I find the WePlay Season 3 tournament format explanation video highly amusing, I can't quite put my finger on why though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWi7zpjQl5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWi7zpjQl5s
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DOTA 2 |OT6| Plz vote for Keeper of the Light Arcana
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Schweinehund
Member
This thread really wasn't different before MMR. There were plenty of callouts.
Just like it won't be different in a post surrender world
Not sure if tournament, or large scale software architecture...
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
I just whish I knew who was in a stack, and who isn't. and have an option just to play with people who aren't in stacks, without having to play ranked.
Dreams-Visions
Member
we should have known.
Looks like i got fortunate and got a crazy/good pub for once. Over one hour, down to a 20% ancient against 5 rax, failed the desperation push but somehow still managed to win.
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/837003140
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/837003140
MMR itself is good. Nice to be able to rate yourself and growth. Like every community though even this one has people that incessantly post about it and their goals and how the system fucks them over on purpose with a vengeful, intelligent mind.
I think there are just better items at each point of the game. Radiance or maelstrom are better for pushing lanes and farming early, AC helps you kill towers and also makes the bear harder to kill, and after that you start to reach the point where you need to itemize against whatever the other carries are building. The bear already crushes towers with demolish.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
manfestival
Member
procarbine can you teach me how to come out of the trench? I am tired of being a bad doter 2 player
Glass Shark
Banned
This is going to sound facetious, but this bad attitude is probably really affecting your play and your team. The biggest change I have made to my play in the past month is to make a concerted effort to be positive and helpful. Not just to not be negative, but to purposefully be positive. Ask for things nicely, try to help out, take over in a leadership role if no one is leading, tell your team good job for getting ganks and other things.
I was never a negative player before, but you can turn the tide of a game if your team starts calling early gg and you can redirect. I am not a very good player, but being positive and mediocre at the game is better than joining in on the rage fest. I've raised my MMR 300+ points in just a month with this perspective.
Also, play support.
Cooldown unchanged, she just has the option to regain health if needed, at the expense of ending the damage.
I dont think so. Its most of her DPS so maybe ending early should only give 50-75% HP
it would already give back 50-75% because the healing is based on the dmg she deals with ult so if she she ends it early she barely gets healed.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
I wasn't even being negative. its just that he kept harping on this one dude, and all I said was "common man your 0/5/ leave him alone" and he just said "oh yea, well I am not gonna use my chrono anymore". that's when I called him whiney and butthurt. and he stopped talking.
I don't think I've ever seen a DP not get fully healed after her ult ended. It would definitely make her stronger, especially with something like a Eul's.
Wok
Member
Very High skill bracket confirmed trench-tier. What are we supposed to look at? Your KDA? Your items?
- I see you carry a tp scroll, you must be 7k+ MMR: you know they can push the barracks, they got two T1 towers afterall, these rat pushers.
- Gem is a pro-choice against a Nyx whose only item is Dagon and who got a single kill during the whole game.
I was talking about, you know, the way the hero is played. For instance, a Pudge who knows where to hide and when to gank. I have no idea whether you know how to invoke the right spells and the right combos based on a dotabuff page. Watching the replay would maybe not change a damn thing here, because the match was a total stomp with a fed Huskar. At best, it shows matchmaking is broken. Anyway, your example is a good way to make fun of my argument by exaggerating it and making it look ridiculous. What was "based on my observations of some players during some matches, I can safely say these players are skilled with these heroes, have a good map awareness and take good decisions during the game, while those others players are not as good" became"lol look at my dotabuff ez game ez mmr ez life commend me plz i am pro".
How can someone trust MMR more than watching replays, I have no idea. My guess is MMR it reassuring: we finally have a total order on the set of players, the MMR system has to be right, otherwise I won't be able to sleep at night.
lol the words of a low-tier noob lord. Exposed by Valve rekt
have mercy
So, Hylian, I was talking about your most recent Storm game with someone who lurks the thread. They watched the replay for laughs and gave me the play-by-play on your Storm. I was giving some you advice earlier, but wasn't entirely confident in my words because I'm not actually a Storm player. My associate, however, is. Here it is, pared down slightly so it's less caustic, but still retaining a hint of #reeltawk for piquancy. I agree with all his points, and I think a lot of people in this thread could benefit from the same advice.
Some of the rest of MaddenGAF is supposed to have a team put together, but they've been too lazy to actually register yet.
Guidos need a mid player for us to make a return cus Rael has no internet. We have me, G.ZZZ, Demoli and a mate of his atm.
for reference: http://www.giantbomb.com/dota-2/3030-32887/forums/dota-2-community-tournament-2nd-edition-sign-ups-1491827/#3
Assuming there will be about a week left for signups, maybe less or more who knows. Anyhow, skill levels in this tourney are all over the place and first round is all bo1's so don't be too afraid to join, should be fun. Closest thing we are going to get to a gaf tourney for awhile.
Good advice, but one question: the maxing pull thing. I go 3 pull because that was what everyone said the standard build is, why is that wrong now?
I don't think there's much of a difference between those two things to be honest. Being the better player usually just means you are more cognizant of when your opponent is making a mistake and knowing how to punish that mistake.
That's not really a good reason to do something.
EEEH WE NID A MITTLE
SteveWinwood
Member
bro you part of stevewinwood stack team?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Map awareness and understanding of game flow man. Map awareness pretty self explanatory, keep one eye on that map and know where the other team is, where they're moving, and what items they have.
On game flow: one of the things I've talked about in mumble recently is that I feel many less experienced dota players just float around randomly in games. The game starts, you wait about 6 minutes, then you start spinning this wheel.
I'm godlike at MSPaint.
Instead of playing this way, focus on having a plan during the game or employ better decision making based on what's happening right now, the current game state. Some examples to give a better idea of what I mean:
In a trilane, instead of just smoking out of nowhere, or maybe your mid asked for a gank and you try to force it, set it up. Have the carry push the lane a little, make it look like you're just going for another pull, and then smoke and go. This way if the offlane goes to look at the pull you'll be close to your target before they even realize you're missing, or may not even call it because they assumed it was a pull.
Or smoke ganking in general: rather than smoking and running into the jungle with five heroes missing, take the time to set up some wards and make sure you don't walk into a situation where the entire enemy team can respond immediately and blow it up.
In the middle of an even game:
a) Think: "Rosh hasn't died for a while, let's go over and kill rosh. We have wards up and if we smoke they won't be able to see it!" This is often incredibly dangerous, the other team will see you aren't farming any lanes and aren't showing up on any wards. They will think either gank or rosh, and either fall back or head to the pit themselves, setting you up for a risky situation. Instead, try for rosh after you get a favorable engagement, succeed at a gank, or even get a key AoE ultimate wasted. In a situation where you have a baseline, obvious advantage they often won't even bother to contest, but use with caution. High mobility rosh steals or good aoe ultimates that are still up can turn the fight. Same idea applies to pushing, or taking any objective. Disclaimer, if the other team is dumb, just running in is probably fine.
b) "Let's push something!" Instead of just pushing randomly, same sort of thing as roshan. Maybe get a pick with a smoke gank under some aggressive wards, win some sort of small clash convincingly, etc. Another common push trigger it waiting for a big item to complete on a core hero that will help them greatly. Early on this will often mean core items like blink or bkb, later on it will mean hitting the next luxury item like AC, Crit, Bfly, etc. Pushing as soon as you complete a luxury item often helps it's value when you're ahead, as the competing cores will still be on components. There are times where you will be pushing without a trigger like this and that's fine too. It usually happens when you're confident in your team's ability to win the fight 5v5 or when you need to be ending the game. In general, be aware of how the game is going, and know when to exercise that advantage.
With regard to farm, there are times for farm and there are times for action. Sometimes cores need to TP in to help in fights or pushes, sometimes one needs to farm while others apply pressure, and other times you just need to ward up and get farm as a team. Giving examples or triggers for these situations is harder, and it often comes back to overall game state. In general, know your role for these situations and play your part when it matters. Don't be the support that respawns and runs to the jungle to farm late game when your team is trying to set up a game winning push.
Note that this is a very hard concept to master, I know that I'm very far from it myself and have learned a lot about it in the last couple years of playing. But understanding the game's flow and current state and letting that dictate your actions, in my opinion, lets you cross over from running around doing things to actually playing the game. Better done in a stack with friends, of course.
#SlackingOnFridayAtWork
If you or the benefactor could look at any of my games I would be super grateful!
If you guys don't mind my puny 3.6k mmr I can join and mid, I even promise ill train going mid more!
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wow ok nerd go write a book
This. Fuck, it has been a long day.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Wait you know what books are?
It's not wrong, per se, but you need to be flexible with Storm and understand the relative merits of each of his possible builds. Maxing pull turns you into a team fighter/initiator rather than a solo pubstomp ganker. Is this what you want to do on Storm? Is this the best option for the current matchup? You need to recognize these things.
But this goes back to A.B.'s comment about how you mimic builds, but don't understand the justification for them. When we were talking about Tinker, and you told me you were afraid to kill him solo, I couldn't comprehend, because Tinker is food for Storm at 6. Now I know its because of your build.
This is what you were thinking when the game started: "I'm going to max pull because some people told me to max pull, it's the only build I'm familiar with and it's the most popular build on DOTABUFF."
This is what you needed to think: "Well, Tinker is going to be a problem. And I'm the best positioned to kill him solo before he goes online, so I should probably max my killing power. I don't need to stun him for very long because he has no counter stuns. Just long enough to get a few hits on him. He's not very mobile either, so I can punish that with Overloads and orb walking."
As an aside, these are the Storm builds pro players tend to use, in competitive and in pubs.
Singsing: 1/1/3 or 2/1/2 or 2/0/3 or 1/0/3/stats or whatever
RTZ: 1/1/3
EE: 3/1/1 or 3/0/2
s4: 1/2/2
Singsing's Storm is flexible, he skills depending on the matchup and what he thinks his team needs. He's also a bit clowny and experimental, but he's good enough to make up for it.
RTZ plays Storm like he plays all his mid gankers: aggressive and snowbally. He leverages early game performance to turn into a late game carry, despite how quickly Storm falls off past ~16.
EE is just pure clown. He plays storm like a passive farming carry, going soul ring and max remnants to farm waves and jungle camps. It never really works out, but there it is.
s4 is the one who go heavy into pull first, and he gets 2 in overload for the damage. I believe it has more to do with Alliance than himself. It's not really a pub build, it's one finely tuned for their strategies.
The lesson here isn't that you should stop going 1/1/3, then max pull. It's that if you're going to level Storm this way, you need to have a good reason for it.
A.B. had one more thing to add after seeing your response.
But this goes back to A.B.'s comment about how you mimic builds, but don't understand the justification for them. When we were talking about Tinker, and you told me you were afraid to kill him solo, I couldn't comprehend, because Tinker is food for Storm at 6. Now I know its because of your build.
This is what you were thinking when the game started: "I'm going to max pull because some people told me to max pull, it's the only build I'm familiar with and it's the most popular build on DOTABUFF."
This is what you needed to think: "Well, Tinker is going to be a problem. And I'm the best positioned to kill him solo before he goes online, so I should probably max my killing power. I don't need to stun him for very long because he has no counter stuns. Just long enough to get a few hits on him. He's not very mobile either, so I can punish that with Overloads and orb walking."
As an aside, these are the Storm builds pro players tend to use, in competitive and in pubs.
Singsing: 1/1/3 or 2/1/2 or 2/0/3 or 1/0/3/stats or whatever
RTZ: 1/1/3
EE: 3/1/1 or 3/0/2
s4: 1/2/2
Singsing's Storm is flexible, he skills depending on the matchup and what he thinks his team needs. He's also a bit clowny and experimental, but he's good enough to make up for it.
RTZ plays Storm like he plays all his mid gankers: aggressive and snowbally. He leverages early game performance to turn into a late game carry, despite how quickly Storm falls off past ~16.
EE is just pure clown. He plays storm like a passive farming carry, going soul ring and max remnants to farm waves and jungle camps. It never really works out, but there it is.
s4 is the one who go heavy into pull first, and he gets 2 in overload for the damage. I believe it has more to do with Alliance than himself. It's not really a pub build, it's one finely tuned for their strategies.
The lesson here isn't that you should stop going 1/1/3, then max pull. It's that if you're going to level Storm this way, you need to have a good reason for it.
A.B. had one more thing to add after seeing your response.
I won't volunteer his services because he watched Hylian's replay for shits and giggles, but I can probably help. Pick a few games where you felt really confused as to why you lost, preferably one without obvious throwers on your team, and I'll try to look it over in a timely manner.
Makes sense. I used to go 1/1/3 a while back and everyone told me it was wrong and 1/3/1 was the standard though, including this thread.
Also I'm going to guess AB is the same person that commentated in the Shadow Shaman game a long time ago?
SteveWinwood
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i am ab
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I am A.B.