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Dota 2 |OT7| What the fuck have they done
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That's like saying Scythe of Vyse shouldn't be targetable on creeps because it is too hard to get the hero if they walk into a cluster of creeps.
manfestival
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windrun should be passive like backtrack but it gives movement speed and evasion of physical only
There is a hero targeting priority, I'm pretty sure of that.
Trees, however, have very wonky hitboxes, and if you're chasing someone who'll show up for maybe a split second, it's very easy to hit the wrong tree.
I would argue that being able to target creeps is a pretty marginal feature of sheep that possibly exists as a balancing factor (or persists as such, in the sense that it wasn't created as one but it is now) in such a situation, yes, because the amounts of times it ends up being useful is far less (is there even an instance of that with lane creeps?) than the amounts of times it fucks people over.
But I wouldn't say to remove it because, as I said, that is part of the balancing of Sheepstick, and to remove it a case should be made for it needing to be taken out because, after all, it's the person that wants to change the status quo that has to find the reasons for it, not the opposite. And I would hardly say that Sheep needs a buff (because I would regard it such)
That considered, I would count Shackle being able to target trees as actually a nerf for it, because the times it would fuck people over I estimate would vastly outnumber the times it would be of benefit.
Mechanical barriers are, after all, part of balancing.
And as I already said and Haly reiterated, when people juke in the trees, you don't even SEE them if not for split seconds, hardly the same case as people moving among creeps.
I think her strength might be that she has the potential to stun two heroes for 3.75s with an ability on a 12s CD. Mirana's strength is arrow, WR's is shackle. Dat big skill-shot disable.
Man I remember when people were all saying, "mirana won't ever be picked because WR is just a better version!" O' how the times have changed. Anyhow, I think we'll just see more focus fire buffs. It's still a relatively underwhelming ultimate, and the rest of windrunner's skills are already amazing. Maybe shackle to a 4s stun at max level.
And yeah, I think volodja might be right here. Making shackle targettable on trees, might just make WR's winrate go down unintentionally as lower level players desperately click in the trees and miss 9/10 blind shackle shots with a million possible tree to tree linkingsl, instead of just windrunning into the trees, getting some vision, and nailing a guaranteed shackle.
What separates Mirana from WR, though, is the utility behind their ults. Focus Fire is just too narrow and not strong enough for the kind of hero WR is. Why give her mid when you can give it to someone with a worthwhile ult?
I actually like it this way. It gives learning heroes a sense of discovery you don't get in a game like League, where every skill is designed with a clear "optimal usage" in mind.
Every time I play Osu! I die a little on the inside because I know that Nintendo will never release another EBA.
WR ult is good for rosh and towers if we had to define a strength for it
EBA for wii u, believe.
He's very reliant on his team now, both in lane and during the mid to late game when he wants room to split push (also needs teammates to initiate for him so he can sit in the back with multiple illusions).
The popular pub fotm picks are usually the lone wolf or the "I'm going to 1v5 heroes" aka old TB, current Void, tinker, and razor (to name a few). These are heroes that you pick and don't immediately think, "gee I hope my team supports me for 15 minutes and initiates for me and blablabla," na, you pick one of these guys, go offlane or mid and then do your own thing. TB can do his own thing once he has a minimum of 5 items.
Sure, along with a TWEWY sequel too. Maybe have a countdown that just hypes to a fucking iOS port.
I already considered a change of priorities in targeting, it doesn't help much with targets that drift in and out of sight in half a second.
In general the chance to click the wrong thing is probably higher than the chance that this addition would be useful. After all it is basically a blind shackle.
After all we have professional players that Doom or hex the wrong thing once in a while, and that's an harder mistake to make than the scenario I presented.
He's such an insanely good pub hero. Magical AOE + 2s stun + 2 escapes + initiation for your team that won't fight + can AFK jungle for free.
Can even split push later with caustic.
Agreed, better offlane so you can just kill enemy carry at 6 and over and over again. Literally nothing they can do.
Not as good as DP
Also Mirana is good at Rosh from level 1 >____>
this is the exact problem with WR, her strengths are out shined by other heroes easily.
there are heroes that fill her roll and then some.
The_Hitcher89
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How would you guys deal with the Abandonning issue? I can't think of a way to do it so it punishes actual abandoners, and is more lenient on people who just have unforeseen internet issues
gain vision of targeted hero for duration of focus fire, and increase the range of focus fire
Heavy's Sandvich
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Focus fire has chance to mini stun.
SteveWinwood
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omg yes
Procarbine
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How about she can attack while moving as long as shes facing her target.
What was that thing from StarCraft II called that could move while attacking? It was only in the campaign.
Focus Fire replaced by Tempest:
Windrunner (ranger ugh) summons a large Hurricane that covers the targeted area. Inside this area, enemies are slowed by 100% if they turn to face the direction of the wind.
No idea how this would work coding wise or if it's under or over powered but hey, throwing ideas out.
Windrunner (ranger ugh) summons a large Hurricane that covers the targeted area. Inside this area, enemies are slowed by 100% if they turn to face the direction of the wind.
No idea how this would work coding wise or if it's under or over powered but hey, throwing ideas out.
is there a widespread abandoning issue?
Think the system is fine as isdo it too often, and you get thrown in LPQ. Ragequit one game a month or have some issues? That's okay.
Diamondback Tanks.
I don't really understand the single target nature of Focus Fire. I think the Frog just wanted something to go with the name because it's outshone by every other similar ult.
DP's is better for DPS because she can cast, attack and move during it, it just deals more damage, and she can hit more than one target.
Troll's is better as AS because it's a global buff, and he's a hero that works well with AS.
Lion/Lina are better at single target damage because burst is better than damage over time for killing one guy very fast.
DP's is better for DPS because she can cast, attack and move during it, it just deals more damage, and she can hit more than one target.
Troll's is better as AS because it's a global buff, and he's a hero that works well with AS.
Lion/Lina are better at single target damage because burst is better than damage over time for killing one guy very fast.
sleverfunk
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So EG was invited on the WAC tournament but they declined.
I was thinking the wind would be going in a straight line rather than a tornado. I failed at naming, pls forgive me. What do you think of the idea though, could it be useful?
Procarbine
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Yeah but what you said and what I said are completely different. Either way it wasn't too serious and would just be useless.
Phoenixes do it, protoss air to air units, and it would be like that. Also they are not just in campaign.
Yup yup yup yup yup.
If I could just get my jungle sped up a little bit faster to get blink at say 8 instead of 10 I'd be pumped.
I think it's conceptually neat but I have to ask "Why would I want this over Centaur's ult?".
I don't think it would be useless. I play Mael-Blink/Force WR now, and one of my problems is sticking to a target long enough to get the full benefit from Focus Fire. If I just right click, WR will do a kind of awkward shuffle as she catches up and then moves forward and inch before attempting another attack. Which means I need to orb walk her despite having max attack speed, missing out on attacks and leaving room for retaliation. If I could chase and cast spells without stopping my attacks, her early game ganks would be much more consistent.
She would still be bad but more consistent at being bad at least.
Cus the other team can't run away if used properly. Cast it so the wind is going toward you at a chokepoint for instance, and they can't get out. It forces them to man up, and could prevent disengages (or force them to buy forcestaffs as a counter.)
Edit: and if you put it facing away from your team then any blink initiators will be nervous as their team can't follow up quickly. It forces them to invest in mobility, which can give you an edge. I don't know how long the duration or the size of the AOE would be.
BigAT had the one I was thinking of. It's been a long time since I played SC2 and forgot Phoenixes could do that.
Is it Global?
SteveWinwood
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it could go one way only, last longer, have the slow if you go against it or something
i dunno i like that idea
Yeah this is what I was thinking.
GAFStack meta is always a few months ahead of the pro meta.
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