Or another David Tennant batch! "Meanwhile at the 14th Doctors house..."
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Yerd
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I stopped watching after the Capaldi doctor. I didn't much like him as the doctor and barely made it through that. I kept watching only because of built up good will from the previous doctor's I did like. I saw clips of the next lady doctor and didn't care to watch that. Then I stopped caring much about Doctor Who. Being a straight white villain myself, and seeing that hilarious twitter pic, why would I bother with any Doctor Who now, it's not for me.
I wanted to see the other lady as the doctor instead of Capaldi. I don't know the actor's name or character name but she had been in the show several times and was an antagonist to Doctor Who already. Same species as the doctor and was previously a man. I'm sure bigger fans would know who I am thinking about.
I wanted to see the other lady as the doctor instead of Capaldi. I don't know the actor's name or character name but she had been in the show several times and was an antagonist to Doctor Who already. Same species as the doctor and was previously a man. I'm sure bigger fans would know who I am thinking about.
Tams
Member
Do you mean Michelle Gomez, who played Missy (The Master)?
Yerd
Member
Yep
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
I might download and watch just the Moffat-penned episode ("Boom" I believe?), to see how that fares for curiosity. But generally speaking, the franchise has been utterly dead for so long that I don't know even former Whovians who care. And I did know a handful of die-hards back in the Matt Smith era, none of whom even bother to check the news on the franchise anymore, they're all out.
(I did of course watch the Tennant return with a tiny bit of hope months ago, but stopped after the one travesty of a trans-propaganda fest, unbelievable that they wasted a beloved return on that; better for RTD to die or go away forever than to let him keep trashing the franchise)
(I did of course watch the Tennant return with a tiny bit of hope months ago, but stopped after the one travesty of a trans-propaganda fest, unbelievable that they wasted a beloved return on that; better for RTD to die or go away forever than to let him keep trashing the franchise)
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RaptorGTA
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Disney is gonna have order more episodes. If not, then it would only be the BBC funding the show.
If that happens, then I would assume a new doctor is introduced but a reduction of episodes per season. Maybe 6 per season with lower budget.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
How long did Tenant and Smith last? I feel like way longer than this guy. Was that the peak of this shows popularity?
While I'm sure there are some issues with ratings, you can see the dwindling viewership and fewer eps as the show progressed.
List of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present) - Wikipedia
Popularity peaked with the end of Tenats run and tenat/smith/capaldi had 36-39 eps each, while the woman got only 26 and new guy is likely petering out at 16. Eccleson did the heavy work of rebooting the series (what they are trying to claim the new guy is doing) but those next 2 doctors really were the peak.
FunkMiller
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While I'm sure there are some issues with ratings, you can see the dwindling viewership and fewer eps as the show progressed.
List of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present) - Wikipedia
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Popularity peaked with the end of Tenats run and tenat/smith/capaldi had 36-39 eps each, while the woman got only 26 and new guy is likely petering out at 16. Eccleson did the heavy work of rebooting the series (what they are trying to claim the new guy is doing) but those next 2 doctors really were the peak.
Internationally, it was definitely Matt Smith’s era that was the most popular. They had a potential global hit on their hands - and fucked it by casting old man Capaldi. Utterly stupid move.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Nah, Dr Who just needs good writers and charismatic character (any will suffice)
FunkMiller
Member
Actually, it's the opposite. The Doctor works best when played by a young man pretending to be a very old one.
Tom Baker - 40 when he started
David Tennant - 34 when he started
Peter Davison - 29 when he started
Matt Smith - 26 when he started
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Tams
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While I'm sure there are some issues with ratings, you can see the dwindling viewership and fewer eps as the show progressed.
List of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present) - Wikipedia
Popularity peaked with the end of Tenats run and tenat/smith/capaldi had 36-39 eps each, while the woman got only 26 and new guy is likely petering out at 16. Eccleson did the heavy work of rebooting the series (what they are trying to claim the new guy is doing) but those next 2 doctors really were the peak.
Some quite interesting trends there. We shouldn't read too much into them, as we'll never really know, but there are observations that you be made.
- People were excited for the reboot. Ecclestone did a fantastic job.
- Tennant cemented Dr. Who and was the most popular, in a sustainable way too.
- Smith carried the torch fantastically too, with no real drop in popularity.
- People were interested in Capaldi, but slowly became tired of his Doctor (probably due to his Doctor being too broody).
- People were still interested in a new Doctor and it being a woman was quite a lot of that appeal (one of the highest viewerships). It clearly did not pay off (straight down to the lowest at the time).
- 15th Doctor... lol. People were clearly fed up with it, weren't getting what they wanted from it, and had no faith that it would be rescued.
Tams
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Dr. Who's international appeal is almost certainly the same reason Mr. Bean and Monty Python are popular internationally.
Of course, there are British elements to it, but the international appeal is the hearty pottiness and slapstick. That is a universal language. Tennant, and especially Smith, were great at that, with big, clear gestures clearly explaining what was happening. And it pretty much has to be someone at least somewhat young to do that. Also, at the end of the day, Dr. Who is a family/children's show that is (or at this point was) supposed to teach some morals and values as well as be entertaining. The same things that get the attention of children are those that translate well across languages.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I bet if we had demographic data a lot of lady viewers started watching during the tenant years. Chicks loved him.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Last two doctors we basically about "sending a message" rather than dr who so....
The hilarious part is that despite all those colored cat ladies telling about "strong powerful women in the movies", a lot of girls and women prefer going to watch attractive men
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Trogdor1123
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Tom Baker was 40? I didn’t know that. He was the best ever. I like the more aged doctors myself.
The woke mob has completely gaslit themselves into thinking that women want tough lesbian girlboss characters. They DO NOT.Last two doctors we basically about "sending a message" rather than dr who so....
The hilarious part is that despite all those colored cat ladies telling about "strong powerful women in the movies", a lot of girls and women prefer going to watch attractive men
Women want strong alpha MEN who get weak in the knees for ONE WOMAN and there is a romance. The woman doesn't need to be able to throw a mountain or punch through a planet, women don't see themselves AS the character (men do this) but they do invest in the RELATIONSHIP.
Eventually the powers that be will remember this and start writing strong male characters with strong relationships to women again, and the course will correct. Women don't go to see gay men or lesbians, they don't go to see fat women, amputee women, or butch women fighting people. They go to see an idealized relationship THEY wish they could have, the bad boy who gives up everything to be with THAT ONE WOMAN. The early MCU understood this and it took them to billions. Later MCU has forgotten this and its a disaster.
Guess where Deadpool 3 falls.....
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
I don't think this is why Capaldi numbers dropped off.
I'm one of the longtime viewers who split during his era, as did my wife.
In my case, I noticed too many trend-chasing elements gradually slipping themselves into the plot to make room for a future transformation (eg., Moffat dutifully planted the first cross-sex regenerations, introduced a "representation" driven lesbian companion, and many other little bits that started to drown the writing very, very gradually; tremendous fall from grace for him as a writer, he was totally incompetent by season 3 of capaldi).
But my wife isn't very attuned to subtexts like that until they reach a high breaking point, so her reasons were a bit different -- yet I shared hers as well. It was the total loss of Doctor Who as a family program, which both RTD and Moffat are responsible for in different ways over the years. During the Matt Smith era, it mostly still played as a family show (ignoring some gross missteps in this area), and particularly for the Christmas specials which were pure and respectful in every way. But into Capaldi's run, it became consciously and overwhelmingly an adult program, which made only the smallest, waning nods to being something families might want to watch together.
That goes hand-in-hand with the progressive political elements saturating the series, and it killed the soul of the Doctor very quickly. Even someone with a very strong sentimental attachment to the character like my wife simply called him "dead" even before Jodie, and once seeing her, called the whole franchise dead. And that was coming from someone who is driven by emotional connection and not by observing any politics. They absolutely ruined the show for families and fans, and for the franchise to be permanently dead is what everyone deserves at this point.
Tams
Member
I think we're on the same page.
You've just described why people grew tired of him, and being 'broody', and as someone else said, old, were part of making the show not a family show anymore.
AJUMP23
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The Episodes were bad with Capaldi. But he was fine as the DR.
efyu_lemonardo
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Having known Capaldi from other shows I was looking forward to his portrayal of the doctor but the writing completely killed my enthusiasm. I was expecting a much crazier character from him and they went in a very different direction.
Sonik
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I bet that the writing teams had already been infected with diversity hires and the usual cultists. The drop in quality since Capaldi's Doctor was noticeable, almost everyone I knew that watched Doctor Who that's where they either abandoned the show or stopped watching it consistently
Krathoon
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Doctor Who is in a bit of a pickle now.
They can't really admit the show is bad because it will go against the message they are pushing.
It will make the BBC and DIsney look bad if they cancel it.
So, they are going to have to buckle down and actually make good episodes to save the show.
Disney has no qualms about pulling the plug. Look what they did to Willow.
I find it hillarious that RTD and the actors will not admit that the show went off the rails in the final two episodes of the season.
They can't really admit the show is bad because it will go against the message they are pushing.
It will make the BBC and DIsney look bad if they cancel it.
So, they are going to have to buckle down and actually make good episodes to save the show.
Disney has no qualms about pulling the plug. Look what they did to Willow.
I find it hillarious that RTD and the actors will not admit that the show went off the rails in the final two episodes of the season.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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I wanted to watch an episode to find out what it was about, but I saw the opening and stopped watching it.
Heimdall_Xtreme
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More than they already are?
You've never seen Doctor Who at all?
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Huh, weird, yeah the new series isn't exactly anywhere near a good starting point for what the show is about.
kevboard
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Heimdall_Xtreme
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Hookshot
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Watch "Blink" if you ever watch just a single episode. It doesn't really feature the doctor all that much but the premise and episode are good.
On the wider topic of Doctor Who, I did try the new series but I dropped it completely after that stupid episode with the woman in the distance. I just found them boring.
kevboard
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Blink works really well as a standalone short film almost. but I'd still say the best you can do is just start watching the show from the 2005 reboot onwards.
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FunkMiller
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Yep, start with Rose (2005)
End with The Time Of The Doctor (2013).
End with The Time Of The Doctor (2013).
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Heimdall_Xtreme
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Oki doki
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yeah the safest place to start (after something like Blink to see a microcosm of the best of the show's scifi writing) is Matt Smith's debut, The Eleventh Hour -- easily the best new-Doctor intro ever