They can only really do that earlier to mid game though. Its a balance. Though impale/hex/finger is pretty heavy nukage even late game.
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They can only really do that earlier to mid game though. Its a balance. Though impale/hex/finger is pretty heavy nukage even late game.
I dont even think bots kick in. They literally stay in the fountain unless you are pushing downt he front door.
That's when they showed up. Guess that's the trigger.
Togglesworlh
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Might've been seeing other people control the characters. You can do that once the player leaves. Bots definitely don't kick in, ever, in matchmaking. Unless they do. But I'm pretty sure they don't.
In LoL, supports can't do that at all.
Its called balance. Spellcasters are strong early game and taper off, carries start weak and gain strength, and then in the middle you get things like semi-carries in the middle that have good nukes as well as good damage but can't quite beat a full on character of another type in their own fight. If you want a spellcaster that can do something late game, then you actually do need just as much farm and they certainly aren't going to be able to do that as a support, because you need to get more disables, more mana regen and health to stay relevant.
The only casters that can really do anything late besides pop a disable that I can think of are storm spirit, necrolyte, leshrac and tinker, and they actually end up requiring more farm than the normal carries I think.
Oh, yeah, probably was this. Pretty neat, wouldn't have guessed you could do that.
Pugna I would disagree with just because he can't be everywhere like tinker and prophet. Prophet is more of a physical dps when he gets his farm anyway, which is why I don't count him in that mix.
Absolutely, Pugna is highly underrated. Pugna has very aggressive spells, and he's a real force early on in lane and nether ward means he's always relevant late.
The Tidehunter and Crystal Maiden ones are my favorites.
Pipe is where its at.
exactly. Doing so much damage with so little feels odd.
I can already see myself spending too much money on this game, Kunkka one was awesome.
I'm scared Icefrog will nerf him, he is just too good. I have won 75% of my games as him, compared to 52% with Omniknight.
I'm sure Icefrog is going to nerf him as Drkirby is winning games with him.
dorkimoe
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were you playing with us when we were abusing Natures prophet? so unbalanced
Procarbine
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2th,
When you eventually find yourself in a game with higher level play happening, GAF IH or w/e, you'll see that in order for your carry to be competitive he will need all the farm in the lane, and you'll be unable to get much at all outside of kill/assist gold. If you needed items, your hero would be completely pointless, as support needs to use disables/harass skills to control the lanes and assist in kills. You will also end up getting killed during fights more often than not, because of how squishy the heroes are.
When you eventually find yourself in a game with higher level play happening, GAF IH or w/e, you'll see that in order for your carry to be competitive he will need all the farm in the lane, and you'll be unable to get much at all outside of kill/assist gold. If you needed items, your hero would be completely pointless, as support needs to use disables/harass skills to control the lanes and assist in kills. You will also end up getting killed during fights more often than not, because of how squishy the heroes are.
As someone said to me should have built a pipe.
Plus, the supports tend to be good targets because you want them out of the fight before their disables are back up.
Lich and Nature's Prophet are old-school, established DotA characters for years and years. I don't think they now have to be nerfed, players just need to learn how to counter them better. This will occur naturally through experience and the addition of more heroes in the future.
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I love when I see a Furion against my team, I just ward the hell out of his creeps, seeing a lot of new people playing lately, they wonder if the game is bugged once they see no creeps lol
I might have to cancel my gaf account if that replay somehow leaked out to the interwebs.
This graph might make help clarify somethings.
Position of LoL lines relative to DOTA lines means nothing, I just put them on the same graph for easy comparison.
This is assuming all heroes involved have an equal amount of farm. As you can see, casters fall off fast as they approach 16, but have much greater damage growth early on. Carries, on the other hand, never stop scaling with their farm. LoL is similar, but the disparity is less extreme, which is why Annie will need as much farm as Yi to be able to melt faces.
Gold loss on death in DOTA somewhat justifies the difference in power growth, because casters have a huge advantage over carries from early game to mid game. Most teams are made up of casters. A carry is only a win condition, casters are the real backbone of the team.
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So bind just gift me this game, and half the time i don't even know what was going on and I ended up dying. 
I don't even think there is warning for those aoe spell on the ground (like when brand cast his pillar of flame, there is a fire circle on the ground), and I end up usually getting knocked up or stun and die.
I don't even think there is warning for those aoe spell on the ground (like when brand cast his pillar of flame, there is a fire circle on the ground), and I end up usually getting knocked up or stun and die.
There isn't. You need to be keenly aware of your opponent's skill level and habits. Bad players will aim on top of you, good players will aim where they think you're going, great players will cast-cancel their animation to fool you into dodging a stun that never comes off, and then stun you when you try to make up for lost time by moving predictably.So bind just gift me this game, and half the time i don't even know what was going on and I ended up dying.
I don't even think there is warning for those aoe spell on the ground (like when brand cast his pillar of flame, there is a fire circle on the ground), and I end up usually getting knocked up or stun and die.
There is for Linas not so much on Pugnas AoE though for example. You learn to watch their animations rather than look for abilities. Unfortunately it's one of those things that come with time.
I think you have Caster and Carry labeled backwards on the graph.This graph might make help clarify somethings.
Position of LoL lines relative to DOTA lines means nothing, I just put them on the same graph for easy comparison.
This is assuming all heroes involved have an equal amount of farm. As you can see, casters fall off fast as they approach 16, but have much greater damage growth early on. Carries, on the other hand, never stop scaling with their farm. LoL is similar, but the disparity is less extreme, which is why Annie will need as much farm as Yi to be able to melt faces.
Gold loss on death in DOTA somewhat justifies the difference in power growth, because casters have a huge advantage over carries from early game to mid game. Most teams are made up of casters. A carry is only a win condition, casters are the real backbone of the team.
Yeah, i was really confused when i looked at that graph, lol.
CORKY GAMES IS BEST GAMES.
Seriously we need that replay ID on the front page.
Edit: How do you find replay ID's? I want to record one on FRAPS.
You would search for the user name in Recent games, keep spamming search till it finds stuff, click to view the game, to the right of where you can see the download replay is the Match ID. The Match ID right now is a bit useless though, since Valve hasn't added a "Search Match ID" option yet.
Excellent ty.
Nope, Dota's Caster and Cary are still backwards.
There are lines relating to Obsidian Destroyer, Death Prophet, and Undying in N'aix's lines.
"Undying, you're a source of endless…amusement."
"Obsidian, I chipped a tooth on your life!"
"Death Prophet, you must have seen me coming."
Love this line for Alchemist:
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/c/c1/Alch_ability_failure_04.mp3
"Undying, you're a source of endless…amusement."
"Obsidian, I chipped a tooth on your life!"
"Death Prophet, you must have seen me coming."
Love this line for Alchemist:
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/c/c1/Alch_ability_failure_04.mp3
Looking forward to play Undying again, max out his tombstone and look at the enemy support heroes die against the small zombies
God damnit.
There you go boss.
I can't find the post where it shows how to edit the cfg, specifically to add the auto join GAF chat tag. Would someone be kind enough to link me?
Was such a good hero when he didn't have a max unit limit on his Soul Rip.
How to be extremely bad-mannered and annoying: Pick furion and clockwerk. Rocket their fountain. When the creep waves start, teleport to their fountain (you have sight from the rocket) and kill their courier. TP back to a tower. Repeat this throughout the game.
Lich and Prophet have gotten buffs throughout their whole lifetime. Lich I think is alright, but Prophet needs to be toned down just a bit. Personally I think they need to reduce the amount of bounces on his ultimate and remove the magic resistance from his treants. Prophet is also really good in lane (max sprout and teleport) even though most people jungle him.
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