Solid Sora
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I agree. It worked because of how subtle it was.
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Dragon Ball Super |OT8| There is no justice or evil, only survival or erasure.
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I agree. It worked because of how subtle it was.
Icyflamez96
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Yeah I thought this was enough. Could have used more. I expected Gohan to deal with this conflict before knocking him out, but I'm not upset with this.
I think it's better they didn't do it like that based on what Piccolo taught him in episode 88.
I do think they should have spent more time, but my counterargument is it should be obvious to Gohan and co. that these people have families, they have lives outside of this tournament, people they care for that are going to be erased, Gohan at least is the type of person who would be thinking that throughout the whole tournament, him having some type of hesitation would suggest that thought never occurred to him, which really messes with his character, and makes him really oblivious to the other fighters. Him seeing the locket after, and the look he gave implies he knew what he was doing, and he wishes he didn't have to be reminded of it because it makes it that much harder, but he has to move on.
It shouldn't be a huge shock to Gohan. Maybe to Goku or Vegeta who are pure saiyans who have that emotional disconnect at times, reflecting on the locket could work, I just don't think it's needed for Gohan who isn't like that.
All hail our lord and savior the hybrid saiyans.
It shouldn't be a huge shock to Gohan. Maybe to Goku or Vegeta who are pure saiyans who have that emotional disconnect at times, reflecting on the locket could work, I just don't think it's needed for Gohan who isn't like that.
Pure saiyans were a mistake.
All hail our lord and savior the hybrid saiyans.
And that person has 3 eyes.
Orochinagis
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Welp, they are fhgiting for the universe right to exist, yet you have goku having fun
They never said U7 was the second weakest.
KojiKnight
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It would have had much more impact if we even knew who this character was... Even before the tournament they were hid behind hoods.
Angel-chan left more of an impact on their disappearance than the locket did.
The mortal levels aren't power levels it was never stated they were the weakest just the 2nd worst universe
But yeah the other universes have been disappointing
Orochinagis
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Didnt the grand priest say it on the zen tournament?
Like a lot, only few figures of the teams are strong, I was expecting a well balanced group but even the pride troopers are gonna be carried by toppo and Jiren
He said they have the second lowest mortal ranking.
Quality of life pretty much, which has to do with more than power levels. They're a factor, but the biggest issue was that Shin and Beerus weren't doing their jobs to the best of their abilities, and arguably because of this, because their mortal level is so bad, it helped Goku rise to the top. If Beerus and Shin did their jobs better, Goku might have never got anywhere near as strong as he is. They let Frieza run havoc, they let Buu run wild, they fucked up.
Shin put it best, they only have 28 planets left. That's bad.
He only said mortal levels which I'm sure never been stated what it was but basically quality of the universes
Well 28 civilised planets if only there wasn't a genocidal conqueror allowed to let loose and a lazy GoD who destroyed based on the gifts given and food
Perhaps it's a necessary scene for Gohan with regards to what he'll achieve later. They've already established he's an important character this year.
Pretty much. Buu and Freeza did a number on U-7 and no one could be bothered to do anything about either of them until Goku came into existence. Hell, U-7 is lucky Gohan exists too because Cell could well have been the second coming of Buu if not beaten when he was.
Maybe it's clumsy foreshadowing to that supposed Evil Grand Priest fan theory that's been floating around?
In any case, it makes sense for Gohan to not need much reassurance about his decision given that he's risked his life multiple times to save everyone and everything he cares about. He knows it's a dire "us vs them" situation that the other fighters won't see his reason to not fight one another as that fighter from Universe 4 demonstrated several episodes back. The problem with that moment stems from how the viewer is given very little information about them or their universe aside from him being The Honorable Warrior Archetype™, so the moment feels hollow in terms of generating empathy for the erasure of Universe 10.
I think part of the point here is to draw a very clear contrast between Gohan and the rest of the team, especially Goku. Most of that team is running around fighting guys and having fun, Goku and 17 were actively screwing around this episode and last, meanwhile this episode shows Gohan's not only taking this seriously but is actively aware of the consequences of what he's doing.
I think it's basically setting up how the tournament ends and what the wish on the Super Dragon Balls will look like.
Orochinagis
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and the lack of communication between beerus and the kaios hurts a lot
SSG is only god's energy
SSB is god's energy + Ki
SSB KK is god's energy + tons of Ki
I think Goku can transform into SSG since he got Blue, but he never uses it because it doesn't have the same strength as SSB, and maybe SSG is faster than SSB and because it doesn't consume Ki it can be used as somewhat of a replacement of SSBKK and not running out of Ki.
I mean, that theory was mostly pretty silly but if we're assuming the Grand Priest is the one doing the erasing of Universes then he has committed genocide on an unprecedented scale twice now. Pretty hard to not consider that evil.
At the very least this episode worked as a good reminder of how evil the entire concept of the tournament is and is could be setting up Gohan being the one to wish the other universes back given he is the one person in U7 that seems to give a shit about how they're contributing to the erasing of entire Universes.
I don't think the fan theories of "everyone is going to fight the Grand Priest at the end" are likely, but I do think it's likely that after another arc or two we get another tournament where a team of the best fighters from this tournament face off against the "better" Universes.
Parallax Scroll
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I couldn't find a gif of this Vegito scene from a while back so I made one. I don't know how to embed gifv here so here's a link to it.
https://imgur.com/a/76ySS
https://imgur.com/a/76ySS
NeonZ
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I really think an arc where the angels and Grand Priest fight is coming as a direct sequel to this tournament.
In addition to the foreshadowing regarding a mortal stronger than GoDs and thepromotional artwork with the tease about Goku himself mastering the power of the gods/putting an end to the work of the gods, there's also the oddity of the Heroes tie in for this arc. They rushed to add all GoDs at once, but haven't even bothered with the new Angels so far. If they know the angels are actually going to be fighting next arc, it would make a lot of sense to wait for that before adding them.
In addition to the foreshadowing regarding a mortal stronger than GoDs and thepromotional artwork with the tease about Goku himself mastering the power of the gods/putting an end to the work of the gods, there's also the oddity of the Heroes tie in for this arc. They rushed to add all GoDs at once, but haven't even bothered with the new Angels so far. If they know the angels are actually going to be fighting next arc, it would make a lot of sense to wait for that before adding them.
Sgt.Pepper
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RIP Gowasu.
Icyflamez96
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I was always of the mind that if the angels started fighting it would be for arcs later. At least I feel like that's what would be most natural and a reasonable progression of power escalation, as opposed to literally next arc.
Remove the 'v' and you can embed it as a regular gif.
Remove the 'v' and you can embed it as a regular gif.
Parallax Scroll
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I don't normally complain about art with this show, but this episode looked especially off to me. I'm not that bothered by these things normally but I definitely felt distracted. Gohan looks like such a goober in Super, he looked so much better in the Buu saga.
Anyways, I liked that guy Gohan was fighting. Unlike Jiren, at least he had a personality, and I felt bad for him too. Honestly, he's the only character I've actually felt something for, they haven't done a good job with the rest. Obviously I know it's hard to keep up with so many characters, but too many just feel like nameless jobbers outside of 6 and 7. It's also funny how 17 went from a whatever character, long forgotten in the past to what he is now. This arc has done a great job with him, it's too bad 17 can't share this kind of development with the rest of these people. Also, where the fuck has Frieza gone lol.
I'm starting to feel like this tournament is going to erupt into an angel war at some point based on the differences in expression between the erased universes angels.
Anyways, I liked that guy Gohan was fighting. Unlike Jiren, at least he had a personality, and I felt bad for him too. Honestly, he's the only character I've actually felt something for, they haven't done a good job with the rest. Obviously I know it's hard to keep up with so many characters, but too many just feel like nameless jobbers outside of 6 and 7. It's also funny how 17 went from a whatever character, long forgotten in the past to what he is now. This arc has done a great job with him, it's too bad 17 can't share this kind of development with the rest of these people. Also, where the fuck has Frieza gone lol.
I'm starting to feel like this tournament is going to erupt into an angel war at some point based on the differences in expression between the erased universes angels.
Icyflamez96
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Oh snap I didnt realize how long it was because it froze on me early in.
Also I think changing it to gif makes it a smaller file size to some extent. Still is really big though lol
Edit: wait gifv is smaller? Welp
Also I think changing it to gif makes it a smaller file size to some extent. Still is really big though lol
Edit: wait gifv is smaller? Welp
flaxknuckles
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That's the same thing I wanted to know when Vegeta jumped into the Trio de Danger's rainbow attack.
Piku_Ringo
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Parallax Scroll
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Yeah idk what I'm doing so there were several seconds of the dude lying there at the start and I couldn't figure out how to shave those frames off.
In fairness we don't know why they didn't have an Earth. Could be their Earth elected Trump as it's leader and were doomed from there.
Lmao, my bad, man. Auto correct really sucks sometimes.
Orochinagis
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There was a war that destroyed earth I think, I remember Vlados say the planet no longer exist
So Trump then. Makes sense.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Off topic but shared it with one piece gaf figure I share it with db gaf my son first party made the cake and marshmallow pops and so forth majin buu would enjoy
ArchedThunder
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The planet still existed, it was just a barren wasteland because the humans killed themselves in "a stupid war".
So yeah, probably Trump.
Off topic but shared it with one piece gaf figure I share it with db gaf my son first party made the cake and marshmallow pops and so forth majin buu would enjoy
Congrats!
I think this picture gave me diabetes
Icyflamez96
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Off topic but shared it with one piece gaf figure I share it with db gaf my son first party made the cake and marshmallow pops and so forth majin buu would enjoy
Nice
Majin Buu would indeed enjoy.
Lol it really does.
Hellwarden
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So what are the chances the Universe 6 Namekians are huge dicks because the U6 Saiyans are relatively nice and well adjusted?
Claude Augario
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The But Saga sounds pretty accurate.
"Vegeta sacrifices himself, BUT..."
"Gohan gets a new power up, BUT..."
"Goku and Vegeta fuse, BUT..."
Icyflamez96
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Idk considering Frost is evil too, it could go either way.
Funny that humans suck in that universe in comparison to U7 humans. (Judging this based off how they killed themselves via war)
Funny that humans suck in that universe in comparison to U7 humans. (Judging this based off how they killed themselves via war)
That's a good bet. Hopefully we find out soon.
The God ritual for Namekians is consuming 2 other Namekians, not to be mistaken for absorbing 2 other Namekians.
Would be cool, but I'll tell you this, if Piccolo doesn't get a power up from this somehow, I will fucking riot.
It probably would depend on how their species was allowed to evolve. If their Namek didn't have to weather a near-extinction event that wiped out most of their planet's population, maybe having larger numbers would mean having a Warrior race that was allowed to train more, at the very least.
Maybe it's time for that red eyes power up that DBO had to be introduced properly...
Orochinagis
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Didnt current humans were into a dictatorship before Satan ?
I mean the RR or Pilaf would probably overtake earth
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