Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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Neverfade said:
I feel like I'm really terrible at generating money. Any tips? It can't be as simple as 'buy a haste' item can it? But otherwise, I feel like I don't land enough killing blows.
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You need to practice last hitting until you can kill all creeps in a wave with a last hit when not under duress. To help with last hitting get good early stat items with some Regen to allow you to stay in lane. For melee heroes, a Quelling Blade helps with last hitting. And learn to animation cancel with the Stop (S) button so you can time your attacks better especially with ranged heroes.
 
Anbokr said:
Na, Valve is getting the criticism it deserves. When you fuck up, you get called out on it. That's how shit works. HoN was amazing during beta and shortly after release, then it just started going downhill with bug after bug and more focus on cosmetics and the shop than actual gameplay.

Valve is following an eerily similar path... they've done plenty right (TI, esports, free heroes), but they've also been fucking up consistently with critical errors, and going from 2-3 heroes a month to 1 hero every 2 months. Patches seem to have less bug fixes, and with the gigantic list of 1000+ gameplay bugs... it's kind of disheartening. The troll ranged bash bug has been in the game for months, tranquil has been broken by not giving ms to illusions for weeks, armlet bear has been broken for god knows how long, pretty much all of Slark's abilities had a myriad of bugs for months (and still do)... FIX YOUR SHIT VALVE.
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I am surprised that they do not disable the champions like Riot does when there is a bug.
 
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Darth Kupi said:
How does this happen?

Valve is the richest privately owned game dev in the world. They hire only the most ridiculously qualified people. They even have a damn test client.

How!?
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it really is a legitimate question. why wouldn't they put it in the test client first? they *always* have before.
 
Anbokr said:
Na, Valve is getting the criticism it deserves. When you fuck up, you get called out on it. That's how shit works. HoN was amazing during beta and shortly after release, then it just started going downhill with bug after bug and more focus on cosmetics and the shop than actual gameplay.

Valve is following an eerily similar path... they've done plenty right (TI, esports, free heroes), but they've also been fucking up consistently with critical errors, and going from 2-3 heroes a month to 1 hero every 2 months. Patches seem to have less bug fixes, and with the gigantic list of 1000+ gameplay bugs... it's kind of disheartening. The troll ranged bash bug has been in the game for months, tranquil has been broken by not giving ms to illusions for weeks, armlet bear has been broken for god knows how long, pretty much all of Slark's abilities had a myriad of bugs for months (and still do)... FIX YOUR SHIT VALVE.
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I'm not saying it's not an issue, I'm saying that's the most hyperbolic thing I've read in a while. The guy needs some perspective on life.

Also maybe I'm just used to the general behavior from tf2 days. It's not that they don't care, they do very much, it's just that their priorities are elsewhere. You may not like that, but that's just the way it is :shrug
 
Ugh had a game that consisted of always one or two people disconnecting before they rolled back the patch or whatever they did. Before that everyone crashed. Valve needs to fix their fucking shit, way too many crashes lately. Game shouldn't even be considered in beta anymore.
 
njean777 said:
For anybody that has played LOL and moved on to this game I am ready to try it myself. I have a few questions though as it is downloading right now. IF anybody has played Talon on LOL is there anybody even close to him on this game? He is my best character on LOL,if not what are some of the noob friendlier champs?
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just play skeleton king
best ez champion ever
QoP is like kassadin though
Calidor said:
Yeah I've never played LoL but looked up the skills description and looks like a Slark clone
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slark is auto attack dependant though

Haly said:
Attack Damage.

In League, skills can scale with both AP (think spell power) and AD (auto attack damage), so you have AP casters and AD casters.

Talon is an AD caster, kind like a cross between Riki/Skywrath. He relies mostly on burst but by nature of his scaling, he can dish out a lot of auto attack damage as well.
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yo stop getting trolled by dotors

njean777 said:
Also most of the burst champions like Talon on LOL are very squishy so if you get into a team fight and are not smart about it you will die very quickly.

Will do
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(also why they dont really get to auto attack damage)
if you were in it with talon for stealthy burst assassins, go nyx assassin
BH has less burst and screw giving your team more gold like a team player im an assassin
The_Player said:
If you love playing QoP; set looks pretty nice to me.
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dude I love QoP but 12$

12$

Anbokr said:
Na, Valve is getting the criticism it deserves. When you fuck up, you get called out on it. That's how shit works. HoN was amazing during beta and shortly after release, then it just started going downhill with bug after bug and more focus on cosmetics and the shop than actual gameplay.

Valve is following an eerily similar path... they've done plenty right (TI, esports, free heroes), but they've also been fucking up consistently with critical errors, and going from 2-3 heroes a month to 1 hero every 2 months. Patches seem to have less bug fixes, and with the gigantic list of 1000+ gameplay bugs... it's kind of disheartening. The troll ranged bash bug has been in the game for months, tranquil has been broken by not giving ms to illusions for weeks, armlet bear has been broken for god knows how long, pretty much all of Slark's abilities had a myriad of bugs for months (and still do)... FIX YOUR SHIT VALVE.
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YA FUCK LETS PLAY LAEGUE
 
Vamphuntr said:
I have a quick etiquette/strategy question. Is it okay to pull the jungle in your creeps line so that the lane goes back near your tower when your lane partner is constantly auto-attacking and pushing the lane while not understanding English? I had to do this in the last game because my lane partner was constantly auto-attacking (with Drow) and pushing the lane towards their tower all the time. The other team would simply attract all the creeps behind their tower. I tried to explain to him nicely to only last hit but I think he was speaking Italian.

He didn't complain and it worked nicely in the end and the rest of the team was quite good and we won but I was wondering if it's okay to do. I was kotl so I was trying to check on him in the lane while checking the creeps and the timer to pull at the right moment.
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Yes. And I really hope they explain why not to auto attack, creep balance in a tutorial. I have more than 150 games and I still find people pushing all the time, and they don't believe you if you tell them to stop. (I don't blame them, its a bit counterintuitive).
 
Valygar said:
Yes. And I really hope they explain why not to auto attack, creep balance in a tutorial. I have more than 150 games and I still find people pushing all the time, and they don't believe you if you tell them to stop. (I don't blame them, its a bit counterintuitive).
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lol I've played about 350 games since starting in January and I still don't know why I shouldn't push the lane. On the one hand you get to fight the opposing player/s closer to your tower which makes it a lot easier to get kills, but then you don't get to enjoy the thrill of tower diving (which is the funnest thing ever).
 
Radec said:
I'm still looking for other options,

I wonder if I can trade my jugg+axe taunts+keys for the set.

question though, can the set item evolve even if you don't have the access to watch the tournament ?
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No. You need the ticket to upgrade the QoP.
 
Ultimatum said:
lol I've played about 350 games since starting in January and I still don't know why I shouldn't push the lane. On the one hand you get to fight the opposing player/s closer to your tower which makes it a lot easier to get kills, but then you don't get to enjoy the thrill of tower diving (which is the funnest thing ever).
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Because the more pushed your lane is:

a) The easier it is for a ganker to come in from behind you and cut off your escape while your lane opponents pummel you from the front. You also have a longer way to run to the relative safety of your own tower.

b) You'll push the wave right up to the tower (and possibly beyond) and the lane opponents can farm the entire creep wave without you being able to contest it safely because of the tower.
 
Pureauthor said:
Because the more pushed your lane is:

a) The easier it is for a ganker to come in from behind you and cut off your escape while your lane opponents pummel you from the front. You also have a longer way to run to the relative safety of your own tower.

b) You'll push the wave right up to the tower (and possibly beyond) and the lane opponents can farm the entire creep wave without you being able to contest it safely because of the tower.
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no ganks in the trench

but what if you destroy their tower? thats free gold
 
Played Lycanthrope for the first time yesterday. Well what can i say? He is pretty nasty after jungling for a few minutes. I killed a lot of hero's in the process. Went 12/6/6 not to bad for a first time and won the match. Also Witch Doctor is pretty underrated,played 2 matches with him first match i went 14/8/22 and second match 6/11/25 also both matches won. Both are very fun hero's to play with.
 
Boken said:
Even more reason to keep pushing!

3 towers of hard earned gold in your lane
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I actually had someone rage quit on me when we were up 20-0 but down 2 towers.

He couldn't let it go that we lost the towers and kept spamming that it's not about kills, it's about towers.

Nokterian said:
Played Lycanthrope for the first time yesterday. Well what can i say? He is pretty nasty after jungling for a few minutes. I killed a lot of hero's in the process. Went 12/6/6 not to bad for a first time and won the match. Also Witch Doctor is pretty underrated,played 2 matches with him first match i went 14/8/22 and second match 6/11/25 also both matches won. Both are very fun hero's to play with.
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bounchfx finish your lycan set dude. Needs a new lycan form and 2 wolves IE ghost and nymeria
 
There seems to have been a match of mine that has vanished into the ether. It was right before they rolled back the patch too. Wonder if it's gone forever or whether it will be picked at some point here. Has no problem finding the one after it.
 
sephi22 said:
Guys am I doing it right?
Do I need to close the console window or let it be as it is?
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Yup, but unknown what happens if there is an update.

Interview with A-god


Q:Any message you'd like to send to other talent young players out there hoping to break through?

RTZ: Don't let American GAF inhouseleagues change your goals and perspective on dota in a negative manner!
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lost a base race to a void and PL (really, lost to a PL). Primarially because after 50 minutes, I was the only one with any damage items on the entire fucking team. 50 minutes and QoP no damage items. ggwp. Even still, ancient was down to 300hp at the most.

JustinBB7 said:
Set is amazing and the hud is nice too. Plus some games to watch so why not.
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HUD is ass, but a GAFer made the set and they have some excellent teams competing. I say go for it.
 
Regarding the Premiere League Pass, when you trade in the HUD or the items that cam along with it, can you still view the tourney?
 
Did we have a discount on other announcers? We got that when the bastion one was released, and I was hoping to get the bastion one now.
 
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