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Dota 2 Beta Thread: [Brewmaster]
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15? lol more like 8min
I watched my friend kill him at level 7. So probably a little sooner than the 15 min mark.
Are you trying to "main" a certain hero?
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Seems like there are two more games today.
already 20 mins in though 
, dunno if more games are coming up
, dunno if more games are coming upSeems like there are two more games today.
Yeah, I would say don't try to "main" anyone. If anything, just have a pool of heroes you are confortable with, and probably some you avoid playing is. For me, heroes like Broodmother, Windrunner, and others are heroes I'm comfortable with, while I avoid Morphling and some others like the plague for now.
I'm trying to get a pool of about 5 or so heroes I'm good with, and then be able to pick based on team composition.
So far I played Tinker until I was comfortable with him, then Slardar, and now Lich.
Though, given the choice, I'll pick which one I like more.
I admittedly have been using whether I like my former choices to help guide what new characters I pick as opposed to like picking solely based on (1 carry, 1 ganker, 1 tank, 1 pusher, 1 initiator, etc).
You should give Necrolyte a shot. Pretty good support with a ridiculous ult.
PillowKnight
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Necro isn't a support! He actually requires substantial farm.
He's definitely an interesting character, but my friend who plays a ton of Dota (and I frequently match with) is really good at him, so I think he's pretty well covered.
I think I will try one of the pushers next, since I notice in matches that we could often use one, but they don't seem to be played very often. This is probably because there are only four of them currently in the game based on the OP.
All you need is rank 4 death pulse and everything just dies. Other than that, he's pretty support-y.
Rhasta / Brood are the best options IMO (specially the last one)
Thanks. I think I will try learning Broodmother.
Play PUDGE.
PUDGE IS THE BEST HERO
EDIT: Brood and Rhasta are good pushers. I think Brood is a lot easier to play at lower skill levels because web keeps you safe and it's easy to keep the broodlings up. Rhasta is pretty squishy and is slow, and his push ability is on a long cooldown, although it's a fantastic skill. Furion is another great pusher who isn't too difficult to play. Chen and Enchantress are also pushers, but they take quite a bit more practice to play effectively, and they're a bit random-based with jungle creeps. Venomancer is also a good pusher (HoN players seem to like to play him as an aggressive caster while Dota1 players like to play him as a pusher. Both ways work, I prefer the push Venomancer personally). Enigma can push as well, but I wouldn't recommend him to a newer player at all.
PUDGE IS THE BEST HERO
EDIT: Brood and Rhasta are good pushers. I think Brood is a lot easier to play at lower skill levels because web keeps you safe and it's easy to keep the broodlings up. Rhasta is pretty squishy and is slow, and his push ability is on a long cooldown, although it's a fantastic skill. Furion is another great pusher who isn't too difficult to play. Chen and Enchantress are also pushers, but they take quite a bit more practice to play effectively, and they're a bit random-based with jungle creeps. Venomancer is also a good pusher (HoN players seem to like to play him as an aggressive caster while Dota1 players like to play him as a pusher. Both ways work, I prefer the push Venomancer personally). Enigma can push as well, but I wouldn't recommend him to a newer player at all.
PillowKnight
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He lacks everything that makes a support a support(stuns, slows, no item requirements). He's also useless without survivabilty--since his only nuke demands that he runs into stun range, an under farmed necro either feeds or just ends up being ineffective.
Well, technically you can play any hero as support. Necro is a survivability carry, so a lot of the good support items(mek pipe) are carry items on him, this doesn't make him a support though, because if you lane him like a support he never gets these items.
Pudge is in fact the best hero, everyone should play him.
Sure it's fun, but not as challenging as Chen...
Now that's something. For the ultimate clusterfuck of hotkeys and map awareness I choose Upgraded Necronomicon, Khagdars Pipe, Mekans, Mana boots, Drum of Endurance + 3 minions (2 minotaurs with stun and snare)
If you are able to master that, chances are that you'll end winning 90% of the pubs
close to the edge
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Did anyone here ever play Pudge Wars? That was awesome. (custom map for Warcraft 3, every player is Pudge, you can upgrade your hook so it bounces off walls, gets like 20 km long, does more damage the longer the hook is and crazy shit like that) It would be so awesome if Valve decide to somehow port this to Dota 2 as well.
Pudge is pretty enjoyable, but methinks a certain Gaffer has the market cornered.
Yeah, I definitely intend to at some point, but right now I'm noob enough that I'm still trying to build a footing for myself. :lol
I kind of wish there was someone like Day[9] doing tons of Dota tutorial/analysis videos though.
Back when StarCraft 2 came out I went from bad gold to high diamond in about a month largely thanks to him.
crimsonheadGCN
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I'm pretty sure it was said that Pudge Wars was being potted over.
Togglesworlh
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Even if they don't, I'm sure someone, somewhere is already cooking up the mod.
Here's what they said a very long time ago (so I'm not sure if this specifically still holds true):
Source: http://blog.dota2.com/2010/11/dota-2-qa/Dota 2 Website said:
Just hit random, get extra gold and learn new heroes, learn the match up and skills. You will get your ass handed but it's a learning process.
The op is wrong about a lot of roles, mostly because its trying to nail down each character to a single role.
Pugna, Tinker, Broodmother, Chen, Enchantress, Nature's Prophet, Shadow Shaman, Enigma and Venomancer are the main pushers in the beta right now. Those are who you go for if you want a push strategy.
no one specifically, the roots clan just lost a game that tobiwan casted in the joindota tournament
didn't even know that they were a "serious" clan
I totally understand why it might have looked like a totally random post if you didn't watch the stream at all
Unfortunately, that would be a monumental task. Too many hero combinations and item combinations, let alone differences from playing on the other side of the map, to make an easy route to being good. Tobi does an alright job explaining why heroes and items are picked though.
I think the reason there isn't a Day[9] of DOTA is because even now, people still don't really understand the game. Pro players got where to where they were now by trial and error and perseverance, rather than by a methodical process of mastering the basics, and then building upon that foundation step by step.
I must say that tobi deserves some more props, he is improving rapidly and casting together with synderen has really helped a lot
I just wish he could always have a co-caster and maybe even eventually a designated observer.
close to the edge
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Hmm. Yes, that's probably true. RTS games are probably understood better in general because so many people got so good at SC1 (and WC3, to an extent). The pro scene for Dota is maybe five or six years old.
Beat me to it lol.
I also think it's because most games are designed from the ground up, whereas DOTA started out as "add in whatever seems cool", and then the game evolved from there into something else. So there isn't really a rhyme or reason or clear "path of progression" you'd see in other games.
It's one of the reasons why it's such a difficult game to get into. The community doesn't really help either.
Nothing to see here!
It's one of the reasons why it's such a difficult game to get into. The community doesn't really help either.
Nothing to see here!
Togglesworlh
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I find SC2 way harder to get into than Dota. Way, way, wayyyy harder.
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