Why? She won't be sitting in the Oval Office this January, the smear campaign against her was wildly successful.
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Why? She won't be sitting in the Oval Office this January, the smear campaign against her was wildly successful.
Biff
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I can't believe I have to disclaimer this but to be clear I think Trump is a joke.
But this website shows zero evidence of corruption. What a waste of time. Making the case that an evil Exxon Mobil multi-multi-millionaire would use his power to inflate his pension savings a little bit? Wtf?
These people are hundred-millionaires, if not billionaires. They are going to enact policies that dump their view on the world. That's the frightening part. But it isn't corruption. They aren't going to lift oil sanctions so their 401K is worth $500 million instead of $400 million. They are in this for the power; that is worth infinitesimally more than money once you hit three commas.
Matt Ortega is a sad, salty man who clearly learned nothing from the election. He got a sick domain name though, I'll give him that.
But this website shows zero evidence of corruption. What a waste of time. Making the case that an evil Exxon Mobil multi-multi-millionaire would use his power to inflate his pension savings a little bit? Wtf?
These people are hundred-millionaires, if not billionaires. They are going to enact policies that dump their view on the world. That's the frightening part. But it isn't corruption. They aren't going to lift oil sanctions so their 401K is worth $500 million instead of $400 million. They are in this for the power; that is worth infinitesimally more than money once you hit three commas.
Matt Ortega is a sad, salty man who clearly learned nothing from the election. He got a sick domain name though, I'll give him that.
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thepotatoman
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Having relatively low levels of corruption was one of the things the US was best at and helped a lot in selling ourselves as the moral authority to the world.
Losing the moral high ground on that front is one of the sadder potential results of Trump's presidency.
Losing the moral high ground on that front is one of the sadder potential results of Trump's presidency.
Pilgrimzero
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This is my conclusion after reading twitter posts etc by them.
Trump can do no wrong at the moment and anything that says different is either a liberal lie or "just wait and see".
Plus they can justify anything. The Russia stuff, well don't you want to be friends with Russia. Or what war? Good thing he's making friends with them.
Also you can bet when things do start to go glaringly wrong, it will be other people's fault and not Trumps. IE the Mexicans or Liberals or Obama etc.
Carpe Carnim
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Here is a Pro-Tip: Instead of walking into a conversation with minimal, or no experience on a subject, and then chortling about your insipid bon-mots, perhaps you could do a little research beforehand instead of relying on anonymous Internet commenters to do it for you. You might end up less ignorant of the facts before engaging your typing fingers.
Millionaires and billionares do this literally all the time, exploiting the tiniest loophole in tax code to gain a few extra million here or there.
The idea that they wont be utilizing their power to gain ten million here, a hundred million there is just ignorance of history at best. This is aside from whether we call this corruption or not, since we dont need to go there to nip this.
RustyNails
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There is no self-respecting rich man who goes "I've hit the $500 million mark. I guess I should stop now". It's a power-trip. Even our greatest philanthropists like Bill Gates and Buffet do not stop.
Carnby
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But this fake news site has cited it as "corruption".
Please talk to someone who is dumb enough to take you seriously man. Try a pile of hay or a brick wall, you will get better results. Hell, talk to Trump. He certainly qualifies as dumb enough.
I'd imagine without stupid bosses and their goals he could do quite a bit more.
Carnby
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Try harder.
Biff
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Please provide me even ONE credible example of someone worth $100M or more using granted official U.S. political power to manipulate/corrupt (i.e. illegally generate) more money for themselves directly.
Even one example would change my view on this. I literally know of zero cases where this has ever happened.
Tax loopholes are called loopholes for a reason. They are legal.
Gates and Buffet generate their vast amounts of wealth 100% legally.
Before i embark on this simple crusade, i notice you underlined "credible". Which tells me you are already hedging your bets at undermining future sources that prove you wrong.
So before I waste my time, please define what you mean by credible. Ill try to ignore your arbitrary use of networth to define the terms.
So before I waste my time, please define what you mean by credible. Ill try to ignore your arbitrary use of networth to define the terms.
This isn't a site pretending to be reporting on any news. At best it is just collecting information from other sources. It has a very clear slant but that is more than can be said for fake news sites which only serve to propagate bullshit masquerading as real information.
That you lack the intellectual ability to distinguish between the two says a lot about you.
Biff
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Basically no blogs or Forbes-style "user sites" where the author hits publish and it gets uploaded without editorial review.
I think that's a fair definition!
Polioliolio
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Deleted member 125677
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Are you suggesting we should block """"fake news"""" sites like NBC, CNN, Wall Street journal, New York Times, Washington Post etc, which seem to be the sources for this website?
RustyNails
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Why is this news fake. Elaborate. No driveby.
bggrthnjsus
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uh, i think the substance is that they actually happened?
But the stuff the site references (and links to should a person want to verify the source), have been published and verified under editorial review.
Problem: This isn't about him enhancing his portfolio. It's about a half Trillion dollar oil deal he's made with a company owned by the freaking Russian government. Do you think this administration will make a peep about Russia bombing the shit out of Syria, or stop them from invading Ukraine...or any other shit Putin decides to do? Do you understand the concept "conflict of interest?"
Carnby
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Nope. I'm suggesting the site that is citing many articles, some with little to no corruption, and tallying them as an example of corruption is the fake news site.
Edit: For example, this site lists Linda McMahon getting a job in Trump's cabinet as an example of corruption, implying she only got the job because she donated to Trump's campaign. It completely ignores that Trump and the McMahons had a relationship that goes back almost 30 years. It also ignores that Linda helped build the WWE to what it is today. She's got the experience to do the job.
What about my point? This isn't a news site and isn't pretending to be. It actually provides real sources so that people can make their own minds up.
Unlike, you know, fake news.
RustyNails
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I'm not sure why you're asking me to provide evidence of rich politicians enriching themselves in political positions.
That's not the point. The point is rich people do not suddenly stop after they hit "x" net worth.
If only infowars posted it on their youtube, then you'd be OK with it.
Carnby
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A very good point. But I still believe this qualifies as fake news because the average person isn't going to closely examine the cited articles. They will just look at the banner and see the tally and say "wow. 46 examples of corruption." ...And then share it on their Facebook account.
As bad as it might be, I honestly prefer a not very politically engaged society over whatever the heck is happening in America where people think they're free to not believe in global warming (which is somehow a political issue) and trip over themselves to defend rich corrupt people (with the main defence being that other politicians are also corrupt).
The "real media outlets" that are spreading lies since forever? I love me some of these real media outlets. For real!
Would be awesome if we could.
I don't give a shit about the average person. That is on them.
However unlike the right, people on the left are a little more critical of the information they receive.
IMO those examples represent a pattern of behaviour that is very indicative of corruption. It isn't as simple as 46 examples.
You're more than welcome return to your circlejerks at Breitbart or whatever hole you climbed out from.
aspiegamer
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lol, what? Is there ANY news that's not "fake" by this definition? You've got to be shitting me.
On the thing with Linda, appointing friends for people in positions of power is still pretty goddamn corrupt. So maybe just corrupt.aahh (as all holy hell) and not .af?
Okay, now you're just trolling.
shaowebb
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How is it putting this many CEO's in charge of every branch of government isn't creating conflicts of interest? Real question here, because it seems like he's stationing power players in control over the areas of government that impact their bottom dollars the most in a bid to gain friends in every market from fuel, to pharmaceuticals, to media.
wumster3000
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Don't know if this is a site I will visit. If it was written by someone with no political ties to either side, then maybe.
Yeah, if only Hillary Clinton isn't so corrupt then I would believe Trump to be corrupt.
It won't really hurt you or anything. It is just editorializing using collected sources.
You see and this is why you dont pretend these people are anything but what they are.
Not good hearted folks with troublesome economic anxiety, but delusional madmen who are the equivalent of the anti-vaxxers who see a hundred sources confirming one thing to be true but decide to intentionally be ignorant and follow the one dissenting link from a white supremacist news website because they want to claim anti-establishment is more important than facts.
RustyNails
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There's too much edgelording going on here. Grow up. You're not the cool looking guy in your avatar.
It's just info I added in case people wondered who made the site. Im not dismissing it, I just added some friggin' info.
And no, Im not a Trump supporter if anyone is wondering that too lol. Im not a Clinton supporter either even though I would've voted for her (more against Trump than FOR her).
They should do it with all politicians, not just Trump and Clinton.
EatinOlives
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Looking forward to 2017 and beyond where we'll still be hearing "BUT WHAT ABOUT HILLARY THO" in every thread about Trump.
So we're back to "if you don't agree with me, you're a white white supremacist"?
Damn, things haven't changed a lot, as it seems.
Not what I said. However, it is interesting that you think that is what I accused you of being. Parsing nuance is hard for some people, eh?
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I think it's quite the stretch to label a site that has no references to fake news (afaik), that in fact is not even a news site, as "fake news".
That being said I wouldn't use the existence of this political blog or whatever as independent proof of corruption. The same principles of source criticism should apply to anyone making accusations about Trump as those making claims about the Clintons. If anyone wants to use the material gathered on this site as evidence, they would need to properly read through it, and evaluate if the content is relevant and factually sound.
Point me to it, I wanna see.
Edit: I actually don't know what or who Gabby Douglas is lol.
Point me to it, I wanna see.
Edit: I actually don't know what or who Gabby Douglas is lol.
oh dear...she is only the most badass gymnast alive on the us olympic team
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