Gillian Seed
Banned
This is my biggest lamentation as well. Arisen Richard (Sword of Truth/Legend of the Seeker) will get one go at Bitterblack though! Then I'll create a new Arisen.
Nice! Loved that show!
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Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen |OT| deep down darkness
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Nice! Loved that show!
Best comparison I heard was its like a modern adaptation of the Capcom D&D games from years ago. I think thats fair. There are minor similarities to Dark Souls but its really its own thing.
Colonel Nasty
Member
I was a magic archer last time, shit was awesome.
Jake Tower
Banned
It's Super Dragon's Dogma, plus you get bonuses for owning the original.
If you need to, sell your original to offset the cost. You'll lose the rad Dangan intro music forever, though.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Shit I forgot this was so close. One of my favorite games last year, but I just don't have time to jump into this right now :<
Lee Chaolan
Member
The show was so amazing! So sad it ended after only two seasons
Of course with an Arisen named Richard, my pawn, of course, is Kahlan
If you have 360, feel free to add me, if PS3, I can take some photos of Arisen and my pawn darkistheway
Member
The bonuses make me want to keep the original. I'll probably get it down the road... I promised myself Revengeance first.
Lee Chaolan
Member
That class does sound pretty sick, I was a mystic knight with Richard. Magic Archer is probably what I'll be next!
HalfBakedProphet
Member
this image right here might be enough to make me buy this.
I have most the vocations maxed out. I might throw my black swordsman armor on, switch to warrior and just start slaughtering solo
Kinda torn on whether to start a fresh character when I get Dark Arisen for the full experience of all the changes they've made or go ahead and start a new vanilla character right now for immediate Bitterblackin' as soon as I get it.
Current duo is sitting at level 130 or something so they'd probably trivialize the new stuff a bit too much. Think I'd rather go in under-leveled rather than over-leveled.
Current duo is sitting at level 130 or something so they'd probably trivialize the new stuff a bit too much. Think I'd rather go in under-leveled rather than over-leveled.
this image right here might be enough to make me buy this.
I have most the vocations maxed out. I might throw my black swordsman armor on, switch to warrior and just start slaughtering solo
Yeah, I am looking forward to facing this guy.
Both JB's and EB's price is $38
https://ebgames.com.au/xbox360-161308-Dragons-Dogma-Dark-Arisen-Xbox-360
http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/game/xbox-360/dragon-s-dogma-dark-arisen/680249
Might go JB since they give out sealed copies of games.
Snapshot King
Member
I can't believe we're still not 100% sure how you get the infinite ferrystone, and whether or not we can get it on New Games ;_;
endlessflood
Member
You can also get it for AUD$28 (with free shipping) from Ozgameshop if you're willing to wait a week or two for delivery.
That's what JB have on their web site, and it's also what the EB guys have told me in store.
Ace Harding
Member
I missed DD and after recently getting hooked into Dark Souls and Monster Hunter and hearing comparisons I'm interested in trying this release.
For those who played DD, what do you think of Patrick Klepek's review?
Ignore the score (I don't care about that). Is it a fair review? Any points you disagree with? Anything he missed?
There's some stuff in that review that REALLY makes me interested, like:
His biggest gripe seems to be the lack of anything interesting OTHER than combat until the end of the game (which sounds like it must be pretty awesome?).
I understand the story is not great - I don't really care about that. But are the environments interesting? He mentions you end up seeing the same places over and over again. Is that fair?
Is the leveling/character progression done well? Lots of customization? Loot?
For those who played DD, what do you think of Patrick Klepek's review?
Ignore the score (I don't care about that). Is it a fair review? Any points you disagree with? Anything he missed?
There's some stuff in that review that REALLY makes me interested, like:
His biggest gripe seems to be the lack of anything interesting OTHER than combat until the end of the game (which sounds like it must be pretty awesome?).
I understand the story is not great - I don't really care about that. But are the environments interesting? He mentions you end up seeing the same places over and over again. Is that fair?
Is the leveling/character progression done well? Lots of customization? Loot?
I'd rather spend the $10 extra for a local copy. I have banned Ozgameshop after they sent me a Asian copy of Red Dead Redemption and i couldn't buy the DLC for it.
itzknickknac
Member
Question: Is this game the US version or AU version?
EDIT:
D=
If this is the case, then I'll pass
8 times out of 10 they send PAL UK copies of games, sometimes for some reason they send NTSC US/Asian games.
At least with a local copy I'm getting it instantly instead of waiting 1-3 weeks, I 100% know it's Australian, i can easily return it plus it has trade value and EB/JB accept it.
Sanctuary
Member
So minor that the comparisons really need to stop, because it's pretty much on every gaming forum. The only real way the two compare is aesthetically somewhat in the darker areas, and somewhat post game. But post game just feels more like how it was in the very early levels going up against the seemingly unkillable bandits of doom.
And as much as people complained about framerate issues (PS3 version?), and "awful tearing" (it was only awful on the 360 if you constantly and spastically panned the screen around and were looking for it), the worst thing in this game for me was the idiodic and chatty pawns. Especially because they would repeat the same lines over and over again as though they all gained amnesia every five minutes. Really loved most of the other parts of the game, and the fast travel has been "fixed" in this expansion for those who already owned the first, but I'm seriously not looking forward to hearing "MASTER, A GOBLIN!" another thousand times.
The leveling system is not bad. It's also customizable, although by how much you think would depend on the person. I felt it was pretty bare-boned and obvious, but it was still fun. Other than that, there really is nothing worth mentioning about the game other than the monster fights and combat. The combat was the funnest part about the game and you may as well just think of it more like those closed off segments in the God of War games, where you have to kill a bunch of enemies to progress (or Devil May Cry). It's obviously not closed-off and it's in larger "arenas", but that's pretty much how the game plays for the most part. It's not Skyrim, it's not Dark Souls, but more of a mashup of the D&D games of old and Monster Hunter, with an attempt at an open-world feel. Although honestly, I started making Monster Hunter comparisons prior to actually playing any Monster Hunter games. After playing MH3U, I'd say the enemies in Dragon's Dogma aren't quite up to par with the Monster Hunter bosses, but they animate similarly well, and are still probably better than anything else that's not exclusively Monster Hunter. The pawn system gives you kind of an MH online experience.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Love the hell out of this shot.
They nailed the atmosphere so well in this game, and Bitterblack Isle seems to just continue with that.
I'm elated we even got a good expansion. The initial quest DLC was meh indeed, I just love everything I've been seeing so far.
endlessflood
Member
I've never ordered an Xbox 360 game from them, but for the PS3 games it's always a UK copy that works fine with Australian DLC (i.e. BLES coded games). I have ordered about 20 games from them now over the course of about 4 or 5 years (from before they had the ozgameshop shopfront and only had 365games.co.uk).
The only downside is shipping time (usually 7-10 days), but that's the price you pay for getting the games much cheaper. I don't know what the implications are for trading games in locally as I don't actually do that, I keep all of my games.
toddhunter
Member
Just picked this up today in Australia.
Jumping in for the first time, so some questions for GAF (it is your fault I'm playing this after all):
* Best class/setup that is fun to play and gets really strong later on?
* Anything really important that I can miss/do that I'll regret later? (only really have the time to do it once).
* Anything that I 100% must do that isn't on the regular path?
Thanks.
Jumping in for the first time, so some questions for GAF (it is your fault I'm playing this after all):
* Best class/setup that is fun to play and gets really strong later on?
* Anything really important that I can miss/do that I'll regret later? (only really have the time to do it once).
* Anything that I 100% must do that isn't on the regular path?
Thanks.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Anyone know what the story is behind the expansion stuff?
njean777
Member
40$ for an expansion pack is regular price. That is how much pc expansion packs usually were and some still are, see SC2:HOTS.
itzknickknac
Member
You can change your class at any time, but the class you level up as determines what stats you increase as you level. Warrior gives a good balance between attack and HP. Sorc gives the highest Magic attack and Assassin gives the highest attack. Just keeping that in mind, you can do whatever you want and all the classes are pretty fun. It doesn't make that big a difference end-game anyway.
I think Assassin is really fun personally.
Blizzard was on the "let's make our disc based games $60 and $40 without making some sort of LE to justify it!" bandwagon long before anyone else was after the Saturn died, traditionally expansion packs had been $30. Though admittedly that $10 raise WOULD match with console prices (these $30 expansions were generally for $50 games), and this is standalone so that's some compensation, especially as you can trade in the regular for $10 and make it $30. You'll lose Into Free, but as I noted you can just buy that off iTunes for 69 cents (though I don't think the PS3 supports custom soundtracks, so on that front you couldn't just play it at the title screen instead if not through the whole game.)
SloaneRisette
Member
Assassin is pretty great, definitely.
Though I personally have a big love for Ranger, and slowly getting one for Mystic Knight, but I'd say there's really no wrong decisions in choosing a vocation, all of them are fantastic. (Well, I technically can't vouch for Mage or Sorcerer, but still, all are pretty great).
RyanardoDaVinci
Member
Anyone know what the story is behind the expansion stuff?
Since it's titled "Dark Arisen," and this guy:
Looks to have a hole in his chest, I'm gonna guess that he was a former Arisen who turned evil and stuff and thangs.
Other pictures made it look more like a face actually.
The twist is that Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen is a Ghosts & Goblins sequel.
endlessflood
Member
All of the classes are good and fun to play, and with the way the augments work you are encouraged to try more than one. Apart from right at the very beginning the game is fairly easy so you don't need to worry about ending up with a character set up that isn't strong enough.
In terms of quest progression and snookering yourself:
- You'll be warned at certain points in the story that continuing on will wipe your current quests, and it will ask if you're sure if you want to continue. What they don't explain is that it's not just the side quests that you've currently accepted that will get wiped, but all untaken noticeboard side quests will be wiped as well and you'll never get a chance to do them. This doesn't apply to the "Kill X number of enemy Y" quests, they keep going, but the other ones with slight story elements do get wiped.
- When Caxton (you'll meet him later) asks you for an idol, do not give him anything other than a Gold Idol; once you give him a certain type of idol there is no way to change it later.
- When you are asked to do a mission for Fournival that involves Symone, rest at an inn before you accept that quest and make sure you get a gold idol out of her afterwards (otherwise, try again using the "retry from last checkpoint" [at least I think that's the option] that takes you back to the Inn so you can start again).
- Make sure you do Fournival's personal quests as soon as possible, because one of the mainline quests can remove them.
- After you meet the Duke for the first time, do not leave by a side door; make absolutely sure you leave the building via the main front doors or you'll miss out on an entire quest line.
- When you talk to people, do quests with them, or give them presents, they gain affinity for you. The person with the highest affinity for you later on will become your lover, regardless of sex or age. Be mindful of that or you'll be in for a rude surprise
Sanctuary
Member
Well, if you're a min/maxer you'd want to take X levels for both Fighter and Warrior to gain their augments for an Assassin and then just stick with Assasin for the rest of the levels since they gain the most stats per level out of all of the classes.
The shitty thing is that if you want to be the "optimal" Mystic Knight (or Magick Archer), you're better off spending the majority of your levels as a Sorcerer and then pretty much switching near the end of the game. It's not necessary, but it gives you the most powerful version of the Mystic Knight. Can't speak too much for the Ranger or Strider since the Assassin is close enough to them already, but stronger as a whole.
Personally I found the Sorcerer class to be really fun, and it gets really powerful later. But then I also found the Assassin fun simply because it's a class that gets into the middle of everything and has more than one way to play. The Warrior is way too sluggish (almost felt like a Great Sword user from Monster Hunter) and the Fighter and it's "tanking" is kind of pointless.
RyanardoDaVinci
Member
Not that hard and there is an Easy Mode.
Sanctuary
Member
It's not really hard, except possibly if you're a Mage/Sorcerer until you get Miasma and that's only a few levels. The difficulty spikes up again post-game, but it's not "terribly hard" as some might make it out to be. No idea how difficult Dark Arisen will be compared to post-game, nor what level you should be before tackling it.
toddhunter
Member
Thanks for the replies above. Feel like I'm ready to give it a good go now.
Pro from Dover
Member
Yeah, you can compare Dragon's Dogma to a few games. But I like to think that once a game can be compared to 3 or more games, it's its own thing.
nikos
Member
Where did you get it from? I went to JB and EB and don't seem to be willing to sell it early.
Deified Data
Banned
Definitely. I'm going in fresh to check out all the new enemy spawns. 130 sounds way overleveled for DA.
Yeah, this is true, most accurately would probably be Elder Scrolls open world crossed with Devil May Cry, and even that simple it's not something you see very often and is distinctive enough, nevermind that with how awful most Elder Scrolls combat IS having a good combat system is a godsend.
And as I'm high 30s I figure I'd probably see a good chunk of the game through DA, then touch DA content.
Sanctuary
Member
The irony here is that TES games suck horribly bad with combat, but feel like awesome terrain exploration simulators (since the dungeons kind of suck too). On the other hand, Dragon's Dogma excels at the combat, but is rather "meh" when it comes to exploring (mostly due to the repetitive nature of the terrain and the backtracking in vanilla), while the dungeons were "okay".
Also, am I just reading some of the posts here too deeply, or are some of you suggesting that new enemies will appear in the vanilla game as well, and not just when you enter the new dungeon?