SenjutsuSage
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There's much more to god ki than just that, and I have a feeling it has something to do with whatever that red aura is that Jiren and Toppo tap into.
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There's much more to god ki than just that, and I have a feeling it has something to do with whatever that red aura is that Jiren and Toppo tap into.
Tien just stood there, Krillin is tactical.
Krillin was also having a one vs one with Goku who was trying to feel out his strength, Tien was in a 2v2 against Gohan and Piccolo who just wanted to go in as hard as possible.
Distresssss
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I'd rather Gohan gets the electric spark back when he definitively gets on SSB level. Visually, it'd be a nice call back to the Cell games since he was the first to do that.
(I have no idea what this is from)
I don't think Toriyama or the production team really cared. Point is Beerus can fuck up anyone's life.
Goku was actually the first to really show them. Trunks did when he powered up to Super Trunks for a brief moment but not nearly as much as Goku.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBb1t00S4HA
Piccolo wasn't even fighting. He spent the entire fight standing in one place charging up. Tien could had attacked him, but wasted time on Gohan and Goku had to tell Tien to focus on Piccolo.
The Silver
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no there isn't, not in practice. SSG had something unique with the regeneration but it's gone now.
Icyflamez96
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Like that really even meant anything. All that really meant is there would be less battle damage. Fuck that, lol.
The Silver
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I agree, beyond that the regeneration SSG showed isn't cool or flashy enough for a unique power, weak.
Diablohead
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So they only show gohan's bang when he is in ultimate form from the looks of it, because looking angry with white aura isn't enough i guess.
Undead Fantasy
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Maybe you should move on?
Other members loved my post and you are the only one complaining, I wonder why?
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Not like he had much of a choice since Gohan was protecting Piccolo from him. All that showed was that Gohan is a much better team player than Goku, which i guess was the point of the episode since Goku made him the leader.
It's funny that Gohan was able to protect Piccolo while fighting Goku, but Goku couldn't even be bothered to toss a single ki-blast at Piccolo during the same fight.
I still say it's a visual cue, although I know I will get five posts disagreeing with me. Mostly because Goku asked if Gohan was going to used Super Saiyan. If Ultimate was already a transforming, that's an odd question for Goku to ask.
He could have attacked while he was trying vainly to shoot Gohan. Goku had to yell at him to take out Piccolo. This is really stupid since Tien should have known he could't hit Gohan, especially with Goku within range. What it really shows that Tien is kind of stupid. Why did Goku have to tell him to take out Piccolo, giving Gohan a heads up of what Tien was going to do.
Piccolo wasn't a moving target and he had Tien who could do it. If Tien wasn't such an epic fail that is.
It's something he can activate, but it's not really a transformation if that makes sense. I think Goku didn't realize Gohan got that power back and thought his limit was still ssj2, hence his transformation to that state before Gohan made a move.
Goku can sense ki and felt him increase past where he was as a Super Saiyan 2. Yet, Goku didn't acknowledge Ultimate as a form. Remember, in the Buu Saga he said "he's not even a Super Saiyan, yet he's stronger than he was before".
That's kinda what I'm saying. Gohan can obviously turn it on and off, but it's not a transformation.
Ah. Gohan put it to use though. They must've thought it was a cool effect and decided to put it to a more definitive use later on(I know nothing about the manga).
I agree In all honesty, it would be Piccolo as the best choice for his experience, technique, and tactical thinking if Gohan didn't thoroughly out class him in raw power. That being said, Gohan has enough of those other things along with power to balance him out to be best choice. Goku is going to be a shitty leader in a team battle situation as he has no sense of lateral thinking beyond only himself in battle.
NeonZ
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He has the Dodonpa and the Kamehameha itself as far beams go. He also was the first out of the human warriors to use generic ki blasts. Still, like I mentioned before, I think King Ryo just doesn't care about Tenshinhan at all.
He can't both make Tenshinhan complain about the others taking this training too seriously and causing too much destruction while also resorting to the Kikoho the first time he needs to fire a beam. It shows the writer doesn't even really know what the Kikoho is.
Corronchilejano
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After Cell we know that the Shin Kikoho is Tiens most powerful attack, and he can do it a lot more than before. Why wouldn't he try using what is basically his nuke if he can control it without dying?
Goku and Vegeta aren't that great at teamwork so the choice comes down to Gohan or Piccolo. Out of the people who know the truth about this whole situation, Gohan is probably the one most serious about it. Add that to this episode's showing, it's easy to see why Goku was impressed and handed him the leader role.
Gohan is by far the larger threat of the two, it would make sense trying to take him out before Piccolo.
But he shouldn't be complaining about destroying the arena if he's using an attack that destroys arenas.
NeonZ
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It still takes skill to control and is a dangerous attack to both himself, his opponent and their surroundings. It's odd to make Tenshinhan use it the first time he attempts to throw a beam in the battle while also throwing lines like "Let's try to not injure them", "H-Hey, this is only a practice fight!", "You blew away the mountain fighting stage" and "Talk about a waste of senzu beans".
TheRealTalker
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She's gonna be like:
maybe after feeling nostalgic she can get back her old hair style as well
The Silver
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like Gohan literally being the bang is Videl's personality also in her hair?
TheRealTalker
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I imagine the plan will look something like this:
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Goku, Vegeta, and [SPOILER]Freeza[/SPOILER] will just do whatever since you can't count on them to work with anyone else.
17, 18, and Krillin deal with the mid- to high-end threats since they have a combination of power, teamwork, and tricky techniques.
Roshi, Tien, and Piccolo deal with the low- to mid-range threats since they have a lot of battle experience and tricky techniques.
Meanwhile Gohan floats around making sure no one gets too overwhelmed.I mean, whatever it is it won't be very complicated.
She did get all excited when he dressed up as Great Sayiaman.
Corronchilejano
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I honestly believe Tien didn't do shit because he wasn't exactly sure what he could do without hurting anyone. He hasn't even landed a punch on a Super Saiyan before, has he?
Thoughts on Episode 90
Yeah that's been a problem for the show since the Frieza arc. New techniques haven't really been developed and they were already strong enough to blow up planets in the Sayian Arc so its hard to really apprciate how much stronger SSB is than say SSJ other than the fact the shows straight up tells us so :/
Anyway, as an aside, here's some cool fanart:
- Great fights and great development for Gohan
- I'll agree with many others though that there was a lack of "oomph". The issue wasn't the animation, it was more the choreography. See:
- Spamming weak flurry punches and what not isn't the most engaging fighting to watch
- LOL why is Tien even here? Talk about a mega-scrub
Yeah that's been a problem for the show since the Frieza arc. New techniques haven't really been developed and they were already strong enough to blow up planets in the Sayian Arc so its hard to really apprciate how much stronger SSB is than say SSJ other than the fact the shows straight up tells us so :/
Anyway, as an aside, here's some cool fanart:
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This is true. But he still has the Dodon Ray if he's worried about hurting people, and there were 0 reasons to attack Gohan and ignore Piccolo charging an attack.
Raditz would be proud of Tien at least.
Icyflamez96
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swag
RareFantasy64
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I hope you are right but I'm fearing that isn't the case. AT spent the final two arcs of DBZ and the first canon movie after that showing Tien was trying harder than Krillin yet Krillin is the stronger character. AT said it and after these recruitment episodes, it's clearly true.
I'd love for Tien to have a big moment but I'm thinking it'll just be stuff like what we saw in the RoF arc where he had some decent shots of fighting off fodder enemies
Maybe he has improved on it and it's a bit different now
Great Saiyawoman.
Gohan is the largest threat, but he had no chance of hitting him and it's questionable if he can hurt him. So aimed for the guy who is standing still and charging up the super powerful attack.
I dont think he was worried about missing, i think he was worried about hitting Goku, the tribeam is a huge attack so accuracy usually wouldn't be a problem.
RareFantasy64
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If Gohan is the leader, why does Goku get to choose
Frieza as the new 10th member with all the disagreement from the other team members on the issue? Shouldn't it be Gohan who chooses the replacement fighter? Does this suggest Gohan approves of Goku's decision for whatever reason despite objections from the team?
The Silver
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Gohan is the general manager, Goku is the CEO making an executive decision
Beerus is chairman of the board
He couldn't ever see them and was at risk of hitting his teammate if he missed. So he should be worried. And people are fast enough to dodge it. Goku did it back at the 22nd Tournament. Cell didn't because Cell was an arrogant moron.
Corronchilejano
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Well, true. Honestly, he looked like an amateur. I don't think Tien is ready for what's coming, or at least he didn't look like it.
If I were to guess who's going to get a filler episode, it's going to be him.
NeonZ
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No one commented on his mistakes or acknowledged them at all though, which makes it look like this isn't part of any building up arc, unlike what happened with Kuririn or Gohan. I'd be happy to be wrong about this though.
Art and animation pales in comparison to DragonballZ. While I enjoy Super, theres no getting around that for me.
RareFantasy64
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Nice analogy
Either Gohan gives the idea to Goku and Goku convinces everyone else, or everyone else wants the decision to go to Gohan, and will only allow it if Gohan deems it necessary. Either way, I'm pretty sure this is going to be a decision that Gohan passes, not Goku, meaning any fallout will be on Gohan.
All the vibe im getting from him is no fun allowed =(
Animation, no question. No hope for that (though it's certainly nowhere near what it was at the start). I think the new artstyle is fantastic though, and it shows in this episode. Look at the starry sky in the background. Look at the closeup of Piccolo when Gohan and Goku are going for the final trade. A lot of the shots look really nice.
I think the poachers joke is stupid, 17 never suggested he was getting stronger fighting poachers, no one hinted that in the episode or interviews with Toriyama over the years, he's been out of the picture for a long time, in that time anything is possible.
I hope Toei makes this the Goku and Vegeta show again the way some people are treating this arc and other characters becoming relevant again. I hope they make GT canon.
I hope Toei makes this the Goku and Vegeta show again the way some people are treating this arc and other characters becoming relevant again. I hope they make GT canon.
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