Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]
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So an on demand, short CD, lower manacost morphling replicate... That'll make him easier to kill!
Naga Siren.
"...But it's balanced at a professional level!" is the point though. Everyone is playing the same game, wherever it's trenchies or Invictus Gaming. Balancing to the lowest common denominator makes no sense. They wouldn't nerf queens in chess because a beginner is always getting checkmated by them. Despite minor things (like the first version of the Centaur ult rework, I still have nightmares about that week), IceFrog is an extremely competent game designer. He knows what he's doing. I'm not saying he is 100% infallible, because nobody is, but he usually gets it right. You can look at every single basic mechanic of Dota for proof of that. The lower level players need to learn the ways to deal with a PL, who, to be fair, is quite a strong hero right now, but he is not at out of whack like some would believe. The issue is usually a lack of coordination to keep him down, or the other team playing well to protect him during your ganks. In a few cases it's being outpicked, but you need to pressure him early. You need wards to do this, and part of the thing in pubs is that support is difficult, and everyone says it's the place for beginners to start, but I'm but sure I agree. You need to ward properly with the little farm you will get, which can be difficult. Some people don't understand that and will yell at supports that were buying wards for not having any big items at 30 minutes. I remember a recent game where I was Jakiro (playing as the "5") and early to mid game did not go well. I kept wards up all game, did courier and the upgrade, as well as sentries. At 30 minutes, some guy yells at me for only having mana boots at 30 minutes, saying there is "no excuse". The rest of the team was on my side.
Those aren't bad, but I think the Juxtapose duration reduction is too much.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
My entire team went in for a gank one time, we blew dust, saw him running, blew up a TA trap near him and he still managed to get away. Trying to kill a PL is infuriating.
And as I said earlier, you cant focus your game on countering a single hero when there are other 4 for you to care about. Its almost impossible when you're going against a PL trilane unless you do a 5-men gank.
Perhaps this can clear some of the confusion: http://themittani.com/features/dota-2-guide-competitive-positions
Gully State
Member
Echo slam already exists
Technosteve
Banned
I think PL needs a giant sign that says Don't let me Free Farm OR I'll Come and Fuck Your Family
Echo Slam is too weak.
And a timer of 40 mins for the opposing team, if time runs out its gg.
Looks like I won't be turning off my computer at nights for a while. Thank gods for autospectate.
On the PL topic I think it's worth noting that while yes he has weaknesses, exploiting them to win isn't nearly as easy as it's being made out to be in here. If it was, professional teams wouldn't be losing to him as often as they do, and he wouldn't be banned/picked so often.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Its a farming tool. Occasionally you'll get kills with it, but you really shouldn't wait for two or three minutes to try and get a kill. Pop it every time its off cooldown. It pushes all of the lanes, which as NP is basically your job.
Anuxinamoon
Shaper Divine
Dude I had the same problem with us west and us east the other day. To the point I was getting between 250 and 1000ms spikes. Unplayable. If it was consistently 1000ms or 250 I can deal, but fluctuating ping makes me a sad panda.
I got a bit of coaching for number 5 support today from FrosT from flipside tactics and boy just that 1 hour really helped. Now my homework for the week is stacking and pulling and double pulling
Trying to kill a PL with manta, heart, drums, diffusal is infuriating yes, just like trying to kill an AM with heart, bfury, manta is infuriating. If you 5 man ganked a PL that didn't have hear though... I don't know what to tell you guys.
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shira
Member
Just make sure there are lots of creeps visible somewhere on screen and let er rip.
You can use it for kills, but the actual damage is pretty low if you are using it for a direct kill - 140/180/225 so they would need a sliver
Yo thanks for creating that QOP set for PL. Really like it.
Can't wait to level it.
Danke.
Does Echo Slam hit invis units?
pieatorium
Member
yes even invis units inside fog of war iirc
edit actually not 100% sure on that maybe im remembering wrong?
I think the only nerf needed for PL is to put a range on Juxtapose. Real PL needs to be within 1500 (or whatever) for an illusion to juxtapose. It just sucks as a squishy, he can just throw a lance and walk away (cool guys don't look at explosions) and the illusion just duplicates and destroys you.
Yes. It goes for about 3 minutes on finding server then goes back to finding match. I think I've been match making for 15 minutes now.
Huevos de Oro
Member
I am.
SteveWinwood
Member
You misspelled smite.
I'm also unable to get in a match on USwest.
Guys.need help
i did not resolve my last problem,
connecting to dota 2 network.
change my server location and it still not working
halp
singapore one btw
edit-
just googling and this fixed it
from steamupdate forums
steam settings>beta participation>choose steam beta update
try looking into that
i did not resolve my last problem,
connecting to dota 2 network.
change my server location and it still not working
halp
singapore one btw
edit-
just googling and this fixed it
from steamupdate forums
steam settings>beta participation>choose steam beta update
try looking into that
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
I've only been on USEast lately with my ping issue. I'll have to check Europe West and USWest later to see if either is more stable. Euro West I can play support on decently at least, even if the ping isn't great for last hitting. But yeah, I just don't want to play if the experience is going to be shit due to randomly spiking ping.
And we'll have to get Anuxi to play support to practice stacking and pulling. Still not something I see often enough in my bracket. I can usually get it if I ask specifically, but all too often I'll still get games where I can just imagine the blank stares on their faces when I ask. It is a more advanced tactic that I wouldn't expect someone newer to the game to know about, but it can be really critical to doing well at least in your safe lane. Not sure/haven't had much practice on how to do the hard camp pull on Dire (from either side) though. I have successfully done a Radiant pull-through a couple times, but usually I'll just have it stacked.
elmariachi
Banned
But his isn't even part of the pro scene, I don't remember the last time I saw him picked/banned.
ill uninstall HoN, when dota2 has midwars.
pieatorium
Member
He was picked and banned a few times last night in the western quals and even before then pops up in the second round of bans reasonably often, mostly against teams that are known to run him.
elmariachi
Banned
Maybe I have not been paying that much attention but to me PL seems a mostly ignored hero at this point.
pieatorium
Member
He's not prioritized as a carry but he shows up, probably as much as AM (which is another that isn't prioritized as much). Hes seen much less of a drop off as Sven, Lycan, Naga or Morph and still shows up more than CK, Alch, SF, Tiny or Void
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