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DOTA 2 |OT6| Plz vote for Keeper of the Light Arcana
- Thread starter Teknopathetic
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id rather have 6.82 still
after TI you always hit this period where everyone mongoloid picks the same 15-20 heroes they saw at TI (i.e. doom, razor, void, shadow shaman, tide, enigma, etc...) and it gets very tiring. I really hope icefrog never takes as long as he did last year (3+ months post-TI) to get a balance patch to inject some chaos and keep things fresh. It's even better in this "dead-zone" reshuffle period where not many tournaments are happening, so people don't have drafts to copy and just yolo experiment.
SteveWinwood
Member
big sean sucks
call_kotaku
Member
I actually like her more for her pushing ability than her teamfighting. Trying to dodge and weave in a team fight with her is really tricky since you need to maintain distance to actually do anything but she doesn't have sniper's attack range or a real escape or a real disable.
The only thing she has in common with Viper is an orb slow, I don't think they fill the same niche at all.
Once I played ability draft and drafted Drow's aura and Visage's familiars on the same hero. Post laning I sat in fountain occasionally activating my aura while my birds (infested by Smilax with Infest) flew around and killed things. It was like I was really playing Drow!
i kid, drow can be very effective with a proper draft, especially when she has space to devour towers
I usually need 1 month to clean my desk etc before I can work again after TI. Seems about right.
Imp the Dimp
Member
Drow is pretty decent at the moment actually. Her new Gust elevated her from uber trash tier and she has an easier time keeping space between herself the and the enemy. Also, she ain't really a worse Viper. Obviously, Viper is one of the strongest heroes in the pool at the moment, but Drow excels at other things quite well like tower pushing. She also scales better late game but yeah, overall Viper is a little too strong at the moment probably. Doesn't make Drow Huskar-tier shit though.
The_Hitcher89
Member
Drow is smashing me atm. That ability that slows you and does bonus damage basically forces you to fight her unless you have a TPS or TP ability, and it's a fight she often wins regardless if she gets the jump on you and you don't have a teammate to help out
people underestimate how hard Drow hit, 40 attack speed and 40 damage at level 6 is no joke.
Its like getting almost 2 eaglesong or 6000is gold
neurosisxeno
Member
This is definitely true. I also think most people that play her underestimate how effective she is. You can totally push and force fights once you hit 6 as Drow as long as you have Treads and probably a Ring of Aquila. If you play well you can get a Yasha and HoD by the time you hit 11 and you're an absolute menace. I often go Cryst before Manta if I'm snowballing and you can 2-3 shot supports and melt enemy carries.
Shes a glass tho
If the other team has even the smallest idea on what to do, she wont even get to truck status
Imp the Dimp
Member
I always get Mask of Madness on Drow. On Sniper too. Positioning is key so might as well go full glass cannon. You shouldn't pick her against heroes who have an easy time closing the gap obviously. Spirit Breaker and PA ruin her pretty bad.
The thing is, Drow doesn't suddenly exist in a vacuum. If your team knows what they are doing (inb4 Trench, they don't bla bla bla) then they should be trying to prevent the enemy getting to you. At the very least, they can go apply pressure as 4 somewhere whilst you demolish towers elsewhere, kinda like TB or Lycan. And if one comes back to defend, then a lot of the time you are actually the stronger 1v1 hero. If more come back, you just bail and your 4 win their part of the map.
you can gust SB mid charge and should have enough time to kill him while he's silenced
it also works on Huskar's life break, TA meld, SK sandstorm and Riki invisibility
usually in pubs I see people trying to walk towards her at -60% move speed and then panicking when they suddenly below 40% health in 3-4 hits and try to run away and then just died
Drow works in pubs because people don't know how to play agaisnt her. I've seen my friends trying to run away from her instead of towards her to disable her ult. Once the ult is gone, she's pretty weak. I know this because she's my most successful hero.
I like to pick weaver to counter her, if you don't die during the gust (and usually you won't, unless there is a huge farm difference), she's dead.
I like to pick weaver to counter her, if you don't die during the gust (and usually you won't, unless there is a huge farm difference), she's dead.
The_Hitcher89
Member
From what I've played, Drow can;t handle being attacked by 2 at once, or even the threat of such an attack. Like Riki in the low MMR pubs, if you get stuck isolated against her, it's tough to escape, especially if you panic like I do and don't TP
Imp the Dimp
Member
Yeah right. She's the best, dude.
However, she ain't as good as Terrorblade contrary to what Hazaro says. She pushes nowhere near as fast and has limited team fight contribution. Also doesn't scale as well late game as TB.
that's a given since TB is a harder carry
I would say that TB have a slightly better early game pre level 6, Drow is better at 6-16 and after that TB take over again
Shorty11857
Member
If Drow gets freefarm she is incredibly strong in the early mid game, similar to Sniper as it's really hard to close the gap to her. If you can get a blink on someone with a stun though generally she can become a non-factor pretty quickly
The_Hitcher89
Member
Sometimes if someone picks Drow I like to pick Sniper just so we can fight. I find the matchup quite fun, trying to get the drop on each other and trying to keep space.
Not the best matchup but damn fun imo.
Imp the Dimp
Member
Not sure if I agree with that honestly. TB is pretty squishy pre 6 but his Q-E combo can be hard to lane against if you are out of position even once. Post 7 he just wrecks and never falls off. 100% illusion uptime is pretty useful. Farming with him is also a breeze with an illusion tanking and him having a huge Agi gain and thus high armor.
call_kotaku
Member
It's the reason I don't ever play All-Pick, because people actively choose to lose at the pick stage. It's like C9 levels of drafting throws, but in every game instead of just the deciding games of BO3s.
EDIT: The amount of hate for Pinoys in twitch chat of this Rave vs MVP game is pretty amazing. I'm guessing they're the Peruvians of SEA? I've only played with Pinoys once and they were a pretty standard feeder/flamer stack, I didn't know they were so hated.
Shorty11857
Member
Is this by any chance free to watch ingame? My internet is worse than usual these days.
Yes.
Shorty11857
Member
http://www.twitch.tv/joindotared
NAR'vi against WaytoSexy's new team, Wayto's team has Medusa and Huskar...
NAR'vi against WaytoSexy's new team, Wayto's team has Medusa and Huskar...
Us Pinoys are the BMs of the entire dotaverse. From SEA to Russia
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
What drow needs is the range from marksmanship reduced or just simply removed in this age of blink initiators.
StrongArmSteady
Member
you can make your money back on it right? at least you could a few days ago
Imp the Dimp
Member
She'd be better than before she got into CM. That was when pubs were in tears over her OPness. She had a 58 win% or something. Now, with her vastly superior silence...
Dreams-Visions
Member
Just sell the hammer. It's still going for like 9.80. You get the ticket for like $0.60 in the end.
That would be nice, but honestly it is hard to complain as this still remains one of the best patches in my opinion. Besides, if you get fed up with regular Doto, custom games are always there now. Plus I just really enjoy experimenting with the workshop tools.
Marauder Shields
Member
DDZ Tinker lol.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Lots of people understand how to play Drow but don't execute it properly. AFK right-clicking and tunnel-visioning is doing it wrong. You can't be lazy with Drow. Orb walking, proper positioning, and multi hero silences are skills that have to be developed to win games.
If you have level 3 or better frost arrows, nobody should be able to walk close to you to cancel your aura in the first place because you should be orb walking them. Even if they can, gust is your get out of trouble free card. Gust away the Riki's, bounty hunters, spirit breakers, huskar's and PA's, then murder them.
I often engage as many as 3 different targets with the slow in team fights to keep them all slow rather than just focusing one target. I never have frost arrows on auto cast. I press Q when I want it, and regular autos when I don't (for the lifesteal or whatever orb I may have bought).
Right now Drow is my favorite Tinker countermeasure. That's a hero that never buys BKB. Six seconds of silence is his death. Repeatedly.
As with any carry, she needs proper support for laning phase unless she has a reasonable 1v1. Unlike most carries, she can still recover from a bad start and be relevant later. Might need to rush a Shadowblade. Might need to rush a blink dagger. Might need to rush a BKB.
But really, the biggest problems I see with Drow players come mid game are poor orb walking skills, poor positioning, and extremely poor Gust casts. Oh, and poor skill builds. Maxing silence last is doing it fucking wrong.
If you have level 3 or better frost arrows, nobody should be able to walk close to you to cancel your aura in the first place because you should be orb walking them. Even if they can, gust is your get out of trouble free card. Gust away the Riki's, bounty hunters, spirit breakers, huskar's and PA's, then murder them.
I often engage as many as 3 different targets with the slow in team fights to keep them all slow rather than just focusing one target. I never have frost arrows on auto cast. I press Q when I want it, and regular autos when I don't (for the lifesteal or whatever orb I may have bought).
Right now Drow is my favorite Tinker countermeasure. That's a hero that never buys BKB. Six seconds of silence is his death. Repeatedly.
As with any carry, she needs proper support for laning phase unless she has a reasonable 1v1. Unlike most carries, she can still recover from a bad start and be relevant later. Might need to rush a Shadowblade. Might need to rush a blink dagger. Might need to rush a BKB.
But really, the biggest problems I see with Drow players come mid game are poor orb walking skills, poor positioning, and extremely poor Gust casts. Oh, and poor skill builds. Maxing silence last is doing it fucking wrong.
Just pick doom against shadowblade drow, thats what I did. Actually, just pick doom against anything that annoys you. Its great therapy.
Also, for the love of god. Doom is extremely squishy at lvl 1, please dont try to go man-mode with him and 1v1 heroes early on. 0.54 base armor is NOT tanky.
Also, for the love of god. Doom is extremely squishy at lvl 1, please dont try to go man-mode with him and 1v1 heroes early on. 0.54 base armor is NOT tanky.