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DOTA2 |OT14| i give up like your pubs do
- Thread starter Artanisix
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He's actually balanced though.
hanzo is perfect right now tbQh
alt costume with the top of his kimono tied around his waist pls blizzard
Things we definitely need for certain characters:
"Fresh Meat" voice line for Roadhog
Raiden or Grey Fox skin for Genji
D.Va having an emote where she claps and says "Congratulations - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NuFVQk_CCs
NormalFish
Banned
he's balanced by 20 tick shit servers
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Damnit I kinda want to buy overwatch
I'm sure it's going to be fucking miserable to play alone but otherwise it's great fun
But I'm so terrible
But I need a good shooter in my life again
Decisions...
I'm sure it's going to be fucking miserable to play alone but otherwise it's great fun
But I'm so terrible
But I need a good shooter in my life again
Decisions...
whereas in CSGO snipers are balanced because they hack
NormalFish
Banned
??? awp isn't balanced, silly.
dont worry overwatch is already infested just like CS and it isn't even officially out yet rofl
may prime matchmaking save us all
amount of public aimlocks in csgo > a billion
amount of public aimlocks in overwatch > ????
NormalFish
Banned
> everyone
we are gonna have a crew going for it rodriguez. and the cross region play isn't bad at all (like 100 ping).
Miracle is gonna get 9K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF7LQxQ4zss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF7LQxQ4zss
shira
Member
Ah Paragon my safety net from hax
SecretMoblin
Member
heidy
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Ya I think there's enough people buying it that there'll always be someone to play with.
The only issue is that I get really pissed off when I suck at something, but I made some slight progress so that should be fine.
SecretMoblin
Member
I'm even worse at oversatch than I am at pota but game is fun so who tf cares
get into blink lich
get into blink lich
yet
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
As a closed beta player I had a ton of fun with overwatch for a few months, but after that the game burned out for me. The game is composition based, so playing with playing with pubs is most often a nightmare filled with shitty widows and genjis. If you play with a full 6 stack and you care about winning you need to have people that enjoy playing tanks/healers, otherwise you have to rotate playing something that isn't very fun.
Playing support or utility is usually fun for me in dota, unless it's consecutive 5 pos games against invis, but something about not being able to kill people effectively in a shooter just drains all the fun out of it for me. These days I'd rather just play CS where I can be a "support" based on the things that I do rather than the class I choose, and not be limited by it. If you can take yourself out of the FPS mindset and instead apply a MOBA or MMO style I'm sure it can be very fun, but I can't. Being almost completely helpless to a class based counterpick, ie support getting flanked by genji, tracer, reaper, mccree, just feels terrible.
TLDR: In my experience game was fun to mess around with, but taking it to a more interesting level was a huge headache.
Playing support or utility is usually fun for me in dota, unless it's consecutive 5 pos games against invis, but something about not being able to kill people effectively in a shooter just drains all the fun out of it for me. These days I'd rather just play CS where I can be a "support" based on the things that I do rather than the class I choose, and not be limited by it. If you can take yourself out of the FPS mindset and instead apply a MOBA or MMO style I'm sure it can be very fun, but I can't. Being almost completely helpless to a class based counterpick, ie support getting flanked by genji, tracer, reaper, mccree, just feels terrible.
TLDR: In my experience game was fun to mess around with, but taking it to a more interesting level was a huge headache.
Sigismundo
Member
I agree based on the five years or so I played TF2. While primarily a support character Medic could actually kill people with the syringe guns.
I think this is a valid concern, but I do think overwatch does some things to deal with this problem. Outside of Mercy, pretty much all the supports have some amount of killing power. Lucio's healing is totally passive and he can pretty much shoot the whole time. Symmetra can kill with her turrets or charge shot while still shielding people. Zenyatta is a very offensive support (orb of discord plus charged shot can kill a ton of heroes). I think that these things can still be tweaked to make the support role more consistently fun, but it seems off to a solid start.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
I'm not saying don't buy it, a month of enjoyment seems to be about average for most games. Just sharing my experience.
Yeah, supports can fire back, but they are comparatively so much weaker. Sure, Lucio can fire his gun but compare it to any of the offensive cast and the power difference is massive. I'm not arguing for it to be changed either, it needs to be this way otherwise you'd just have a team of 4 Lucio's running train killing everything and healing each other going insanely fast the entire game.
Sym can kill people as well, sure, but it has to be super close range and relies on whatever is in that range missing her. Her ttk on all (I'm pretty certain) of the offensive cast will be slower as long as they hit most of their shots unless you're in a turret farm. In that case they shouldn't be there anyway, whatever.
Zen is by far my favorite support thanks to his supreme offensive ability, I honestly enjoy his weapon the most in the game. But his healing has been nerfed into oblivion over time, and his mobility/hp just makes him a sitting duck against vigilant gankers. This weakness is mitigated by coordinated play, but good finding that out in the wild. Even with friends it takes a huge effort and is very difficult to protect him. Zen is an offensive debuffer more than anything, discord is a more powerful tool than his heal by far, transcendence is ok.
All these things come back to how the game works, if supports were just as able to kill as offensive characters, supports would just be picked all the time for their utility.
More than fair.
NormalFish
Banned
man I only played for about a week and got burned out for the same reasons. surprised you lasted as long as you did, frankly.
I think, honestly, the game will suffer for having so many characters. it's not easy to balance games like that, and there's so much potential for the game to end up being totally FOTM.
I think, honestly, the game will suffer for having so many characters. it's not easy to balance games like that, and there's so much potential for the game to end up being totally FOTM.
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Deleted member 77995
Unconfirmed Member
9k mmr. I wonder if valve is really gonna just let the numbers continue to climb indefinitely. At this point it seems like everything above 7k is super inflated. Who else is miracle supposed to play against other than those he has already beat?
Also 4 day weekend, suck it nerds
Also 4 day weekend, suck it nerds
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
I'm done wit this patch. Lost interest already.
Wok
Member
How changing the mmr scale would solve the problem, which is that Miracle- is super above every other player (very high skill on a very large hero pool and large array of roles)?
MMR should reset to 0 every 3 months
Top 100 players in each region get a special badge in their profile that stays till the next reset
Fixed
shira
Member
Don't forget the pro scene. When his OG contract is up there is going to be a bidding war for his services after TI6.
plz mr frog
NormalFish
Banned
MMR crunch works. MMR reset doesn't.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Hearthstone does resets
It's not good, I'll tell you that much.
It's not good, I'll tell you that much.
procarbine was destroyed by genji so he babyraged and uninstalled
jk
I abhor military shooters. Overwatch appeals to me a lot more than CS:GO does. It's the one modern shooter that I really enjoy. The matches are quick and I'm not really invested in winning or losing, so having imperfect/crappy team comps hardly bother me. I also have a lot of fun solo queueing. I used to play a lot of Unreal so many of my shooter tastes stem from that series.
I heavily dislike:
- massive recoil (and by proxy, bullets NOT going where your crosshair is)
- losing your momentum upon being shot**
- accuracy penalties while moving**
- lack of vertical and horizontal mobility**
- the "slow paced" nature of military shooters (more standing/camping/peeking)
- the general aesthetic of military shooters
**all fall under general movement (or lack-thereof)
Also, no offense to mumblegaf cuz I love you guys but y'all rage harder than secret hitler when playing CSGO and I want none of that.
TL;DR halo > csgo
jk
I abhor military shooters. Overwatch appeals to me a lot more than CS:GO does. It's the one modern shooter that I really enjoy. The matches are quick and I'm not really invested in winning or losing, so having imperfect/crappy team comps hardly bother me. I also have a lot of fun solo queueing. I used to play a lot of Unreal so many of my shooter tastes stem from that series.
I heavily dislike:
- massive recoil (and by proxy, bullets NOT going where your crosshair is)
- losing your momentum upon being shot**
- accuracy penalties while moving**
- lack of vertical and horizontal mobility**
- the "slow paced" nature of military shooters (more standing/camping/peeking)
- the general aesthetic of military shooters
**all fall under general movement (or lack-thereof)
Also, no offense to mumblegaf cuz I love you guys but y'all rage harder than secret hitler when playing CSGO and I want none of that.
TL;DR halo > csgo
On a universal scale, which would put miracle back with people with normies for a few games? Nah, don't want it.
On a personal level, so I can play with people who suck as much as I do after having not played for months? I want it so badly.
I think it would be great for anyone 3.5k and under (Which is what, 90% of the community?), and god awful for anyone 4.5k and up. I guess the question is, is what's "good" for the majority really good for them in the long run? Would pissing off a large amount of the high end players really good for the game's overall health?
For something like Hearthstone, I feel the monthly resets are horrible though. I wouldn't mind say every 3 months in that game, but every month makes it feel pointless to dedicate ladder climbing.
Make it optional, ez
And fuck hearthstone, tried playing it again with the new expansion pack thing being out and I've won 3 games out of 30.
That's... not how ELO works. In fact I don't know of any situation where you can just apply a rule to arbitrary selection from a data set, put it back in with the rest and expect it to be ok.
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