Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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Future Foundation said:
The whole thing, if I remember, generated from a line in Let's Kill Hitler when Rory (after Mels regenerates) complains of a "banging in his head". Then there was, what people believed to be, "overly aggressive behavior for Rory".

I think that was it.
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Also River being a time lord too. The being conceived on the TARDIS always felt like a weak explanation to me.
 
I'd like Rory to be the Master. That would be such a huge twist. Especially since I like Rory way more than Amelia. I'd be sad but so excited...
 
Rory is the Master ranks second only to Donna being the Master. Both are equally silly theories. I don't care how cute the girl is on the YouTube video.

I am absolutely devastated that I am working until 11 tonight. It's unlikely any Who fans will come into the resteraunt after 9, but if I overhear anybody spoil, they'll be wearing their Carbonara as a hat.
 
DoctorWho said:
Where the fuck are people pulling this Rory is the Master stuff from?
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Probably this video. Fan speculation is always fun, but Moffat's era is more about pushing his own characters (River, Weeping Angels, Amy & Rory) rather than paying homage to older Who villains as a big . I mean, he's not above referencing earlier eras with the Silurians and such, but I think the whole Master reveal has been done too many times, and in Yana's case was built up really well.

If the Master does come back under Moffat's tenure, I expect it to be done a lot better.
 
ScreenSplitter said:
Because Amy & Rory are leaving? Or the Beeb trying to fit the departure of arguably the two best companions ever into 45 minutes after they gave Rose "Boring" Tyler a double parter?
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Well it seemed like last week was kind of a farewell tour type of episode for the Ponds as well. But yes, hate Rose.
 
KuwabaraTheMan said:
That was my biggest problem with the Series 6 arc. They say up front "it's really the Doctor, not a robot" and then 12 episodes later "lulz, it was actually a robot all along".
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In the same season that they introduced the concept of the gangers! It was like the weirdest bait and switch ever, and not in a good way.
 
aceface said:
Well it seemed like last week was kind of a farewell tour type of episode for the Ponds as well. But yes, hate Rose.
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I just get annoyed that

A) They seem obsessed with splitting the series in half.
B) The only episode worthy of a two parter is apparently, a boring "He's the real ___"! Shoot him!" story.
 
Aren't the writers/producers/creative people more in charge of whether an episode is a two-parter than the BBC?

Pretty sure the team is given an episode order and then out of that five it's up to them how they divide it up narratively?
 
RichardAM said:
Aren't the writers/producers/creative people more in charge of whether an episode is a two-parter than the BBC?

Pretty sure the team is given an episode order and then out of that five it's up to them how they divide it up narratively?
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Whoever decides it, I think it's a pretty silly idea. You could argue less is more, but this is Amy & Rory! They're far more deserving than some silly clone-off.
 
Oh I agree of course. I was disappointed that it was only the five episodes and just one for that mid-finale.

I'd like to argue it made for a leaner-tighter season, but given last week's effort i;m not so sure...
 
It also wouldn't make sense for the Gangers to still stay intact after getting shot, and somehow emulate regeneration.
 
Billiechu said:
everyone is a future reincarnation of the doctor who's been turned human for some reason
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I once had a thought that an ingenious way they could do a surprise regeneration of the Doctor was to have him get a new companion who is all mysterious, go through a season throwing out hints that it's the Master or whatnot, then have it at the end of the season turn out that the companion was actually the next incarnation of the Doctor and end with the Doctor regenerating into them. The absence of the Doctor having the Tardis could even be explained, because the future version of that Doctor (the companion one) stole it from the newly regenerated one, leaving the regen one to be picked up by the past Doctor.
 
BatDan said:
It also wouldn't make sense for the Gangers to still stay intact after getting shot, and somehow emulate regeneration.
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Maybe. I still think the Tessalecta, while not a strict DEM, was still really stupid and a cop-out. But then the real issue was that they set up the season with "The Doctor dies" probably knowing there was no way to really make that work.
 
infiniteloop said:
William Russell needs to come back.
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Yes. No better time than the 50th, and dude isn't getting any younger. Nearing 90.
The Technomancer said:
In the same season that they introduced the concept of the gangers! It was like the weirdest bait and switch ever, and not in a good way.
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I thought that was fine. If we the audience assume the Doctor has a workaround, at least we've been given multiple possibilities so we're not sure which it will be. Well, at least until they remind us about which one is important in a "Previously on".
BatDan said:
It also wouldn't make sense for the Gangers to still stay intact after getting shot, and somehow emulate regeneration.
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The human gangers were "stabilized into normal humans" or whatever; same hokery could make a regeneratable Time Lord?
 
Patryn said:
I once had a thought that an ingenious way they could do a surprise regeneration of the Doctor was to have him get a new companion who is all mysterious, go through a season throwing out hints that it's the Master or whatnot, then have it at the end turn out that the companion was actually the next incarnation of the Doctor and end with the Doctor regenerate into them. The absence of the Doctor having the Tardis could even be explained, because the future version of that Doctor (the companion one) stole it from the newly regenerated one, leaving the regen one to be picked up by the past Doctor.
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As a basic plot, not bad. But wouldn't it mean that there's a second TARDIS lying around somewhere? If you tie that up with the TARDIS blowing up, then Doctor Prime (actual Doctor) wouldn't have one to pick up Companion Doctor. And time itself would be screwed to begin with.
 
Quick said:
As a basic plot, not bad. But wouldn't it mean that there's a second TARDIS lying around somewhere? If you tie that up with the TARDIS blowing up, then Doctor Prime (actual Doctor) wouldn't have one to pick up Companion Doctor. And time itself would be screwed to begin with.
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No, you don't. The Tardis gets taken by Doctor X later in his timeline. After the revelation that the companion is the Doctor, he takes the Tardis from his newly regenerated version. That's why the new one doesn't have his - his future version stole it from himself!
 
Are we still talking about Rory here? Because as absolutely ludicrous and kinda stupid as that sounds it would make lines like "you're turning me into you!" that much better.
 
I think it'd be neat if the Master was the one who founded the Silence, but lost control of it to the aliens. After all, no-one hates the Doctor more than him.
 
Patryn said:
No, you don't. The Tardis gets taken by Doctor X later in his timeline. After the revelation that the companion is the Doctor, he takes the Tardis from his newly regenerated version. That's why the new one doesn't have his - his future version stole it from himself!
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That still means two TARDISes. Future Doctor wouldn't just abandon the TARDIS to be picked up by his past self's own. You just made a set event that goes in a circle: Doctor Prime travels with Companion Doctor, Doctor Prime regenerates into Companion Doctor, Companion Doctor ditches Doctor Prime, and Doctor Prime gets picked up by Doctor Prime-2, thus becoming Companion Doctor, and knowing what to do later on.

Ah, screw it. Wibbly Wobbly, Timey Wimey.

I really had to think that over. Really. :lol
 
The Technomancer said:
Maybe. I still think the Tessalecta, while not a strict DEM, was still really stupid and a cop-out. But then the real issue was that they set up the season with "The Doctor dies" probably knowing there was no way to really make that work.
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The Tessalecta was beyond dumb. The whole "The Doctor dies" whilst it's still making the BBC mad cash was, inevitably, dumb. The ganger subplot was also pretty dumb. A good portion of Season 6 was just awful.

Patryn said:
I once had a thought that an ingenious way they could do a surprise regeneration of the Doctor was to have him get a new companion who is all mysterious, go through a season throwing out hints that it's the Master or whatnot, then have it at the end of the season turn out that the companion was actually the next incarnation of the Doctor and end with the Doctor regenerating into them. The absence of the Doctor having the Tardis could even be explained, because the future version of that Doctor (the companion one) stole it from the newly regenerated one, leaving the regen one to be picked up by the past Doctor.
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I actually really like this. Much better than the whole River thing.

JoshuaJSlone said:
The human gangers were "stabilized into normal humans" or whatever; same hokery could make a regeneratable Time Lord?
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Oh yes, probably. The ganger fluid is pretty much magic elixir, let's face it. It has no restrictions or limits, really.
The Technomancer said:
Are we still talking about Rory here? Because as absolutely ludicrous and kinda stupid as that sounds it would make lines like "you're turning me into you!" that much better.
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I really like it just as a symbolic, clever writing thing than a literal thing. Moffat's a better writer than that... I think? This is the guy who gave us The DoctorBot 5000.
Green Scar said:
I think it'd be neat if the Master was the one who founded the Silence, but lost control of it to the aliens. After all, no-one hates the Doctor more than him.
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Is it really pure hatred? I always figured it was more a Joker/Batman relationship. The "Silence" would be a nice play on words after all that drum-beating though. I would say The Doctor name-dropping Master in S7E3 meant something, but we've already had mentions of Jack, Rose, Donna and Martha, (and technically Adric & others if you read into lines), but they're not coming back.
 
Quick said:
That still means two TARDISes. Future Doctor wouldn't just abandon the TARDIS to be picked up by his past self's own. You just made a set event that goes in a circle: Doctor Prime travels with Companion Doctor, Doctor Prime regenerates into Companion Doctor, Companion Doctor ditches Doctor Prime, and Doctor Prime gets picked up by Doctor Prime-2, thus becoming Companion Doctor, and knowing what to do later on.

Ah, screw it. Wibbly Wobbly, Timey Wimey.

I really had to think that over. Really. :lol
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There aren't. If Doctor Ya (the one who has traveled as a Companion) immediately takes the Tardis after Doctor X has regenerated into Doctor Y, the loop is closed. That means that Doctor Y no longer has a Tardis (and never did), because Doctor Ya has it. Thus explaining why Doctor Y goes to become a companion with Doctor X, because he knows that at the end of it, he'll get his Tardis back.

The Tardis ownership thus goes thus: Doctor X (with Doctor Y as a companion unknowingly) -> Doctor Ya (Doctor Y after being a companion).

But this is getting a little too fanficcy and fanwanky, so I'm going to leave it as this.
 
Patryn said:
There aren't. If Doctor Ya (the one who has traveled as a Companion) immediately takes the Tardis after Doctor X has regenerated into Doctor Y, the loop is closed. That means that Doctor Y no longer has a Tardis, because Doctor Ya has it. Thus explaining why Doctor Y goes to become a companion with Doctor X, because he knows that at the end of it, he'll get his Tardis back.
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So he willingly abandons himself?
 
ScreenSplitter said:
Is it really pure hatred? I always figured it was more a Joker/Batman relationship. The "Silence" would be a nice play on words after all that drum-beating though. I would say The Doctor name-dropping Master in S7E3 meant something, but we've already had mentions of Jack, Rose, Donna and Martha, (and technically Adric & others if you read into lines), but they're not coming back.
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I don't think it was ever a Batman/Joker relationship. The Master is an egotist, and the Doctor is the only one who has stopped him from fulfilling his plans. From the Master's point of view, the Doctor's continued existence is the one obstacle to him becoming a god, essentially. He'd love to have him out of the picture.

Of course, he's also arrogant enough to keep around to show him the Earth burning, when he really should know better.
 
Green Scar said:
I don't think it was ever a Batman/Joker relationship. The Master is an egotist, and the Doctor is the only one who has stopped him from fulfilling his plans. From the Master's point of view, the Doctor's continued existence is the one obstacle to him becoming a god, essentially. He'd love to have him out of the picture.

Of course, he's also arrogant enough to keep around to show him the Earth burning, when he really should know better.
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This reminds me.

Ten: "I forgive you"
Ten: "Davros, come with me"

A few years earlier, Ten: "No second chances. I'm that sort of a man" Ha ha.
 
BBC Player has opened my eyes to the hypnotism of people making fools of themselves on an obstacle course...

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It's time...

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Bring on the bird people and angel human hybrids!
 
Here we go then. After seeing that trailer -- Is Merlin any good? Never actually watched it, but I know it was birthed off the back of Who's success.
 
man this episode has the undercurrent of tragedy already

Doctor ripping out the page and saying he hates endings

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oh shi--

In Memory of Rory...
 
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