So none since that was filler.
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Dragonball Z Revival OT Super | Super Saiyan God Super Thread
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formasymphonic
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I tried to legitimately read your op... but I died at Golden Amiibo Frieza
Omnistalgic
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Wow, some of you guys really like gt I see, never seen so much debating over wording before lol. Why can't it be that gt wasn't universally accepted and a lot of fans tend to ignore it. Its still ok to like it, canon or not. I personally don't pay attention to it since the original creator didn't write it and is now continuing the show with little to no references so far. Dunno don't really care, just amazed dbz is really back.
The issue with canon in DBZ is that there a bunch of different continuities, I think.
Basically, you've got:
-Manga Continuity:
-Anime Continuity:
-Non-Serial Movies:
-New Anime Continuity:
There are some weird quirks with even this, though. The Garlic Jr. Saga means that DBZ Movie 1 has to be canon to the anime continuity, and with Cooler's single second appearance in GT that means that DBZ Movie 5 has to be canon as well.
Some of the movies also share continuities with each other. Aside from the obvious answer of the Broly Trilogy being a self contained continuity, dozens of characters make a cameo appearence in Fusion Reborn when Gohan fights Freeza, including Garlic Jr.'s men, Dr. Wheelo's men, Turles's men, Lord Slug's men, Bojack's men (and Bojack) as well as Paragus, meaning that DBZ movies 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, and 9 all occur in the same continuity as 12. With the appearance of Cooler and Turles as well as the mention of Broly in the Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, that means that that OVA shares a continuity with movies 4, 5 and 8.
Or maybe it doesn't matter because Toriyama doesn't care about continuity and just wants to write what he wants to write.
Basically, you've got:
-Manga Continuity:
Dragon Ball Vol 1-42
Neko Majin Z
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
-Anime Continuity:
Dragon Ball Episodes 1-153
Dragon Ball Z Episodes 1 - 291
Dragon Ball GT Episodes 1 - 64
Dragon Ball GT: A Hero's Legacy
-Non-Serial Movies:
Each individual film and OVA seemingly has its own continuity, with few exceptions.
-New Anime Continuity:
Dragon Ball Episodes 1-153
Dragon Ball Z Episodes 1 - 287
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods
Dragon Ball Z: Revival of F
Dragon Ball Z Super
Dragon Ball Z Episodes 288 - 291
There are some weird quirks with even this, though. The Garlic Jr. Saga means that DBZ Movie 1 has to be canon to the anime continuity, and with Cooler's single second appearance in GT that means that DBZ Movie 5 has to be canon as well.
Some of the movies also share continuities with each other. Aside from the obvious answer of the Broly Trilogy being a self contained continuity, dozens of characters make a cameo appearence in Fusion Reborn when Gohan fights Freeza, including Garlic Jr.'s men, Dr. Wheelo's men, Turles's men, Lord Slug's men, Bojack's men (and Bojack) as well as Paragus, meaning that DBZ movies 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, and 9 all occur in the same continuity as 12. With the appearance of Cooler and Turles as well as the mention of Broly in the Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, that means that that OVA shares a continuity with movies 4, 5 and 8.
Or maybe it doesn't matter because Toriyama doesn't care about continuity and just wants to write what he wants to write.
BoG and FnF are in the manga continuity, Toriyama wrote both of them as a continuation of the manga (his own words). We'll see where Super ends up once we get more information.
StalkerUKCG
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This is the main timeline of the Animated series and linked events.
The discussions about "canon" don't really mean much since there is so many official canon.
Personally I care little for the Manga, and regard GT as a alternate universe and the core timeline and BoG/RoF as the actual events.
I can head canon with continuity problems the older movies into it too.
The discussions about "canon" don't really mean much since there is so many official canon.
Personally I care little for the Manga, and regard GT as a alternate universe and the core timeline and BoG/RoF as the actual events.
I can head canon with continuity problems the older movies into it too.
ArchedThunder
Banned
No it isn't.
Toriyama didn't do GT, ergo it isn't canon to the manga. When people speak about Dragon Ball canon they are speaking about the manga's universe. Just because something is an official work doesn't mean it is canon.
Official=/=canon.
And this is just completely untrue, many franchises, such as Marvel and Star Wars, release merchandise based on noncanon material.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
If they keep them around as kids, I also wonder if they'll keep that creepy Trunks/Mai thing going.
m_shortpants
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If they keep them around as kids, I also wonder if they'll keep that creepy Trunks/Mai thing going.
Yeah it's kind of cute but kind of creepy too since she's technically a lot older than him?
It's weird.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
All true but I feel you are being a bit too pedantic about the issue. I have no horse in this race because like I said above I don't care frankly. I enjoyed all of the dragonball animated material from DB episode 1 to BoZ and everything in between including DBGT.
Canon is best simplified as the established timeline of characters that does not contradict itself so as to create a coherent narrative. Even including the majority of filler episodes that can be said for DBZ.
You can start playing really fast and loose and saying things like GT are canon because they take place in an alternate timeline but that is mainly just fanon since Xenoverse isn't regarded as an official story it's presented timeline stuff isn't either.
Manga canon is inconsequential to many because the only relation to the anime it has is that is the source material. The anime is a separate beast.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Mai should be around Bulma's age, if not older.
Patapwn
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This is the main timeline of the Animated series and linked events.
Why did they decide to graph this horizontally instead of vertically? ssfailss
Don't quote me on this, but as far as I know, Mai was 12 years old during the original Dragon Ball, so she would be younger than Bulma by 4 years.
If they keep them around as kids, I also wonder if they'll keep that creepy Trunks/Mai thing going.
Totally forgot about that lol
Future PhaZe
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are their subs of these two new films or are we waiting on dubs?
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I also hope the new series will do more soundtrack reinterpretations from the original series. My favorite track from Battle of Gods was that orchestral version of Head Cha La. I want a proper extended version. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWzwOKNFrK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWzwOKNFrK4
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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the hype is real, goddamn
great thread op
great thread op
BoG dub is already out, Resurrection F's will be released in theaters this summer.
Everything you're saying here about canon is completely false. First, let's look at the definition of what "canon" means: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=define:+canon
More importantly, let's focus on what "canon" is even used in the context we're speaking of:
Dragonball GT is an official series by an animation studio that in-part owns and consistently creates new content for the Dragonball franchise. Therefor, it's canon. it ISN'T in continuity with the manga, but as far as we're concerned it's canon unless stated otherwise.
Again this isn't true either. When Star Wars EU was in it's heyday, everything was considered canon, just different levels of canon. It wasn't until recently when Disney dubbed everything to be non-canon and under the Star Wars Legends label.
Marvel separates everything in alternate universes. Pretty much nothing there is non-canon whatsoever, even stuff from other companies is part of the Marvel canon.
Unlike either of these respective canons, there has yet to be an established Dragonball canon or some source to suggest there is one. So the only thing we can assume is "canon" is what is officially recognized by TOEI and anyone else involved with Dragonball, which includes Dragonball GT and the movies.
Welfare
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In Japan Saiyan is Saiya-jin. SSJ
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Neko Majin Z is not canon to the manga. It's a parody and has obvious differences like SSJ Vegeta somehow working for Freeza in the Uub era.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Canon in fiction is an interchangeable word with continuity. To say that GT isn't in the same continuity as the manga is to say that it isn't canon to the manga, which it isn't. It's its own world, canon to its self, but not canon to the manga or the new movies.
Now can we end this stupid argument?
Seven Force
Banned
I'm aware of that. I was poking fun at the canon arguments.
Kyleripman
Member
Your avatar (and editing all those other avatars in the other thread) got me thinking about how Mickey's ears and Goku's hair are both things that can be seen in the same iconic shape even when the character is facing different directions.
Just kinda neat.
Welfare
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Your avatar (and editing all those other avatars in the other thread) got me thinking about how Mickey's ears and Goku's hair are both things that can be seen in the same iconic shape even when the character is facing different directions.
Just kinda neat.
:O
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
My friend drew some neat pixel art to celebrate the new series. Never knew he had that talent.
I really, really hope that the series begins after the tournament at the end of Z. Uub, older Goten, and older Trunks would make for really dynamic additions to the cast.
I really, really hope that the series begins after the tournament at the end of Z. Uub, older Goten, and older Trunks would make for really dynamic additions to the cast.
Kyleripman
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Those are really nice, love the SSJ4 in particular.
KidA Seven
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Stands for Jin. Jin is used to say a person from this country/area.
Saiya-jin
Ex: Amerika-jin = American in japanese
Spain-jin = Spanish
Mexico-jin = Mexican
There is no reason for DB fans to use jin when you're using english. Everyone knows SS stands for Super Saiyan.
Nintendoga
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Man there sure is a lot of talk about being canon or not. All this alternate continuities and stuff is getting weird.
I just always kept it simple.
Canon
Manga
Jaco the Patrolman
Revival movies (2008 special, BoG, RoF)
(DB Super?)
Might be Canon
DB Online (Toriyama did have a lot of influence in this but not really sure)
Everything else like Broly and Cooler and GT I just figured weren't canon because they had little to no influence from the creator. Creating anime, movie, and video game continuities just to connect everything seems silly imo.
I just always kept it simple.
Canon
Manga
Jaco the Patrolman
Revival movies (2008 special, BoG, RoF)
(DB Super?)
Might be Canon
DB Online (Toriyama did have a lot of influence in this but not really sure)
Everything else like Broly and Cooler and GT I just figured weren't canon because they had little to no influence from the creator. Creating anime, movie, and video game continuities just to connect everything seems silly imo.
bigDdestruction
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Welfare
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Flame colors. Red Yellow Blue.
SuperSonic1305
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There is no way in hell Mai was 12 in DB
Mai says she's 41 years old on Battle of the Gods.
That makes her 12 at the original Dragon Ball.
KidA Seven
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She looks older than Bulma in Dragon Ball.
NeonZ
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Toei doesn't own Dragonball though. People sometimes seem to forget that manga aren't like DC/Marvel comics as far as rights go. They generally stick with their own creators.
The material Toei creates is officially licensed, of course, just like any games or merchandising, but unless it's acknowledged by Toriyama, like Son Goku Returns and Friends, it doesn't fit into "the works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine".
The new anime continuity, at least so far, is intended to be the same as the original manga continuity, like shown by Toriyama using elements from the movies in the new manga or his question & answer sessions about the original manga. Noticeably, in Battle of Gods, Gregory was nowhere to be seen, unlike in pretty much every other animated appearances of Bubbles (including even Son Goku and Friends). Watanabe, the movie's script writer, also mentioned on twitter that the movie was meant to be part of the "original story", and referenced its continuity placement using manga chapters, rather than anime episodes. They went out of their way to remove an anime specific element that had sticked (even if only as a mute cameo) in Son Goku and Friends.
So:
-Manga Continuity:
Dragon Ball Vol 1-42
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return
Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods
Dragon Ball Z: Revival of F
Anyway, I'd also wait before stating where "Super" is supposed to go, since the statements regarding it have been fairly open and contradictory so far.
I kinda liked BoG, haven't watched RoF yet, hopefully it's hit cinemas soon.
Curious about DBS to be honest.
We'll surely get Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God after that.
Except Gohan.
Because reasons.
Curious about DBS to be honest.
Of course we can!
We'll surely get Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God after that.
They'll all get it.
Except Gohan.
Because reasons.
J-Roderton
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ArchedThunder
Banned
And Bulma says she's 38.
When they realize that they need a sixth Saiyan for the God ritual, Bulma says Vegeta has a brother and Vegeta says he doesn't even know how he would contact him.
And stuff like this is why I don't give a fuck about Dragon Ball's "Toriyama canon". The guy doesn't even remember stuff about their own series.
KidA Seven
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The important rule is fuck most of the movies and GT.
Not for me! I love them! =D
X
Xpike
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No, the series is owned by Akira Toriyama and the content he has put out since GT ended directly contradicts it. So GT is not canon to the main, or manga, storyline.
Winterfang
Banned
Watching Age of Ultron, First thing of Screen Dragon Ball movie trailer. Dragon Ball looks amazing on the big screen.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Or she was lying about her age.
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