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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You guys think this crosses a billion world wide?
MrTroubleMaker
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I doubt it, probably 500mil
March Climber
Gold Member
One is from Game of Thrones and the other House of the Dragon(the prequel), they will be fine.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
No. International numbers for this film are absolutly terrible, despite domestic being quite strong.
Madflavor
Member
Domestic number are great and legs look good too. Overseas numbers are terrible. Will probably land somewhere in the $550 - $625m range, which is good enough.
VulcanRaven
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Corenswet really gets Superman. 9:49:
Werewolf Jones
Member
First 20-30 minutes I didn't like it but by the end of it I did come round on it.
'Bout the time Rachel Brosnahan came 'round in that tight top.....I was 100% team superman
Hardensoul
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Hardensoul
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No, but it seems to be getting good sells Monday and Tuesday. Maybe good hold and can leg out to at least 700m.
I really want this to be successful! I really enjoyed it! Guy Gardner and Nr Terrific were great!
Hardensoul
Member
Good news if 50% drop holds true. Expanding locations will help too!
Fake
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Doom85
Member
Expanding would indicate it is doing good if more theaters want to make a deal to get it on their screens.
Madflavor
Member
Expanding theater count is generally done because of good legs.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Lunarorbit
Banned
Loved it. Thought he did a great job as a younger vulnerable superman. I read that some critics thought there were too many superheroes in it?
What? I kept expecting an army of heroes to pop up. What a fucking stupid criticism.
Supergirl only bukkakes on red suns too. I haven't finished the comic that that movie is based on but I'll finish it this weekend.
What? I kept expecting an army of heroes to pop up. What a fucking stupid criticism.
Supergirl only bukkakes on red suns too. I haven't finished the comic that that movie is based on but I'll finish it this weekend.
SkylineRKR
Member
This movie is doing so good because its being made fun again and I think the runtime at just 2 hours is excellent. This is what superhero slop started to forget, being bloated, over long and filled with diversity.
Its what I feared but ultimately wasn't all that bad. Lantern and his friends don't have too many scenes. Superman is clearly the main focus.
Its what I feared but ultimately wasn't all that bad. Lantern and his friends don't have too many scenes. Superman is clearly the main focus.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Superman is a pretty diverse movie. So I'm not sure what you mean by that.
And yes, Superman is the focus... Not sure how anyone thought otherwise. James Gunn doesn't miss.
Watched the movie last night.
It was ok.
Superman is likeable and Krypto is cute but the rest of the film is kind of a mess.
But it wasn't very good either.
Will I care enough to watch a 2nd Superman movie by James Gunn on the theater? Who knows.
I just know that this movie made me want to watch Man of Steel again, I really liked that film.
All in all, 6/10.
It was ok.
Superman is likeable and Krypto is cute but the rest of the film is kind of a mess.
- The film lacks focus, there are too many characters and plotines;
- There is almost no context for anything / no proper introduction for anyone;
- There are too many 'suspension of disbelief' moments mainly because the human characters act completely nonchalant in life threatening / world ending situations;
- Aside from the scene where *spoiler*Lex murders Malik, the falafel vendor*spoiler* there is no urgency, no stakes. You know nothing bad is gonna happen to the world or these characters, you never really fear for anyone.
- Lex was too overpowered and whiny / emotional; Lois was preachy and annoying; Eve was completely retarded (and so was Jimmy albeit less than her) and unfunny.
But it wasn't very good either.
Will I care enough to watch a 2nd Superman movie by James Gunn on the theater? Who knows.
I just know that this movie made me want to watch Man of Steel again, I really liked that film.
All in all, 6/10.
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
As a fan of both Superfriends and Justice League Unlimited, their inclusion didnt bother me lol in fact it was welcome!
Doom85
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Not to mention I highly doubt Guy Gardener will be a main member of the main Justice League over some of the other Green Lanterns of Earth, and even Mr. Terrific and Hawkgirl are just maybes. They're partially there to showcase this is a world that has established meta humans. As well as show how different their approach to fighting bad guys is compared to Superman.
This is what RZero's post a bit above your post fails to understand. The civilians show less terror than they would normally as they've existed in a world with meta humans and such for THREE HUNDRED years as established by the opening text of the film. Sure, they'll flee if they're in immediate danger, but simply seeing a kaiju doesn't automatically freak them out at this point. It's just a common occurrence at this point.
The film does not suffer from a lack of focus. Everything in the film: the Justice Gang, Ultraman, the Engineer, the Daily Planet team, the conflict between Boravia and Jarhanpur, these all connect to the central conflict of Superman vs. Lex Luthor. The Justice Gang aren't just off having their own unrelated subplot, the two countries' battle with one another isn't some unrelated problem Superman has to deal with, all serve the central focus of Superman vs. Lex Luthor.
If these "many" Youtubers failed to pick up on that as Fake claims, it just highlights how a person simply having their own YouTube channel doesn't prove they're great at film analysis.
Fake
Member
I was pointing the lack of focus, if did bother or not vary between the viewers.
I got bother when they did in Batman vs Supeman, so is no different here.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Lack of focus, how?
Zephyranthes
Member
Fun movie, enjoyed it quite a bit. Nicholas Hoult's Lex is incredible: I couldn't believe how much character mileage they managed to get out of having him just be a guy who really, really, really, really, really hates Superman. Only part I didn't really care for was the Jor-El/Lara twist, which I found to be an unnecessarily crass method to get the public to turn on Supes.
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Fake
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There are some guys here doing wonders to the conversation, mainly walltexts.
And even a Super-man fanboy like Angryjoe (already watched his review many times) said the movie have those issues.
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Doom85
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Well, if you're going to be smug about anyone trying to do a more in-depth breakdown of the film, here's a nice and SHORT rebuttal:
Can't blame me for resorting to that, after all certain people here did the same for the negative critic reviews for Captain America Brave New World (only the critic scores, somehow the significantly higher audience score didn't get posted by these posters, an accidental oversight on their part, I'm sure!)
Seriously, a Youtuber, no matter what their fandom is, doesn't prove anything. Lord knows I've seen poor analysis from plenty of them. Hell, Critical Drinker's hilarious mess of a "review" of Thunderbolts is still fresh in my mind, a mess so bad even a good deal of his own comments section called him out on it. Or good god, I remember Nostalgia Critic's embarrassing review of Event Horizon. "Why does Sam Neill have to explain the Event Horizon's form of travel to Laurence Fishburne and his team? They're scientists, they should know this!" Uh, no, Doug, the movie makes explicitly clear they're NOT scientists, and also, the Event Horizon's form of travel was exclusive to that ship which disappeared for years and only now they've discovered its signal. Which, you know, is why he's explaining it to them right now in the film. Geezus.
Anyway,
The Justice Gang exist to show how different their crime fighting is from Superman. The countries' conflict is connected to Lex's plans for Superman. Ultraman (who is even a Superman clone) and the Engineer work for Lex to try to kill Superman. The Daily Planet crew work to expose Lex's plans that are aiming to kill Superman. Everything is connected to Superman and/or Lex Luthor's plans to kill Superman.
If one wants to say that maybe it's still too much to follow for them personally, fine, but if all the subplots are ultimately tied to Superman vs. Lex Luthor which is the central conflict, then it's bizarre to say the film "lacks focus".
And let's be real, they remove the Justice Gang from the film, and then people will just go, "well why doesn't any of the other superheroes show up to help?!" You know, how people have repeatedly argued for countless MCU solo films even if the film explains it and/or the conflict isn't one they could get another relevant hero to assist in time.
So at this point, superhero films have to look at these complaints and be like:
March Climber
Gold Member
Please, don't put Critical Drinker in the same category as Angry Joe Show and Nostalgia Critic. AJS and NC will actually break down movies point for point when necessary with good analysis, sometimes upwards of an hour or more doing so depending on the movie. Critical Drinker has been slowly phoning it in by comparison. Sometimes decent analysis, sometimes he barely pays attention to what he is watching, sometimes he doesn't even watch what he reviews at all. CD is the model description of the type of youtuber you're criticizing in your post.
It's more rare for the first two to miss a good point than it is for CD to catch one.
Lambogenie
Member
He makes good points though, especially people would moan that no other heroes show up if they removed the justice gang.
Trilobit
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Fake
Member
You don't need to write walltexts to make good points.
Doom85
Member
Well, at least I'm not stereotyping everyone who disagrees with me as a _____ fanboy or such like:
Straw man - Wikipedia
Seriously, dude, you have NO room to talk.
Vlodril
Member
Not unless the us carries it completely. I don't think there is a way it will do 600. Especially since as you said other big films will drop.
Doom85
Member
At least I'm elaborating on my argument. People posting nothing but a GIF and/or a one-sentence reply that basically only says, "I don't agree", yeah, not exactly compelling arguments.
VulcanRaven
Member
15:50. So someone at WB announced Cavill's return on the same day the deal with Gunn was finalized. Him coming back wasn't planned or talked about.
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Poppinfresh
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Watched it last night.
Superman 1, 2, & 3 with Christopher Reeve will always be my top three Superman movies. I'd consider this one a strong #4.
I liked that it didn't go into origin story territory and just picked up the plot when Superman and others had been active for awhile, and I really liked that Superman/Lois were already a thing in this movie.
That said, the best parts of the movie were the Justice Gang and Krypto.
Superman 1, 2, & 3 with Christopher Reeve will always be my top three Superman movies. I'd consider this one a strong #4.
I liked that it didn't go into origin story territory and just picked up the plot when Superman and others had been active for awhile, and I really liked that Superman/Lois were already a thing in this movie.
That said, the best parts of the movie were the Justice Gang and Krypto.
But seriously, I'm glad the film is going ok and wish it was doing better. We can hypothesize about how it might do if it were a more traditional structure, i.e. it opens with a "Superman growing up" montage, we get the meet-cute of Clarke and Lois, there is more (or any, really) play of Clarke being a goof to dodge the suspicion that he is Superman, etc. In order to fit that stuff in we'd probably have to lose the entire dimensional prison segment and radically streamline the Justice Gang stuff. I think it could have worked, Superman is newish to the scene, Metropolis is his primary turf, he starts to get entangled in international affairs, and has to realize he can't save everyone himself because Lex figures out the ONLY real way to defeat Superman, which is to give him competing simultaneous crises.
That kind of film structure would play better, I think, as the Clark and Lois romance was ALWAYS a major draw, which is why it is the core of so many of the tv shows, followed by an origin story which is a perineal film favorite. With this film we get so many ideas thrown at us it can be over whelming and diffuse the core story, which ultimately (IMHO) is Superman gaining confidence and trust in his own internal moral compass and the lois and clark relationship becoming CONCRETE and enduring. But these things are buried under plotting generals, WTF moments with surprise villains, other hero shenanigans, and a murky land grab scheme.
So I hope Gunn can devote some time to these evergreen film narratives and its not all in media res type stuff. I think Supes, and ESPECIALLY Batman, are ones where he can abridge the origin quite a bit and get away with it, so maybe it will be just those two.
That kind of film structure would play better, I think, as the Clark and Lois romance was ALWAYS a major draw, which is why it is the core of so many of the tv shows, followed by an origin story which is a perineal film favorite. With this film we get so many ideas thrown at us it can be over whelming and diffuse the core story, which ultimately (IMHO) is Superman gaining confidence and trust in his own internal moral compass and the lois and clark relationship becoming CONCRETE and enduring. But these things are buried under plotting generals, WTF moments with surprise villains, other hero shenanigans, and a murky land grab scheme.
So I hope Gunn can devote some time to these evergreen film narratives and its not all in media res type stuff. I think Supes, and ESPECIALLY Batman, are ones where he can abridge the origin quite a bit and get away with it, so maybe it will be just those two.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Did you felt targeted by this? I wasn't responding to you with this message and the person I quoted wasn't too. Also I already said time and time that MoS, BvS UE, ZSJL (as much as I love those films) are in no way perfect. Every movie has flaws when every criticism someone has with Superman is met with you defending it no matter what.Well, at least I'm not stereotyping everyone who disagrees with me as a _____ fanboy or such like:
Straw man - Wikipedia
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Do you want me to list the flaws of MoS? Would that make you feel better?
Oh no your breaking my heart now
Thing is there is nothing to argue when you come up with stuff like "The film does not suffer from a lack of focus"... If you're so dishonest about this obvious element, how are we supposed to take you seriously and dive into more subtil criticism? Also don't worry, I'm gonna write a lengthy review but I just wait for a rewatch at home (I can already tell you you're not gonna like it).
But hey! I already gave you enough attention, I ain't got time for your walls of text so have a good week-end!
Fake
Member
By spamming your walltexts with gifs and sarcasm?
Is a miracle you are answer me without wall text. You don't need to make a bible passage just to make fun of people you don't agree.
Doom85
Member
-even if you weren't aiming it at me, it's still a generalization of people who liked the film and disagree with some criticisms of it. I don't see why you had to resort to that. If there are specific people who did that, call them out on it, but don't generalize.
edit: also, I responded to like three, maybe four people's posts, in a thread that is nearing SIX HUNDRED posts, in terms of criticism. You're really stretching the definition of "every" there.
-"dishonest"? Geezus. I may feel those claiming the film has a lack of focus fail to understand the significance of some of the characters and plot threads of the film and why they matter, but I'm not calling them "liars" over it.
The thing is, no one is debunking my point that all these characters and plot threads tie to Superman and/or Lex's plan to defame and kill Superman. Guardians 3 was similarly structured. Yes, it had a lot of characters, some of whom have character arcs, but the film as a whole is about Rocket. We get his full life story pre-Guardians 1, every hero's motivation is to save Rocket's life in the film, and the villain's focus is capturing Rocket as he needs him to complete his goals. All the major characters' agency in Vol. 3 is tied to and motivated by Rocket.
I'm not being "dishonest" by claiming it. I think it's a very valid argument. The problem is people will sometimes just look at a film on a more surface level and something that isn't blatantly obvious will go unnoticed by them. They see it's called "Guardians", they see it's a team of heroes, and they would feel I'm wrong unless they actually thought about the film more thoroughly (or rewatch it if need be) and see where I'm coming from.
-well, hopefully you learn to choose your wording more carefully. It's possible you don't realize how some of the things you say come across like the "dishonest" bit.
Have a good one.
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Doom85
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I wasn't even making fun of you! If you don't want to read all of what I posted, fine, but don't make complete assumptions about what's in the posts!
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I wonder if worldwide sentiment of America's current regime has affected sales internationally
Doom85
Member
Possibly. But it seems WB played it smart either way as people in this thread who live outside the US have mentioned a lack of marketing for the film which was not an issue I saw here in the US (most movies I saw in theaters this year, even non-WB ones, played the teaser or trailer beforehand for example).
So the Variety estimate of 100 million marketing budget would line up with that. Makes sense to focus your marketing on an audience who seems generally more reliable to show up rather than overspending on marketing.
They are now expanding the number of theaters that are showing it, so good word of mouth post-release weekend is likely picking up the slack for marketing in other areas.
This man is correct, and it was George Clooney.