hot redhead.
 

Jintor

Member
Doctor Who is one of those shows where I like the general 'gist' of it a lot more than I do any specific storyline or package as a whole. There's always something in there that makes up for the other guff.
 

8bit

Knows the Score
Just saw these two gifs, I knew about the charger connection but I didn't realize they were wearing the same clothes. Neat.

I think that A Town Called Mercy has to have happened partway through the Power of Three.

I'll be glad if this is the last appearance of River Song. I've grown tired of her character.
 

hamchan

Member
Yeah they need to just film the singing towers of Darillium scene, then we can cry, then we can say goodbye to River forever.
 

isny

napkin dispenser
Took a picture of that girls story for you all. Keep in mind she's six, so there will be grammatical errors and dodgy sentence structures.

I think I've got her handwriting to an exceptional standard for her age.

Her handwriting is better than mine. Granted most girls have better handwriting than guys anyways.
 

Gregorn

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Took a picture of that girls story for you all. Keep in mind she's six, so there will be grammatical errors and dodgy sentence structures.

http://i.imgur.com/H5N14.jpg[IMG]

I think I've got her handwriting to an exceptional standard for her age.[/QUOTE]

Wow, school hasn't changed at all. I thought everyone would be using ipads and computers, not pencils and pritt sticks still.

I love how [I]everyone [/I]starts writing with good handwriting and then towards the end you're just like 'ah, fuck it".
 

hamchan

Member
That part is already on the shorts. It shows them leaving to go there.

I know. They need to have the Doctor crying and giving his screwdriver though with the towers in the back. It would be such an emotional scene, I can already picture it in my head. Also it would confirm that River would be gone from the series forever from that scene onwards.
 

Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
Are there any news regarding Alex Kingston's involvement in the series? I'd guess they have a proper send off scene planned for when it's decided she won't be appearing in Who anymore.
 

Patryn

Member
Yeah, I agree. I would have liked more of the dark Doctor in The End of Time, maybe having him only starting to come around near the end of the first episode. That was probably my biggest disappointment with it. I think that we might have gotten more of that with RTD's original planned finale.

Original planned finale? What? Do we know what it was going to be?
 
Original planned finale? What? Do we know what it was going to be?

I'm not sure if this is what Kuwubara was referring to, but a plan that RTD often writes about in The Writer's Tale is Tennant's sendoff to be a really small-scale affair; he turns up on a small spaceship with a family of aliens in it, and the engine's about to explode, and can only be fixed with a similar set of doors to the radiation chamber in The End of Time. The Doctor takes his place, sacrificing himself for one of the "little people".

Up until the day RTD wrote the scene, he had a random technician in the booth instead of Wilf for the Doctor to save. Personally I think that would have closed the arc better than the Doctor sacrificing himself for one of his best friends, but whatever.
 

JordanKZ

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Are there any news regarding Alex Kingston's involvement in the series? I'd guess they have a proper send off scene planned for when it's decided she won't be appearing in Who anymore.

I think it'll probably be when the Doctor dies. I may be completely wrong about this, but I thought it was the first time she meets him, he dies and we've already seen how she dies the first time he meets her.

I might have that completely balls wrong. But maybe when the current Doctor 'dies', she'll make her first chronological appearance? I mean, current River Song. No wait. That was in Let's Kill Hitler. Oh I just don't even know :(
 
Spoiler free-review:

We're not going to say much more, because you really don't want this episode spoiled. So we'll come to the crux of it: did we love The Angels Take Manhattan? No, although we'd bet that many of you will. But it's nonetheless a good episode, that's excellent when its focus more overtly shifts to what we know is coming.

Our advice for Saturday night? Lower your expectations just a little, get some tissues ready, and prepare for a good, moving episode of Doctor Who. It's just a shame we won't get any more until Christmas...

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/22790/doctor-who-the-angels-take-manhattan-spoiler-free-review
 

Patryn

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I'm not sure if this is what Kuwubara was referring to, but a plan that RTD often writes about in The Writer's Tale is Tennant's sendoff to be a really small-scale affair; he turns up on a small spaceship with a family of aliens in it, and the engine's about to explode, and can only be fixed with a similar set of doors to the radiation chamber in The End of Time. The Doctor takes his place, sacrificing himself for one of the "little people".

Up until the day RTD wrote the scene, he had a random technician in the booth instead of Wilf for the Doctor to save. Personally I think that would have closed the arc better than the Doctor sacrificing himself for one of his best friends, but whatever.

Oh, right. That. Forgot that was the original plan.
 
I think it'll probably be when the Doctor dies. I may be completely wrong about this, but I thought it was the first time she meets him, he dies and we've already seen how she dies the first time he meets her.

I might have that completely balls wrong. But maybe when the current Doctor 'dies', she'll make her first chronological appearance? I mean, current River Song. No wait. That was in Let's Kill Hitler. Oh I just don't even know :(

The first time River sees The Doctor is in Let's Kill Hitler when she regenerates from her 'Mel' form. She gets given the diary from The Doctor eventually (from his memories of being 10 he knows that she dies in the library) and from that she knows everything she has to go through to get to that point. Obviously the last time we see her in her sequence of events is the library where she 'dies'.

Events like the crash of the byzantium, for example, are in the diary because for Eleven he's already experienced it (with a later version of River) and then knows what to put in the diary.

I think.
 

Locke_211

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Technically the first time River EVER sees the Doctor is when she's a little girl in the spacesuit at the close of the Season 6 opener, "The Impossible Astronaut". Or going back even younger, when she's a newborn baby in "A Good Man Goes to War".
 

livestOne

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Is it just me or is this season rather lackluster? I have not been feeling any of these episodes so far. The last one was probably the best so far but got destroyed by the terrible ending.

Most people seem to be enjoying it, but I'm not a big fan of Moffat's "It's a kids show guys!" direction this season.
 

Cptkrush

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Most people seem to be enjoying it, but I'm not a big fan of Moffat's "It's a kids show guys!" direction this season.

Because I've accepted it's a family show, I've been enjoying it a lot, but after finally watching Sherlock this week, I feel like DWho could use some of that treatment. A little darker and twisted.
 
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