It has always had a cd, it used to be 5 seconds before 6.75 when it was changed to 1 and then in 6.76 it was changed to 2.Really? When did they add it? Totally missed.
I assume he means the new players on the receiving end.
Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]
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You're asking for the impossible. Game is fine as-is for both Pubs and pros.
What do you think isn't fair for pubs?
SteveWinwood
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Yeah, it will wreck the new people who don't know how to delta split.
Ah okay, thanks.
New player here, currently dabbling with Lich, Keeper of the light and Sven.
Guess I'm going to have to google how to do that
.CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Bloodstone on Skeleton King core. Calling it.
SteveWinwood
Member
Ah okay, thanks.
New player here, currently dabbling with Lich, Keeper of the light and Sven.
Guess I'm going to have to google how to do that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuNbux-mzIs#t=93s
poppedcollar69
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Still countered by tp.
It'll be traumatizing to go up against. His ult punishes you for being together with your team, and in lower pub games people stick together even after eating a Lich ult. This just punishes them even more.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Its a shame the buyback restriction on Necrolyte's ult is linked to Aghanims, if only because requiring that seems like it won't allow him to enter the competitive scene now. Maybe I'm wrong, but while I could see people running Necro for the buyback disable on his own, requiring a 4300 gold build on a non-farmer seems like too much.
Ah well
Ah well
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Vengeful almost has 3 strength grow rate. Bigger than some STR heroes.
CM still has shit MS, fuck you Icefrog. Necro is always farming bro!
CM still has shit MS, fuck you Icefrog. Necro is always farming bro!
If it's balanced at the top it usually just means that people need to learn how to play against it.
This is especially the case when it comes to an hero like Zeus who really doesn't need any nerf.
Silencer has horrible farming ability since he has no AoE. For Silencer to get an Agha in a reasonable amount of time he'll have to be put in the 1 or 2 position which is risky since he isn't the best carry in the game.
Most teams play currently Silencer in the 4 role which means his farm will be weak throughout most of the game.
I'm not too worried about that.
Necro Agha on the other hand? What the fuck Icefraud
If Necro becomes a top pick/ban (and he will), he will be played as a 1-2 carry and get lots of farm. His typical item progression will probably be Treads -> Mek -> Agha -> Sheep
Necrolyte is a carry, if a team picks him he won't have any problem getting that gold.
Also all the time the same argument: no you can't balance for both competitive and pubs, it's impossible.
They can try.
I expected fatal bonds to get nerfed at least.
But I guess the majority of heros getting buffs means they can deal with heros with a currently high win rate easier.
Yup. Anyone running him as a support is doing it wrong.
Im so disappointed in you Tech.
Necro has one of the best farming tools in the game, and gets infinitely better as he gets more money.
How is he not a farmer?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oh I know he's a carry, I love running him that way, but I don't know if the ult upgrade is enough for him to be run as a carry compared to other carries. I usually play him because its fun, rarely because I think he's going to be more effective then say, a Luna, or even a Void. I don't think this upgrade is enough to catapult him into that level, which means that anyone who would consider running him is probably going to run him on the utility of the ult, which is probably going to put him in at least 3, which isn't going to result in a fast Aghs.
poppedcollar69
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Hooray armlet bear nerf tho.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Heals=support brah
Necro is capable of a lot of damage by just standing next to a hero. He gets retardly tanky, and it punishes very farmed heroes.
Boosting CM's mana regen passive and Freezing Field explosion radius is the new Treant base damage buff.
dorkimoe
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Shadow wave, its in the patch
are those 2 new heroes completely new? or they from doto 1?
Shadow wave, its in the patch
Shallow Grave was changed to to through magic immune this patch, not his heal.
Her damage is so awful. I don't know what Icefrog is waiting for. Maybe added it as a goal in the Compendium.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Oh and the Mag nerfs are pretty severe between the RP damage and bottle-crowing.
He was already falling off, but I definitely think he's out of the meta now. More Enigma picks?
And the bottle-crow nerf should prove to be interesting. You'll probably want more sustainable heroes in mid, so expect the pool to narrow and have a lot more QoP, Skywrath, etc.
Again I really dig the DK change, though you won't really be able to run him mid like the Chinese teams have been, so kind of a mixed bag for him. He's going to wreck team fights mid-game though with AoE poison.
He was already falling off, but I definitely think he's out of the meta now. More Enigma picks?
And the bottle-crow nerf should prove to be interesting. You'll probably want more sustainable heroes in mid, so expect the pool to narrow and have a lot more QoP, Skywrath, etc.
Again I really dig the DK change, though you won't really be able to run him mid like the Chinese teams have been, so kind of a mixed bag for him. He's going to wreck team fights mid-game though with AoE poison.
Gotta drain dat mana
Changes look good though, so when they coming to dota 2 today? Next week?
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
She also needs a ms boost, 300 for a mounted unit who's primarely a ganker is dumb.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Thank god. Of the big AoE initiator-controllers Enigma is the most interesting to watch actually work. Tidehunter and Magnus both overstayed their welcome quickly for me in the competitive scene.
And if Icefrog keep it up, in a few patches Mana Drain break threshold will be just about global.
I think he half wants her to be a utility hero with her arrow and invis but she is too reliant on set up for a support or utility.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Viper is one of those heroes that keeps getting buffed, and no one pays attention.
I for one, love the dude.
I for one, love the dude.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Necro forces people from lane just by standing there. Can be horribly annoying. With the strategic value of the Aghs buff, I could definitely see him become top material as a 1 or 2. You wouldn't run him in a 4-protect-1, but as part of a 2 or 3 core lineup with some other heroes to dish out burst DPS.
dorkimoe
Member
He used to be my highest win rate, so good. So easy to last hit with
WES!!!!!!! <3 Yeah that maledict change..i cant wait to go home and try that
Schweinehund
Member
o wow, how did I miss that lifestealer/magnus nerf?
Lifestealer may stick around but magnus probably just lost his mid position.
Lifestealer may stick around but magnus probably just lost his mid position.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
So Gotta Go Fast Phase Boots Doom with Aghs can keep his ult on someone until they die or make it to base?
If you cant appreciate a good off lane tide, I have no words.
CarbonatedFalcon
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Well Tidehunter got a pretty decent buff this patch too:
So he might picked up more again. Damage is still down from previous patches though.
balladofwindfishes
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won't people just bottle crow with a bottle with 1 charge left? It's basically sacrificing one charge for faster courier movement, and I think in the long term faster courier speed is worth one less short term charge.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Its a nerf either way
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