Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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Boken

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What is the LOL equivalent?

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i dont understand your point
 

shira

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i dont understand your point

Oh god, there better be a foil EE for trolling. When you try to apply it goes #roadtoTI4
I mean like what is LoL doing to keep players interested/hooked aside from the usual hero updates and tournaments


Anuxi Drow set! Woooooot
 

Boken

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Oh god, there better be a foil EE for trolling. When you try to apply it goes #roadtoTI4
I mean like what is LoL doing to keep players interested/hooked aside from the usual hero updates and tournaments


Anuxi Drow set! Woooooot

LoL's IP/RP model means that gaining IP is the hook

and skins
everybody loves to play e-dressup
 

Card Boy

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I'm noticing a trend when i play, Lich or Crystal Maiden = I'm almost guaranteed to win. Play anyone else and I always loose. I swear to god i don't feed, honest. I know i'm average but i never go 1-10 like these tools i'm always matched with.

I always get this lately from people

"zzzz lag" guy dc's and never comes back. Why join an Australian server if you are not going to speak english and quit?
 

Boken

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but having fun and learning should be the hook

dont kid yourself

nobody has fun in moba games

I'm noticing a trend when i play, Lich or Crystal Maiden = I'm almost guaranteed to win. Play anyone else and I always loose. I swear to god i don't feed, honest. I know i'm average but i never go 1-10 like these tools i'm always matched with.

I always get this lately from people

"zzzz lag" guy dc's and never comes back. Why join an Australian server if you are not going to speak english and quit?
I dunno whats up with server MM, but every time i've played on the OZ server, there have been around 4 americans complaining about the lag. Is the MM putting them in the game because there arent enough australians around? Perhaps.

I feel no sympathy for them though, theyre playing with the exact same ping I have to deal with everyday
 

Kreunt

Banned
dont kid yourself

nobody has fun in moba games


I dunno whats up with server MM, but every time i've played on the OZ server, there have been around 4 americans complaining about the lag. Is the MM putting them in the game because there arent enough australians around? Perhaps.

I feel no sympathy for them though, theyre playing with the exact same ping I have to deal with everyday

i think they're often military peeps stationed somewhere like japan.
 

sixghost

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Pretty pleased with how this game went. I was a little confused with what to buy with all the gold. What would you guys suggest as Meepo's ideal 6 slots? I used to just buy as many hearts as possible, but I started to realize that there's diminishing returns at some point and you're better off adding in some damage items.

I was thinking something like BoTs, blink, scepter, eblade, and two skadis, dropping one in the fountain when it's time to go get aegis.

This is how the HP and DPS would break down for the skadis+eblade and the hearts:
1 Skadi
Main: 2,994 hp
Others: 2544 hp
Base Damage: 182
DPS: (182/.64)*5 = 1422

2 Skadi:
Main: 3719 hp
Others: 3019 hp
Base Damage: 207
DPS: (207/.59)*5 = 1754

3 Hearts
Main: 5259
Others: 4159
Base Damage: 117
DPS: (117/.86)*5 = 680

I'd love to hear what you guys think. Is the eblade worth it at all? Is it better to add in some sort of disable like sheepstick?
 
I just think it's hilarious that there's 3 Vanguards in the game, let alone on one team. And the Radiance on PL.

Vanguard on Clockwerk might be legit if you plan on going solo man-mode most of the game, but there's honestly better things he could be doing with the gold in nearly all scenarios.
 

Kenaras

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What would you guys suggest as Meepo's ideal 6 slots?

I'm curious about this as well. I've seen some sites recommend aura items like Vladmir's Offering or Assault Cuirass, but never seen a high-level Meepo player build one. I'm guessing those are old builds from before he received the Scepter buff, and now pure stat items are better?

Just from watching good Meepo players, I'd guess his ideal final build would look something like this: Boots of Travel, Aghanim's Scepter, Blink Dagger, Scythe of Vyse, Heart of Tarrasque, Eye of Skadi.
 

SamVimes

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I'm curious about this as well. I've seen some sites recommend aura items like Vladmir's Offering or Assault Cuirass, but never seen a high-level Meepo player build one. I'm guessing those are old builds from before he received the Scepter buff, and now pure stat items are better?

Just from watching good Meepo players, I'd guess his ideal final build would look something like this: Boots of Travel, Aghanim's Scepter, Blink Dagger, Scythe of Vyse, Heart of Tarrasque, Eye of Skadi.

Most games an eblade will do a ton of work late in the game, mostly for saving the Meepo clone that is getting focused down.
 
Also FYI, the Compendium just reached the next stretch goal. Solo tournament (and voting on who plays in it) is in. Probably a decent shot at that Immortal item if they do make open release soon with the influx of new players. Not that it'll be all that rare.

Techies stretch goal is definitely a stretch though.
 

Anteo

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So I had this game a few hours ago:

http://dotabuff.com/matches/229064891

That early game of the Dire, we were getting destroyed. Somehow luna got enough items to turn it around, I had to invest so much on sentries but it was worth it, killed Riki and BH a lot when they tried to setup for ganks, oh and that Zeus bought Void stone as his fisrt item. His item progresion was:
Void Stone > Perseverance > BloodStone > Boots > etc.

 
His late game is also super shit vs supports like WR/CM etc

Yeah he falls off pretty hard, especially compared to supports that provide disables and/or utility (e.g. Venge). Does make up for it with the brutal laning phase though, even with the weaker gale. So you have to make things happen early before people start to have BKBs/Pipe. You can turtle fairly hard with wards, but that's not going to dissuade people for long.

But it's kind of fun to see newer players discovering heroes I played a lot months ago when I first started out. Next you'll all be playing Windrunner.
 
Was having a great game with clinkz when I got the connection error message and it disconnected me

Couldn't reconnect so I quit and restarted, then no option to reconnect! Seems like the server disappeared, wtf!
 

Archie

Second-rate Anihawk
Nerf to Gale.

He went from being able to toss two gales at level 1 to only one. He has godawful base mana and no regen. Arcane boots are now an absolute must on him, which is difficult since he is normally played as a 5 which means he's near worthless until 10-15 minutes in the game where his toxic potency is already starting to wane.
 

Acinixys

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Was having a great game with clinkz when I got the connection error message and it disconnected me

Couldn't reconnect so I quit and restarted, then no option to reconnect! Seems like the server disappeared, wtf!

happens every now and again

dont worry, the game wont be counted
 

Des0lar

will learn eventually
He went from being able to toss two gales at level 1 to only one. He has godawful base mana and no regen. Arcane boots are now an absolute must on him, which is difficult since he is normally played as a 5 which means he's near worthless until 10-15 minutes in the game where his toxic potency is already starting to wane.

Time to play more carry veno
 
So in the process of running down enemy players as Earthshaker, with a Kunkka sharing my lane, I manage to last hit 2 of these kills. Therefore, by some logic, I 'stole' those kills. They were both so close that to try and defer the LH to kunkka would, as far as i could see it, risk losing the kill altogether. Im support, I'm buying wards, using clarities on him, and denying while he last hits creeps. Except he wouldn't, he would just sit near the trees and let the last hits go to waste (I wouldn't)
From that point, Kunkka acted like he had a stick up his ass, 'supports are the new carry' and basically didn't participate for the rest of the game. The guy has played like 2-3 times as many games as me as well.

Anyway, I'm on a horrible losing streak. I had one win with Gyro out of the last 15 games and that was a stomp, no skill involved. Most all games I lose end up with someone being blamed and the fires rising amongst the team (but not all). I seriously don't get blaming anyone for not playing their best. Bad decisions can be made and people act like when a teamfight goes down the shit doesn't hit the fan. Any plan you had goes out the window as soon as the spells start flying.

As a plus, nearly every time I boot up the game, I get notified that action has been taken against other players, so the reporting system is doing something in the end.
 

Tenck

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I'd love to hear what you guys think. Is the eblade worth it at all? Is it better to add in some sort of disable like sheepstick?

Sheepstick on him is amazing. High damage nuke and a disable in case you need to be even more annoying. What's not to love?

Edit: Nuke part is from Poof obviously.
 

BeesEight

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So in the process of running down enemy players as Earthshaker, with a Kunkka sharing my lane, I manage to last hit 2 of these kills. Therefore, by some logic, I 'stole' those kills. They were both so close that to try and defer the LH to kunkka would, as far as i could see it, risk losing the kill altogether. Im support, I'm buying wards, using clarities on him, and denying while he last hits creeps. Except he wouldn't, he would just sit near the trees and let the last hits go to waste (I wouldn't)
From that point, Kunkka acted like he had a stick up his ass, 'supports are the new carry' and basically didn't participate for the rest of the game. The guy has played like 2-3 times as many games as me as well.

Kill stealing complaints are the silliest complaints. Unless you're like tossing Laguna Blades on sure kills just to bump your score then there isn't anything to discuss. The boost to assist gold is great and opening up the lane for carries to free farm as well as getting more items on your supports is far more important than having some bozo able to finish their silly vanguard earlier.

If I run across someone who complains about kill stealing, I just mute them immediately and move on. At that point they're more concerned about having 'big numbers' on the end scoreboard than winning the match.
 
Complaints of kill stealing in Dota 2 is almost non-existent compared to LoL.

As long as you're not wasting an ulti or something for it then it's up for grabs.
 
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