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[Gojiira]

"Who gives a shit," Garland quipped’

Ya know this right here is the problem, Druckmann agreeing with this sentiment shows how arrogant he is. I do agree that artists can and should make what they want but to just outright handwave away criticism in a commercial product which he acknowledges having a misleading marketing campaign is just utter dickheadedness.
High time Druckman realised that you dont piss off your fans if you want to stay successful.

 

[omegasc]

I'm always amazed at the amount of "gamers" so quick and eager to hate everything and everyone.

 

[Fess]

A game about faith and religion can be polarizing too. I guess the theme will be uplifting and feel good rather than depressing.

Lmao I suspect that there is nothing Druckmann hate more than uplifting feel good themes. Remember the quote : ”We don’t use the word ’fun’.”

It’ll be about religious extremists, someone not extreme who’s losing their faith, some atheist doing rants about how stupid you must be to believe in any religion, and some vague strings pulled that there might possibly if you look hard enough exist an higher being but nobody will be around to tell anyone about it, oh and someone the main character loves will die.

 

[Zacfoldor]

It reads to you like that because you're entitled.

What he's actually saying is you don't create things in order to please everyone. When you do that, you get safe drivel that doesn't do or saying anything. Maybe that's your speed and that's fine, and he's accepting that. You're not going to sell to everyone and that's okay too. Someone you think you're entitled to like everything and be catered to in every way you want. If you think that way, look for media that you think you'll like and leave it at that.

Nah, I think I'll demand it all caters to me. It's been working well for me so far. It's far better than deeply and furiously huffing each others farts and laughing at the poor disappointed peasants who made you rich in the first place.

"Who gives a shit." Indeed.

 

[Saber]

Smells like insecurity about their own preferences tbh

The guy throws "who gives a shit" 2 times in a row. If anything, he is the one who sounds more insecure than anything.

 

[mayham2199]

Thats Alex Garland, sir. Creator of Ex Machina, 28 Days Later and Civil War.

He can be as cunty as he wants

Seriously when you are that talented you can talk that way to random psychos on the internet.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Lmao I suspect that there is nothing Druckmann hate more than uplifting feel good themes. Remember the quote : ”We don’t use the word ’fun’.”

It’ll be about religious extremists, someone not extreme who’s losing their faith, some atheist doing rants about how stupid you must be to believe in any religion, and some vague strings pulled that there might possibly if you look hard enough exist an higher being but nobody will be around to tell anyone about it, oh and someone the main character loves will die.

Yup that's a basic storytelling device the game length will definitely use, but in the end I do think he will choose shock & awe into enlightenment. How a disbeliever with so much shit happening to them will see the light at the end of day, AND if he has any talent it will be open ended for further interpretation. No actual good religious story does black & white facts.

I haven't read DUNE books only the movies but there is lot game stories can do with such themes. Ambiguous territory where people are stuck playing their part, some use to abuse while others choose to wield it as a weapon for correction. I can think of many things a good writer could think of for character development.

Edit - I mean this does sounds like Dune to me. People stuck in fulfilling some prophecy for the greater good.

 

[DaciaJC]

How about that Israeli guy that shot two Palestinians in Miami recently, only to find out that the two Palestinians were Israelis, who themselves claimed they were victims of an antisemitic crime commited by Muslims, only to find out that the guy who shot them was an Israeli as well?

Jewish man mistakes two Israeli tourists for Palestinians and opens fire on them in Miami

Victims reportedly posted ‘death to Arabs’ on social media after shooting while suspect held on attempted murder charges

www.theguardian.com

"Death to Arabs" - Arabs are an ethnic group, not a religious designation.

Or what about the Oslo bombing by Breivik?

Norway's July 22, 2011, terror attack: a timeline

STAVANGER, Norway (AP) — A timeline of the events of July 2011, when Anders Behring Breivik attacked the Norwegian government and a Labor youth camp on the island of Utoya, killing a total of 77 people, and the court proceedings that followed:

apnews.com

From Wiki:
"While Breivik was frequently described in the media as a "Christian fundamentalist",[308][309][310][311][312] such assertions were disputed in a number of sources,[313] and Breivik has later denied it, stating in letters to Norwegian newspaper Dagen that he "is not, and has never been a Christian", and that he thinks there are few things in the world more "pathetic" than "the Jesus-figure and his message".[170] He said he prays and sacrifices to Odin, and identifies his religion as Odinism.[170]"

Anyway, I'm out.

Peace.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Nah, I think I'll demand it all caters to me. It's been working well for me so far. It's far better than deeply and furiously huffing each others farts and laughing at the poor disappointed peasants who made you rich in the first place.

"Who gives a shit." Indeed.

Spoiler for you, your farts stink too

 

[mayham2199]

"Who gives a shit," Garland quipped’

Ya know this right here is the problem, Druckmann agreeing with this sentiment shows how arrogant he is. I do agree that artists can and should make what they want but to just outright handwave away criticism in a commercial product which he acknowledges having a misleading marketing campaign is just utter dickheadedness.
High time Druckman realised that you dont piss off your fans if you want to stay successful.

As long as they keep making great games idgaf. All this shit is pointless internet whining because he doesn’t care about your opinion.

Speaking of prophets...

I get this feeling that a yakuza spinoff with a 1 year development time where you deliver uber eats to aliens and play space darts and space golf in the oddly familiar "Cosmo-rocho" will outsell this game

This right here is the height of delusion. Some of you guys need to seek help.

 

[a'la mode]

we all know it will attack Christians.

oh no my particular brand of authoritarian space daddy

 

[AJUMP23]

Probably about Islam, and the main character will have a habit of drawing pictures of Mohamed. That way Druckman could be very edgy and cool.

 

[Roman Empire]

we all know it will attack Christians.

If we had a bingo card for this game I bet 110% attacking christians would be there. These people can't make anything without belittling something else.

 

[Matsuchezz]

My reaction exactly.

It's one thing to stick to your creative vision and decision, it's another thing to completely disrespect any fans who have different opinions.

This is one of the reasons I hate modern industry.

Fans can eat dick, "disrepect fans" gimme a break!! "Hate" the industry, what are you a woman?!

 

[Bernardougf]

Speaking of insecurity.

This was my fan ... he bought every game I made.. he bought TLOUS two or three times.... he praised it to high havens ... he didnt like TLOUS2 ...fucking HATER!.

Its a really nice mentality towards fans ... it must be good being in such high horse... hope he dosent fall.

 

[Represent.]

Fucking love Garland, man.

Here’s a trailer for his next movie, out next month





Looks fucking wicked

Love A24 investing into War movies

Following it up with 28 Years Later 2 months after that.
banger after banger with civil war just last year

 

[RoadHazard]

They are incapable of articulating their creative vision, because they know well it won't stand up to even mild scrutiny. They don't even hide their agenda-filled malice anymore lol.
I personally don't go attacking these cunts on public social media since its a cesspool and waste of mental energy but i fully cheer on the people who do ha

"Malice".

 

[Killjoy-NL]

"Death to Arabs" - Arabs are an ethnic group, not a religious designation.

The Israel-Palestine conflict is based entirely on the premise that the State of Israel was promised to the Jewish people by 'God'.

From Wiki:
"While Breivik was frequently described in the media as a "Christian fundamentalist",[308][309][310][311][312] such assertions were disputed in a number of sources,[313] and Breivik has later denied it, stating in letters to Norwegian newspaper Dagen that he "is not, and has never been a Christian", and that he thinks there are few things in the world more "pathetic" than "the Jesus-figure and his message".[170] He said he prays and sacrifices to Odin, and identifies his religion as Odinism.[170]"

"He identifies his religion as Odinism".

Remember when I said "all religions are the same" earlier in this thread?
They're all biased sects, living in their own bubble and thinking others are 'wrong'.

 

[simpatico]

Are you talking about Christians or Muslims?
Btw, "best society" is subjective and relative

Certainly isn’t. That’s 90s brain thinking. The only thing that matters is fostering healthy, strong reproduction and high trust living areas. Anything else is masturbatory fluff. There’s really only one that fits that bill.

 

[Gojiira]

As long as they keep making great games idgaf. All this shit is pointless internet whining because he doesn’t care about your opinion.

This right here is the height of delusion. Some of you guys need to seek help.

Well your part of the problem then, Discounting criticism as ‘internet whining’ is exactly why so much comes out now either woke or with shit writing or with dumbed down handholding design. TLOU2 was great, but its nowhere close to being great.

 

[Danjin44]

I play lot of SMT games so my issue isn’t the game has “religious” theme, I just don’t care for this game’s art direction and the fact I hated TLOU2 I feel like no longer have any interest in ND games.

 

[Spukc]

Imagine being such a fucking hardcore virgin edgelord piece of fucking inbred sister fucking shit that you in real life bother people that create games

 

[Fess]

in the end I do think he will choose shock & awe into enlightenment. How a disbeliever with so much shit happening to them will see the light at the end of day, AND if he has any talent it will be open ended for further interpretation. No actual good religious story does black & white facts

Is he religious?
If he isn’t then I suspect that it’ll be the usual tropes about extremists, blind faith, some Messiah character, corrupt or otherwise fake and evil priests, doubt, science versus religion etc, big yawn.
And if he’s religious and try to pull positive strings it’ll probably end up super corny.

Games, movies, books. They rarely pull it off. It’s just a difficult subject, doesn’t matter if it’s a made up religion or not. In the end it’s always predictable and one inch deep and it feels like I’ve heard it all ten thousand times before.

 

[CrustyBritches]

 

[MacReady13]

My reaction exactly.

It's one thing to stick to your creative vision and decision, it's another thing to completely disrespect any fans who have different opinions.

This is one of the reasons I hate modern industry.

Spot on. If fans hate something, then "so what", but god forbid a creative is critical of another creatives work cause that is not on. Unless that creative is George Lucas and it's the Star Wars prequels, then EVERY "creative" can shit on those films and Lucas all they like for some reason.

 

[EruditeHobo]

Imagine being such a fucking hardcore virgin edgelord piece of fucking inbred sister fucking shit that you in real life bother people that create games

I know, how pathetic.

As for the game, let's see some gameplay. I'm sure it'll look awesome, but many will still complain because of an inspecifically ethnic, bald protagonist. What are you going to do. As Garland said, who gives a shit.

 

[Woggleman]

People love it when somebody like JK Rowling or Dave Chapelle refuse to back down from their vision and tell haters where they can stick it.

Neil does the exact same thing and refuses to bend the knee and all of a sudden it is a crime against gaming. If you make a decision stand ten toes on it and that is what he did.

 

[PauloRoberto]

People love it when somebody like JK Rowling or Dave Chapelle refuse to back down from their vision and tell haters where they can stick it.

Neil does the exact same thing and refuses to bend the knee and all of a sudden it is a crime against gaming. If you make a decision stand ten toes on it and that is what he did.

Well, did JK Rowling or Dave Chapelle lied about its creations? I mean, both are extremely upfront about them....

 

[Woggleman]

Well, did JK Rowling or Dave Chapelle lied about its creations? I mean, both are extremely upfront about them....

Maybe but I am not one of those people who needs to know the whole story before I go into something.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Spot on. If fans hate something, then "so what", but god forbid a creative is critical of another creatives work cause that is not on. Unless that creative is George Lucas and it's the Star Wars prequels, then EVERY "creative" can shit on those films and Lucas all they like for some reason.

Creatives are critical of each other's work all the time. That being said, you generally want to be respectful.

The prequels get shit on because they were fundamentally poor movies that have aged better due to projects that had nothing to do with George Lucas like the clone wars series. George gets a lot of criticism because he directed and wrote the movies and the worst things about them are the direction and writing.

People are critical of the matrix sequels, people are critical of the godfather 3, people are critical of the dark knight rises (and they ought to be critical of the 3rd act of dark knight), they're critical of Christopher nolan's audio mixes, Scorcese shit all over the MCU, people have criticized the Irishman, people have criticized Zack Snyder...

Like I don't get where you come off saying it's just George Lucas...

 

[PauloRoberto]

Maybe but I am not one of those people who needs to know the whole story before I go into something.

Neither am I, but if you create a lying trailer, you are aboslutely NOT innocent.

PS: you also can't create a history with convient inconsistencies just to fit your story...

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Neither am I, but if you create a lying trailer, you are aboslutely NOT innocent.

PS: you also can't create a history with convient inconsistencies just to fit your story...

LOL, anyone who watched that trailer should have realized what Joel's fate was.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

I have yet to see or read an interview with Druckmann where he says something actually interesting about directing games.

It's because he's a miserly cunt. He hates fun.

 

[MacReady13]

People are critical of the matrix sequels, people are critical of the godfather 3, people are critical of the dark knight rises (and they ought to be critical of the 3rd act of dark knight), they're critical of Christopher nolan's audio mixes, Scorcese shit all over the MCU, people have criticized the Irishman, people have criticized Zack Snyder...

Like I don't get where you come off saying it's just George Lucas...

PEOPLE are critical. I'm talking about other film makers. The vast majority today are not coming out saying that Disney Star Wars is shit. PEOPLE do, like us viewers. But how many film makers have come out and said that the Star Wars sequels were awful? I saw MANY come out against the prequels yet I can't remember seeing anyone come out saying the Rise of Skywalker is one of the worst big budget, franchise films of the last 10-15 years... I don't see major film makers coming out giving it to the newest batch of Marvel films for how god awful they are.

 

[PauloRoberto]

LOL, anyone who watched that trailer should have realized what Joel's fate was.

Which means that hat trailer wasn't just a lie... it was a fu**ing bad lie. To be honest, I never played TLOU 2 and I absolutely never will, did nt lose anything of value... I mean, how the hell do you want me to believe that in a world where everything is gone (or going) the one thing that was not affected was whey protein production ?! :-D

 

[cormack12]

Which means that hat trailer wasn't just a lie... it was a fu**ing bad lie. To be honest, I never played TLOU 2 and I absolutely never will, did nt lose anything of value... I mean, how the hell do you want me to believe that in a world where everything is gone (or going) the one thing that was not affected was whey protein production ?! :-D

Abbie ate the infected dude

 

[Mibu no ookami]

PEOPLE are critical. I'm talking about other film makers. The vast majority today are not coming out saying that Disney Star Wars is shit. PEOPLE do, like us viewers. But how many film makers have come out and said that the Star Wars sequels were awful? I saw MANY come out against the prequels yet I can't remember seeing anyone come out saying the Rise of Skywalker is one of the worst big budget, franchise films of the last 10-15 years... I don't see major film makers coming out giving it to the newest batch of Marvel films for how god awful they are.

As I said, people barely criticize the work of their peers in real time. Can you find me real time quotes from directors shitting on the prequels at the time?

 

[DrMano]

Is he religious?
If he isn’t then I suspect that it’ll be the usual tropes about extremists, blind faith, some Messiah character, corrupt or otherwise fake and evil priests, doubt, science versus religion etc, big yawn.
And if he’s religious and try to pull positive strings it’ll probably end up super corny.

Games, movies, books. They rarely pull it off. It’s just a difficult subject, doesn’t matter if it’s a made up religion or not. In the end it’s always predictable and one inch deep and it feels like I’ve heard it all ten thousand times before.

The only time I've seen religion being pulled off well in a piece of literature in when the entire story/premise from the ground up behaves in a matter-of-factly kind of way towards religiosity. This has only happened when the producers are actually practicing what they preach, they live by it, and they display it in a mundane kind of way--pros and cons and and weird cultural values and all. Its actually fascinating to read a good story written by someone with different values.

Druckmann is a mainstream social media zionist and his posse are liberal globalists with a paint coating of spiritualism; if they have any at all.

So in conclusion: This game's 'Religious theme' is going to fall flat on its face.

 

[kiphalfton]

This Garland dude sounds like a cunt

He's a writer. What do you expect.

 

[PaintTinJr]

As much as I back the sentiment that creatives can make whatever they like in the context of: if their thing commercially fails then it is their personal loss, the context of a game creator working at a major PlayStation first party developer is that their job is to justify the console hardware purchase gamers have already made or are about to make by releasing desirable games.

So IMO his job isn't the constraint free creative like some 12year old kid drawing a comic book, and just like Garland spoke about in his own career path, he gave back book 2 and 3 advances when he was a novelist because he just didn't want to do the job.
I
if Neil doesn't want to make games for the vast majority of PlayStation console buyers and only wants to produce likeable games for people that are in his sect maybe he should go independent and leave the big budget first party games to people not actively wanting to condescend to their customer base.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Druckmann has reached that state in which someone loves the sound of his voice a bit too much.

Religion isn't difficult to handle if you are a decent writer. The problem is that he isn't a very good one, to start with, and worse, he's extremely dogmatic in his worldviews. The books of sci-fi masters like Frank Herbert, Orson Scott Card and Isaac Asimov all have spiritual themes. He could learn from them. Also from that guy, Alex Garland. Ex-Machina is one of the smartest modern sci-fi movies. Religion is subtly present in it, but Druckmann lacks the writing talent for nuance.

 

[MacReady13]

As I said, people barely criticize the work of their peers in real time. Can you find me real time quotes from directors shitting on the prequels at the time?

Quotes? I can't remember exactly what was said but I do know prominent figures in film like Edgar Wright, Simon Pegg, Quentin Tarantino, that blob Patton Oswalt were all figures just having a go at the prequels. In fact, the TV show Spaced mocked the prequels.
Some were polite enough to not say anything about them but we KNEW they fucking hated it. Each to their own but like I said, the derision George Lucas copped was out of this world.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Quotes? I can't remember exactly what was said but I do know prominent figures in film like Edgar Wright, Simon Pegg, Quentin Tarantino, that blob Patton Oswalt were all figures just having a go at the prequels. In fact, the TV show Spaced mocked the prequels.
Some were polite enough to not say anything about them but we KNEW they fucking hated it. Each to their own but like I said, the derision George Lucas copped was out of this world.

LOL Edgar Wright? He was 25 when Phantom Menace came out. I'm talking in real time and the answer is it wasn't happening in real time.

George Lucas made one of the worst prequel trilogies of all time, but guess what do you think Phil Jackson didn't get any hate for the Hobbit movies? Like I just don't know where you're coming from with this selectionism. The Matrix movies were shit on in real time by everyone after the first movie and the third movie especially.

 

[MacReady13]

LOL Edgar Wright? He was 25 when Phantom Menace came out. I'm talking in real time and the answer is it wasn't happening in real time.

George Lucas made one of the worst prequel trilogies of all time, but guess what do you think Phil Jackson didn't get any hate for the Hobbit movies? Like I just don't know where you're coming from with this selectionism. The Matrix movies were shit on in real time by everyone after the first movie and the third movie especially.

And I don't know why you give a flying fuck about what I know to be the truth! I know that film makers today are far less accepting of criticising other film makers movies where in the past they weren't like that. Just look at the late, great William Friedkin. Never afraid to speak his mind. I made mention of George Lucas as 1 film maker. I could've mentioned many others... Again, not too certain why you are so hell bent on saying it never happened when I was alive, old enough to remember and saw it said from MANY people in the film fraternity.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Nah, I think I'll demand it all caters to me. It's been working well for me so far. It's far better than deeply and furiously huffing each others farts and laughing at the poor disappointed peasants who made you rich in the first place.

"Who gives a shit." Indeed.

Or you can just play other games that do cater to you. I mean damn....it's not that hard. Nothing in the world works this way (everything catering to you).

Also, nobody owes you anything.

 

[Sooner]

A game about faith and religion can be polarizing too.

When throughout human history has there ever been arguments or conflict between people based on religion? I can't think of any.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Two things: I want uncharted 5, secondly why is the developer of a game addresses these negative, outrageous things?

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

My reaction exactly.

It's one thing to stick to your creative vision and decision, it's another thing to completely disrespect any fans who have different opinions.

This is one of the reasons I hate modern industry.

Ok buddy settle down. The “fans” can go fuck themselves.

 

[ZehDon]

Ok buddy settle down. The “fans” can go fuck themselves.

You can go with that, but it has consequences. Consequences that Naughty Dog are going to be keenly aware of, if they're not already.

 

[CoreyFlawless]

For what I seen. Ppl already hating it since it been announced. Like how clueless are they. I don’t understand the fate stuff in a space game tho