ManDudeChild
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That would mean that despite the time passed since the exhibition match, Vegeta isn't even on par with SSB Goku without Kaioken.
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Dragon Ball Super |OT9| Genki-Drama
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That would mean that despite the time passed since the exhibition match, Vegeta isn't even on par with SSB Goku without Kaioken.
Toppo tanked Goku's attack so... Unless Vegeta has something that'll put him on Kaioken levels he might be in trouble.
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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Toppo will be crushed by 17 and 18 i think. Something will happen to make Toppo and Vegeta stop fighting.
Unless 17/18 are MASSIVELY underselling their power, no way they can stand up to Toppo. Remember Toppo, as Kagari pointed out, took Goku's FULL power (point blank blast to the face) and wasn't put down, although he was hurt by it.
https://youtu.be/ErLZBszCgDs?t=93
So unless the androids are stronger than that, no way they take Toppo.
https://youtu.be/ErLZBszCgDs?t=93
So unless the androids are stronger than that, no way they take Toppo.
Copper
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LordOfChaos
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Tbh it's one of the things bugging the community that bugs me least.
A light cardio day can help your recovery between workout days, vs doing nothing.
If someone is universe punching, fighting these two is probably more or less like that scaled equivalent.
Beserk Kale tossed SB Goku around like he was nothing, and was probably gonna wreck him though if not for Jiren showing up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPewO5Mz5pY
hikarutilmitt
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This guy's voice is driving me nuts. It's like he doesn't punctuate his sentences and sounds stoned all the time.
uuuugh then he called it the HTC.
BabyFaceKillah
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So vegito blue wasn't toriyamas idea
Does that make him the ssj4 gogeta of dbs
Does that make him the ssj4 gogeta of dbs
I don't really see that at all.
flintstryker
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Those are some of the flimsiest hints ever
Astral Dog
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they were erased by Zen Chan off screen becaus they werent doing anything
Sigh.
flintstryker
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Btw one thing I notice is people continue saying it should have been X not Tien in the tournament but instead of saying that shouldn't we be complaining about what a shit job they did in writing Tien instead? Tien had a lot of interesting techniques and is a legit martial artist it's not his fault Toei is shit at writing.
Toei's problem is they think he's the kikouhou guy and that's it. But then again they have inefficient writing for a lot of characters...
flintstryker
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And that's a damn shame, Tien deserves way better than how he's being treated in the series, I mean they were able to do a pretty decent job with Roshi so I can just imagine there being a dislike for the character in the writing room for them to fuck him up so badly.
Reizo Ryuu
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stamina and ki aren't really the same thing though.
Like you can push your muscles to a point where they need time to recover, but still physically have a ton of energy to burn.
Heck birds fly long distances in formation because it allows the leading bird (that takes the brunt of wind resistance) to fall back and recover stamina while another takes over; they clearly don't stop flying to rest, they rest while flying, just less intense.
Like you can push your muscles to a point where they need time to recover, but still physically have a ton of energy to burn.
Heck birds fly long distances in formation because it allows the leading bird (that takes the brunt of wind resistance) to fall back and recover stamina while another takes over; they clearly don't stop flying to rest, they rest while flying, just less intense.
kunonabi
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I'm starting to wonder whether or not I wish Toriyama was more hands on with Super.
NeonZ
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In this current arc, they seem to have issues adding any new relationships and dynamics to established characters, aside from Goku himself and maybe Freeza. So, Roshi could get moments with Kuririn and Goku, Vegeta with Goku and Cabba, 17 and 18 with each other, and Piccolo and Gohan with each other, but they're all basically stuck in those groups. Tenshinhan doesn't really have strong bonds with any other cast member, so he was the "As expected from Roshi!" guy in every appearance before his elimination.
That said, in addition to that general flaw, it's clear the staff just didn't care about Tenshinhan. Majin Buu got more on screen fighting time in this arc than Tenshinhan in spite of not being an official team member. Even now he's often the bench character left completely mute. Even Kaioshin gets speaking roles more consistently than him.
LordOfChaos
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Goku coming out grinning and without a scratch, itching for a fight with Jiren after, made you think she would have wrecked him?
I know it sounds like plot hand waving, but clearly Goku is logged into his smurfing account for most of these fights. And SSB doesn't mean full power, I think each transformation is like the power curve on big and little cores...You know, to reverse the explaining tech things with DB. At the peak of each curve it makes sense to jump to the next one, but you can use less power in each.
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ajim
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I still feel Frieza has the most interesting role to play in this tournament.
I know he's playing 2 steps ahead and I know he's trying to manipulate the gods and goku which is super interesting. I just wonder how far he will go and what will happen if he is knocked out, and who would do it.
Frieza has had some amazing character development from where he was in dbz til now. No longer the angry tyrant. He's cool, calm, strategical and being really inventive in his approach.
I look forward to every new episode just for snippets of him and what he may be scheming.
I know he's playing 2 steps ahead and I know he's trying to manipulate the gods and goku which is super interesting. I just wonder how far he will go and what will happen if he is knocked out, and who would do it.
Frieza has had some amazing character development from where he was in dbz til now. No longer the angry tyrant. He's cool, calm, strategical and being really inventive in his approach.
I look forward to every new episode just for snippets of him and what he may be scheming.
Full interview with Toriyama and Toyotarou: https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/925532649925459969
ZeroTheShadow
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So Merged Zamas was in the original draft but not Vegito. Interesting. So in the original plot Goku, Trunks, and Vegeta tried to stall for time till the fusion wore off but that ended up not working and they called in Zeno. Immortality was the bigger problem not strength but they changed it to up the stakes.
It's also interesting that Toriyama was going for a parallel with Trunks and Zamas which I picked up on. Given things in DB are usually off cuff it is great to see Toriyama putting a good amount of thought into his characters and how they are related to each other.
It's also interesting that Toriyama was going for a parallel with Trunks and Zamas which I picked up on. Given things in DB are usually off cuff it is great to see Toriyama putting a good amount of thought into his characters and how they are related to each other.
I don't think its character development but rather just exposure in a non leading antagonist role. Frieza has always been shown to be a cunning and sadistic dude, its juts now that he has an opportunity to showcase that. Before he just overpowered everyone.
Anyways, I agree. He's probably my 3rd favorite thing to look forward to each week, behind Gohan and Jiren.
Yeah, if we're being generous, 17=SSB. Toppo=SSB+ since Goku felt the need for kaiakon. 18=Cell level maybe. Vegeta=SSB but stronger than 17.
Toppo>Vegeta>17>>>>18.
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Amey
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Vegeta better get Ultra Instinct during this saga. I'm sure there were hints at it right back at the start of Super. Goku and Vegeta both dodged attacks from Beerus that would have instantly killed them based on some kind of odd instinct. Personally, I think that this is Ultra Instinct or at least the potential for it.
Vegeta has just had a new baby, he's got a lot of emotions going on right now and he's not going down like a punk to Toppo. Perhaps he needs to be driven to the point of death like Goku to unlock it.
Vegeta has just had a new baby, he's got a lot of emotions going on right now and he's not going down like a punk to Toppo. Perhaps he needs to be driven to the point of death like Goku to unlock it.
I really doubt he's going to get anything like that so quickly.
Astral Dog
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so Zamasu was good at heart like Shin huh, interesting and here i thought he was just a rotten apple
Shouta
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I'd love to see 17 and 18 step up and eliminate someone like Toppo. It's pretty unlikely though as the writers would have to pull a power upgrade from their ass that wouldn't make sense, lol.
There is one idea that I think might work if written properly though, if they were created to work in tandem and they power each other up as they fight. They'd be able to reach stronger power levels than they are currently while not just powering one person up with some weirdness. It'd work well while still having a weakness but one that'd be kind of hard to exploit since they're family, lol.
Not happening, of course!
There is one idea that I think might work if written properly though, if they were created to work in tandem and they power each other up as they fight. They'd be able to reach stronger power levels than they are currently while not just powering one person up with some weirdness. It'd work well while still having a weakness but one that'd be kind of hard to exploit since they're family, lol.
Not happening, of course!
Copper
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Not really a fan of the video but really you don't think it's odd the way Vegeta has been acting?
The first time he broke out of the time chamber he was all sweaty and exhausted. When he did it just recently he broke out of it easily and was not even phased. Same for when he got out of the Mafuba.
He's been acting very calm and confident. Completely unlike him normally. I'd say he probably had something like SSB2 or UI ( just doesn't know what it is yet) up his sleeve. Other wise he would not even be considering fighting Jiren.
hikarutilmitt
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Or it could be that having his family and being around this time has made him chill some? I mean he came to terms with Goku outclassing him almost always and Goku doing things like UI is pretty much the norm, so why freak out over it? Him reacting differently instead of the same tired, angry Vegeta we've always seen shouldn't be seen as a reason for something big being there, it should be seen as a character growth.
Icyflamez96
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I do expect Vegeta to have something up his sleeve but I'm sure it's some delusion too. Hopefully Toppo pushes it out of him.
The Silver
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I don't expect Geets to have anything, I'd be shocked if they gave him something that isn't a Goku hand me down. (Not counting a different colored beam)
BabyFaceKillah
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Friendly reminder: Gohan is the leader of U7 and is barely getting any screen time.
NeonZ
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He actually has appeared fairly often (half of the Tenshinhan elimination episode was actually Gohan focused, and then there was the Freeza/Frost episode, alongside the minor scenes against the two Nameks in the previous two episodes). It's much less than Goku but more than everyone else. The issue is that a lot of his screen time in the tournament hasn't really painted him in a good light (unlike his screentime in the build up to the tournament) or he was just "there".
Starting from the beginning of the arc he's only been off-screen entirely in 86, 87, 89, 98, 104, 105, 107, 113... not counting recaps or next episode previews.
Boombloxer
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Whis mentioned that the main reason why Goku passes him is because the chip of his shoulder doesn't allow him to relax more. And Goku's weakness is his overconfidence. Both acknowledged it.
It'd be nice for them to realize this and work together to beat Jiren.
BabyFaceKillah
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And Goku recovering would've been the perfect opportunity for them to give him and the rest of the team more meaningful screentime
That would have made sense and been great but we're not allowed to have that apparently.
BabyFaceKillah
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So how long do you guys think they are gonna drag out the god lvl fusion of the U6 saiyans?
EarlyEarly
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Yea I figured we were about to hit the "Everyone dies while Goku recovers" part of the arc but we can't even get that.
BabyFaceKillah
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Life sure is crazy
NeonZ
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That shows pretty clearly what Toriyama meant by Toyotaro's art needing to be rougher looking.