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[Argyle]

Well makes sense (I remember hearing PS1 had "hacked" 2D). Did N64 handle things similarly (I know Saturn didn't)?

Don't know much about N64, sorry...

What makes you think that? Maybe 3DM being vertically stacked/layered might have some effect but otherwise I don't see why it'd be any different than GBA mask ROM for reads?

ROM access speeds are generally slower than RAM - I just wonder if accessing the ROM directly (if possible) has any speed penalty associated with it (vs. copying the texture to RAM)...

DarkStalkers didn't max it out CPS2, it's 4th sequels did (the JP only Vampire Hunter 2 & Vampire Savior 2) and that was just the ROM ceiling, not system performance. This is also actually an instance where DS' lowered resolution would save on memory (as the reworked bitmaps and sprites would be smaller). From a hardware standpoint, DS could do a 100% DarkStalkers Chronicle port with adjusted resolution, animation frames would be no problem. The only worry might be a large enough ROM (Capcom might not want to spring for 128MB to 256MB+ if they ported it anytime soon).

Wouldn't lowered resolution not be "100%" anymore?

You're right about Darkstalkers tho. Night Warriors looks like it was only 4 megabytes under the addressing limit on CPS2, but it was actually Vampire Savior that hit the limit (you'll notice that VS2 and VH2 are the same size as the original VS)...

 

[borghe]

Ah, but we're not comparing the PSP to dedicated media devices.
This is a thread comparing the PSP to the DS.

in that case.. umm... the DS causes less stress by not having to worry about it being an inadequate portable media player..

HA!

 

[soundwave05]

Once the memory stick prices come down, that'll be cool. Or better yet a USB HDD.

I sure as hell don't want to carry a PSP AND a seperate media player around. Besides I find the PSP's LCD display to actually be better looking than a lot of those media players.

 

[chespace]

Ok you degenerate motherfuckers you have your troll thread, so more goddamn DS VS. PSP threads, especially those masquerading as "hard hitting questions!"

Just no whining about being called biased in any of your blogs kiddies, hypocrites aren't cool.

Don't forget, this is a troll thread. As such, it is fun to troll Jarrod into action. Nothing more, nothing less.

and "Don't forget, there are guys like you all over the world." <-- know where this quote is from?

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Actually, since I haven't flamed the PSP yet, I'll explain why I'm not high on that system either.

For one, yeah, it's fragile. I won't go further into that, but I will say this - my Game Boy that I bought in 1990 still functions perfectly. I've come to expect that kind of milleage.

Also, it's made by Sony. Sony hasn't had a very good history for allowing the kind of games I crave on their systems. However, if Sony would allow some really neat retro-compilations on the PSP, much like they have for PS2, I'd be all for it(image the Midway Treasures on the PSP. Or how about the upcoming Capcom Compilation? The Mega Man Comp.? Street Fighter? Nacmo? Taito? Endless possibilities.)

Keep in mind, when the GBA first came out, games retailed for $40 bucks. That didn't last long, and soon the asking price for the average GBA game was only 30. Now, most games can easily be had for $20 or less. Hopefully, Sony eventually lowers the retail price on their games once the PSP has a nice, large userbase, like Nintendo eventually did.

The PSP would be absolutely perfect if:

1) It was a clam-shell design. Nice and comfortably portable.
2) I know it's Sony, but would it be too much to ask for a better screen? I hear they're working on an *improved* model for kiosks. Perhaps they can start selling these improved models?
3) They keep us retro-gamers happy. Those shitty old games won't hurt PSP sales.
4) Price. Drop that baby to $199, and we'll talk. $150 and it's all over.

 

[FeedMeAStrayCat]

That's one of the better examples, but most of the DS games have offered mostly N64-ish audio. I see no reason as to why they can't improve upon that, but as it stands, DS audio is pretty poor.

But some N64 soundtracks kickass.. they aren't even that bad sound quality wise. GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie, OoT, etc.

 

[TekunoRobby]

Don't forget, this is a troll thread. As such, it is fun to troll Jarrod into action. Nothing more, nothing less.

and "Don't forget, there are guys like you all over the world." <-- know where this quote is from?

Damn straight skippy and I'm glad this thread was made.

Hopefully it will be the 400 ton magnet that will bring every single DS VS PSP troll on this forum imagineable into one tightly contained package. It will be like the second coming of Christ except Christ is a horrible horrible monster locked in a cage while foaming at the mouth.

Anyways you can relax. You’re not the only person with a blog on these forums. Lord allmighty yours looks like it was typed in gold comparitvely. Oh and if you didn't read thanks a TON for telling me about Downfall, I'm checking it out on Friday.

EDIT 1: My original point in your blog still stands, no point in complaining about being called biased if you just keep feeding them fuel. Hell I know this is all fun and games and you've got some vendetta with Jarrod but your detractors don't care, more ammunition.

EDIT 2: No actually I don't have a damn clue where that quote is from. Mind if you PM me it's importance. I guess it's a good thing I don't remember all the atrocious butchering I do to the English language I've done. Wouldn't be suprised if that's quote from me. :lol

 

[Gek54]

Conker sounded great with DPII

 

[drohne]

Sony hasn't had a very good history for allowing the kind of games I crave on their systems.

sony is not scea. there are scads of great 2d ps1 and ps2 games in japan (the ps1 is second only to the saturn for 2d shooters, if it's second to anything). actually sony developed a number of 2d games in the ps1's early life (most of which were terrible, but uh...gunner's heaven is kinda neat!). and even the 2d games that slipped by scea and saw domestic release are far better and more numerous than the 2d games on n64 and gc. i don't know if scea will try to discourage 2d on psp, but at least there are no real barriers to importing.

 

[kaching]

where the hell did I say wipeout was a port?

When you said...

I'll give you guys Lumines and MGA.. I mean those are straight up new games.. but everything else??? lol..

That's the problem with rash generalizations...you tend to say things you probably don't even realize you're saying.

Though I will NOT let up on:

$250 price tag - inexcusable

And I'm sure there's quite a few people in this world that would look upon the hundreds or thousands you spent on that Home Theatre setup you like to mention and considered it an inexcusable price tag. Different strokes for different folks.

I'm not sure what you think you're crusading here by "not letting up" on the pricing issue. Is the PSP really unreasonably priced, compared to what other CE devices are on offer in the same price range?At that price point what else offers as much audio, video and general processing power with the ability to access high capacity removable storage, Wifi networking/connectivity, extensible software capability, native media playback for video, music and images, and a high resolution screen for this format? What out there is doing more for significnatly less?

$50 games - inexcusable

You'd still be paying less than you would have for most releases back in the 16-bit era.

any sort of use as a media player. the system sucks as a media player. I'm sorry if it is the only MP3 or MP4 player you have, just the same way as I am/was sorry the the only CD or DVD players people had were PS1's or PS2's.. if you want to play games on the unit, have a blast.. but if you want to watch videos or listen to music, realize there are about a hundred better ways out there to do it instead.

Rein in the melodrama, borghe! The PSP is perfectly serviceable as a media player. It lacks some bells and whistles that more dedicated players may offer, but there's really very few options that are all that much better for video *and* audio *and* photo playback without costing significantly more.

 

[explodet]

anyone wanna rip the FTM soundtrack for me pleeeease

Did you really want it? I know where to get it.
(Go figure, someone actually did rip it.)

 

[borghe]

When you said...
That's the problem with rash generalizations...you tend to say things you probably don't even realize you're saying.

bah.......

And I'm sure there's quite a few people in this world that would look upon the hundreds or thousands you spent on that Home Theatre setup you like to mention and considered it an inexcusable price tag. Different strokes for different folks.

but home theater is worth it.. and this isn't a home theater bashing thread now is it

I'm not sure what you think you're crusading here by "not letting up" on the pricing issue. Is the PSP really unreasonably priced, compared to what other CE devices are on offer in the same price range?At that price point what else offers as much audio, video and general processing power with the ability to access high capacity removable storage, Wifi networking/connectivity, extensible software capability, native media playback for video, music and images, and a high resolution screen for this format? What out there is doing more for significnatly less?

I will just point out that the initial dvd player can do all of that but play games for $200 AND has a 7" screen. Not to mention the player's "storage" is 4.7GB DVD's (8.5GB if DL discs ever come down in price). Granted it likely sucks as a MP3 player as well, but I think it would be hard to argue the PSP a better video player than that.

You'd still be paying less than you would have for most releases back in the 16-bit era.

are we talking about adjusted for inflation? if so you might be right.. but actual cash money dollars you spent a lot less on average during the 16-bit era than now (PSP included, not DS/GBA/C)

Rein in the melodrama, borghe! The PSP is perfectly serviceable as a media player. It lacks some bells and whistles that more dedicated players may offer, but there's really very few options that are all that much better for video *and* audio *and* photo playback without costing significantly more.

yes, there are few options out there that offer all of that. and even fewer options where you can bed a hooker and have her make you breakfast in the morning. that's the problem with jack of all trade devices. Like I said, I don't care how inadequate the device is (though I don't at all agree that it's serviceable). But anyone who tells me how great the videos are or an MP3 player it is I will certainly bust out a bunch of links to devices that can do the jobs much better.

so if you want to play MP4's from your PSP and DVD's from your PS2, have a blast.. but don't act like it is the end all be all way to do such things (not you personally but in general).

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

scea is not sony. there are scads of great 2d ps1 and ps2 games in japan (the ps1 is second only to the saturn for 2d shooters, if it's second to anything). actually sony developed a number of 2d games in the ps1's early life (most of which were terrible, but uh...gunner's heaven is kinda neat!). and even the 2d games that slipped by scea and saw domestic release are far better and more numerous than the 2d games on n64 and gc. i don't know if scea will try to discourage 2d on psp, but at least there are no real barriers to importing.

Yeah, that's true, I was really talking about Sony of America. I'm not as heavy into import gaming as a lot of hardcores are, but at least the PSP(and likewise the SP and DS) are regionless. No need for converters/modding!

And yes. Gunnners Heaven is neat.

 

[jarrod]

ROM access speeds are generally slower than RAM - I just wonder if accessing the ROM directly (if possible) has any speed penalty associated with it (vs. copying the texture to RAM)...

I'd assume so yes. Isn't that the case with every silicon ROM based platform though?

Wouldn't lowered resolution not be "100%" anymore?

Not when it's "100% with adjusted resolution".

To be honest though, I'm not sure any CPS1/2/3 Capcom fighter port is 100% on any platform yet. Each one so far has had it's own little "tweaks", even the fantastic 4MB RAM cart backed Saturn ports. I'll have to examine Chronicle when I eventually get my PSP (though it's not technically a CPS family port).

You're right about Darkstalkers tho. Night Warriors looks like it was only 4 megabytes under the addressing limit on CPS2, but it was actually Vampire Savior that hit the limit (you'll notice that VS2 and VH2 are the same size as the original VS)...

Really? Didn't realise VS1 reached the limit first... good to know.

Don't forget, this is a troll thread. As such, it is fun to troll Jarrod into action. Nothing more, nothing less.

So pretty much, your usual GAF modus operandi.

 

[jarrod]

actually sony developed a number of 2d games in the ps1's early life (most of which were terrible, but uh...gunner's heaven is kinda neat!).

Sony didn't develop Gunner's Heaven, MediaVision did. They also worked on Wild Arms and Astal iirc.

 

[TekunoRobby]

We should have a "NO FUCKING PORTABLES" week. any thread about portables or mentions of portable systems for a whole week, if you do you get banned for the rest of that week.

If you do that and any member chooses to post a topic anyways I want to reserve the right to act as stupid as I want in the thread without any repercussions.

Ohhh I hope we can change that GAF bylaw and allow one central thread (this one for example) and give me free reign in any other that crops up.

I'm doing a terribly shitty job arguing over which portable is better. Oh I know, MY PDA. I win!

 

[dark10x]

But anyone who tells me how great the videos or an MP3 player it is I will certainly but out a bunch of links to devices that can do the jobs much better.

It's pretty darn easy to use, though, and being able to quite out of whatever game you were playing to do something else is a very nice bonus indeed. I don't care if some other device "does it better" as that same device isn't going to do what I originally bought a PSP for... playing games.

I don't see what is so difficult about using the PSP as a mini-media center. Do you really find it to be that challenging? Using MP3s is pretty easy, for example, as I could easily use the same folder hierarchy in use on my PC. When using other dedicated MP3 players, I was always forced to rely on tag information and could not move folders around easily. I would still stick with my HDD based player for most music listening, but if I had my PSP handy and felt like listening to music...it would not be difficult to use it for that purpose. I'm not going to carry around a dedicated MP3 player, PSP, and cellphone. I can handle the phone and one other device. If I have the PSP with me, I have music along with many other features.

Video playback is just fine as well. Using a simple program like 3GP allows for quick drag and drop conversion to PSP format which I can simply throw into a folder on the Duo. I could throw a couple TV shows on there easily and watch them if I had the chance. The image quality is great and it is convenient. I wouldn't want to carry around a dedicated player at all, in this case. Watching video is great as an extra, but isn't something I'd need an exclusive device for.

I just don't see why you are being so harsh on the features. What is it about them that is so terrible?

 

[Barnimal]

DS=childs toy
PSP=lifestyle electronic device.

i'd rather live the psp lifestyle

 

[drohne]

Sony didn't develop Gunner's Heaven, MediaVision did. They also worked on Wild Arms and Astal iirc.

i've heard that the gunner's heaven team went on to become contrail and developed the wild arms games. though i don't know if contrail is an internal sony developer anyway.

 

[TekunoRobby]

DS=childs toy
PSP=lifestyle electronic device.

i'd rather live the psp lifestyle

While I respect the attempt at doing a comparison you need something with more pizzazz. Check out this one and tell me what you think.

DS - Old and busted
PSP - New hotness

It's both cliché, comical, and instantly understood although yours gave a delightful spike. It was like a quiet zing that creeps up on the reader and hits them when they read the last part.

 

[borghe]

like I said, as an MP3 player, well, right off the bat the thing is huge.. especially in light of the newest ipods, the thing is huge. it is heavy. I mean I seriously wouldn't even consider going jogging with the thing.. sure it is fine to put in your backpack on the subway or bus and listen to it that way, but hardly as versatile as an mp3 player in that respect.

being able to drop your existing hierarchy is only true to an extent. You can't have subdirectories of subdirectories, you can't have playlists in the root MUSIC folder, and umm.. I think that is all.. but hardly just dropping your existing dir from your PC on to the unit, unless you coincidentally kept all of your tunes in that structure.

those are really my only complaints for the MP3 portion, but considering you can get flash based MP3 players that have fewer limitations for under $100, it is a shame Sony left that stuff out (though in theory it could be added in firmware, well, except for the size).

the video on the other hand. The big thing is the whole resolution thing. you have to redo any video you download because it needs to be an MP4 container, needs AAC audio, and needs to be at a set resolution. then on top of that the 4.3 inch screen is even smaller when taking into account a 4:3 show, and you are limited to a 1GB memstick, and that is only after dishing out $130 for one. On the other hand you can get the Initial IDM-750DX with a 7" screen, plays MPEG4 off of DVDs, and has virtually no resolution limitations, not to mention plays AVI, MP3 audio tracks in AVI, etc..

As a jack of all trades unit it might be fine.. but that is what it is.. a jack of all trades unit. if I was going somewhere I knew I wanted to watch video, I would take a portable MPEG4 player with me. if I knew I was going somewhere where I wanted to listen to MP3's, I would take an MP3 player. If I happened to have neither around and only the PSP, I would just use it to play games.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

That's it.

DS Audience

PSP Audience

 

[borghe]

That's it.

DS Audience

PSP Audience

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[SolidSnakex]

That's it.

DS Audience

Isn't that the Tron guy?

 

[jarrod]

i've heard that the gunner's heaven team went on to become contrail and developed the wild arms games. though i don't know if contrail is an internal sony developer anyway.

Contrail was an internal SCEI team (set up specifically for RPG development iirc) but they've been disbanded for a few years now. They're entirely seperate from MediaVision though from what I understand, their only connection was they they helped with the development of Wild Arms 2.

MediaVision (founded in 1993)
-Crime Crackers (PlayStation) 1994
-Gunner's Heaven (PlayStation) 1995
-Astal (Saturn) 1995 co-developed with Sega
-Wild Arms (PlayStation) 1996
-Crime Crackers 2 (PlayStation) 1997
-Wild Arms 2 (PlayStation) 1999 co-developed with Contrial
-Sneakers (Xbox) 2002
-Wild Arms 3 (PlayStation 2) 2002
-Wild Arms: Alter Code F (PlayStation 2) 2003
-Wild Arms 4 (PlayStation 2) 2005

Contrail (founded in 1998?)
-Legend of Legaia (PlayStation) 1999
-Tamago de Pazuru (PlayStation) 1999
-Wild Arms 2 (PlayStation) 1999 co-developed with MediaVision
-Ore no Shikabane o Koete Yuke (PlayStation) 1999
-Alundra 2 (PlayStation) 1999 co-developed with Matrix Software
-Legalia II: Duel Saga (PlayStation 2) 2001

 

[TekunoRobby]

Isn't that the Tron guy?

Yep, there are a bunch of other pics that were all pilfered from that guy's website.

I love you jarrod and drohne, your conversation was actually pretty damn productive and I learned something new. I remember playing Gunner's Heaven.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Well, let's take a look at what's on both machines right now...
...
...looks rather even I'd say.

True enough. I'm tweaking Borg, who keeps beating the "ports!" button on his controller, as if the DS doesn't have plenty of them.

 

[TekunoRobby]

:lol :lol :lol

I never thought I'd see that picture again! I did that really quickly (literally under 2 minutes) for a follow up gag I saw on the forum. Sadly I forgot what the original intent was.

 

[dark10x]

but hardly just dropping your existing dir from your PC on to the unit, unless you coincidentally kept all of your tunes in that structure.

I do, actually. I have an entire 120gb HDD dedicated to MP3s. The root of that drive is just a massive list of folder and I actually DO use XP's built in functions for queuing and playing music (works really well). Folders within folders are a problem, though, but nothing I can easily work around.

Like I said, I have two other MP3 players (an HDD player and a very tiny flash player). They both serve their functions when I need them. I won't be bringing a PSP with me while jogging or working out at the gym, for example. However, if I have the PSP on me, I appreciate having access to some MP3s.

Video playback still isn't a problem for me. The stuff I'd want to watch is typically already on my PC in some format. I just drag it to 3GP and place the converted file on the PSP. Piece of cake. It's a great feature to have access to, but is not something I would buy a device for.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

where the hell did I say wipeout was a port?

my god, have gamers become that desperate that they are qualifying PSP games as wholly new games instead of ports with a few additions added here and there.. I'll give you guys Lumines and MGA.. I mean those are straight up new games.. but everything else??? lol..

That was in response to posts *about* Wipeout.

 

[kaching]

but home theater is worth it.. and this isn't a home theater bashing thread now is it

I have no desire to bash either. I find it's better to bash people's inconsistent and uninformed opinions

I will just point out that the initial dvd player can do all of that but play games for $200 AND has a 7" screen. Not to mention the player's "storage" is 4.7GB DVD's (8.5GB if DL discs ever come down in price). Granted it likely sucks as a MP3 player as well, but I think it would be hard to argue the PSP a better video player than that.

Yes, do all but play games...and run other apps like a web browser...and offer Wifi connectivity to the Internet or other PSPs...and decode MPEG4 video to maximize benefit of video storage space...and offer native JPEG playback...and come with an OS that can be updated...

What's the point of arguing if its a better video player than the PSP if you aren't doing a complete comparison of feature sets? If your interest is *strictly* portable video, I don't think anyone here would recommend a PSP over a dedicated portable DVD player. You've accused others of constructing strawman arguments and yet that's all you're doing here.

are we talking about adjusted for inflation? if so you might be right.. but actual cash money dollars you spent a lot less on average during the 16-bit era than now (PSP included, not DS/GBA/C)

Actual cash dollars, most 16-bit games came out at $50-$70, USD.

But anyone who tells me how great the videos or an MP3 player it is I will certainly but out a bunch of links to devices that can do the jobs much better.

Sorry, but considering your complaints about your personal problems with handheld videos/gaming you mentioned in the PSP thread, I have a hard time taking at face valuen that you've really done a lot of considered, hands-on analysis of the options.

but don't act like it is the end all be all way to do such things (not you personally but in general).

By the same token, don't claim it absolutely sucks to do such things just to counter these people (yes you personally)

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

IMHO (and this isn't trolling), the only reason to have issues with the DS is the absolute lack of games. It has some great games (Mario 64, FTM, WW, YT&G) but not many. Anyone who has problems with the system based on that issue has a valid point..

Ding!

but these graphic whores who are ripping on the DS just because of the PSP's graphics capabilities (graphics do not a good game make), or screen size (yes it may be 33% bigger, but the reality of it is being an inch bigger.. an inch...) are just delusional. The DS is capable of great games (just as the PSP is) and what is funny is that I believe many people in this thread seriously take issue with the DS because of it's lack of graphical prowess.. that's just sad.

IAWT Part. Some other thread was nothing but people ripping on NFS DS. As if the graphics made the gameplay.

 

[DarienA]

if I was going somewhere I knew I wanted to watch video, I would take a portable MPEG4 player with me. if I knew I was going somewhere where I wanted to listen to MP3's, I would take an MP3 player. If I happened to have neither around and only the PSP, I would just use it to play games.

I'm assuming in each of the above situations you meant to add the word just... like if you just wanted to watch video or just wanted to listen to MP3's... to which I give you the response of... Duh.

 

[Mrbob]

That's it.

DS Audience

PSP Audience

:lol :lol

That is pretty good, but I think this more aptly describes the two portables!

DS:

PSP:

 

[borghe]

I'm assuming in each of the above situations you meant to add the word just... like if you just wanted to watch video or just wanted to listen to MP3's... to which I give you the response of... Duh.

no, I did not mean to add just.. an MP3 player is like what.. 3-4 inches by 2-3 inches and weighs like 6 ounces? a portable DVD player like the initial is what... maybe 8"x5" and under 2lbs... so no.. I didn't mean just. I meant literally what I said. if I knew there was a chance I was going to watch a movie somewhere (camping, plane, car ride) I would take the initial or archos or whatever with me. if I knew I was going to be listening to lots of music I would take an MP3 player along. if I knew I wanted to play some games I would likely bring along both the DS and PSP. And if all I had on me was a PSP, no, I wouldn't at all say "Well cool, now I can listen to some music or watch some movies." I would play games on it.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

:lol

Okay, a few more:

 

[Gek54]

but these graphic whores who are ripping on the DS just because of the PSP's graphics capabilities (graphics do not a good game make), or screen size (yes it may be 33% bigger, but the reality of it is being an inch bigger.. an inch...) are just delusional. The DS is capable of great games (just as the PSP is) and what is funny is that I believe many people in this thread seriously take issue with the DS because of it's lack of graphical prowess.. that's just sad.

Its like argueing for the N64 in saying that it is still capable of making good games in light of all the PS2's power. I am not saying the N64 would not still be capable of good game play but come on, who would be 'dilusional' enough to prefer the N64 over the PS2.

Graphics are not the only area where the DS fails, you are able to DO alot more in PSP games.

 

[TekunoRobby]

Seeing that picture is always suck a shame,
that's $250 down the drain.

To be killed so harshly in it's prime,
the system just came out, what a crime.

 

[borghe]

If your interest is *strictly* portable video, I don't think anyone here would recommend a PSP over a dedicated portable DVD player. You've accused others of constructing strawman arguments and yet that's all you're doing here.

sigh... ok, I'll sum it up for you. you ask someone what is so great about the PSP. They come back and tell you it can play video. you know that there are dozens of devices out there that can do a better job of playing video so mention it. people then attack you and say but that stuff can't play games. so great, playing games on the unit is wonderful, but games isn't what you just told me when I asked you what was so great about it.

Actual cash dollars, most 16-bit games came out at $50-$70, USD.

bullshit. I have been first week in on every console release since the master system. at no point in any system's history up to the PSX was a "typical" game priced at $50 or more. The closest you can get is the very end of the SNES' lifespan when quite a few games were released on 32Mb carts. but we are talking for less than a year tops IIRC. of course there are many games in the generation that were released for that price, but the typical game at the time was usually not over $40.

Sorry, but considering your complaints about your personal problems with handheld videos/gaming you mentioned in the PSP thread, I have a hard time taking at face valuen that you've really done a lot of considered, hands-on analysis of the options.

lol.. you're kidding right? I manage the WAN for a company that has over twenty offices located in 5 different countries.. I know a bit about travel and needing to keep yourself busy on it. I also travel and spend my weeks of vacation in other places... finally, watching a 6"+ screen while sitting back or chilling and listening to some tunes through headphones is entirely different than playing a handheld. hell, playing a console is entirely different than watching TV. apples to oranges.

By the same token, don't claim it absolutely sucks to do such things just to counter these people (yes you personally)

but it does. if it isn't good, then it sucks, right?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Why are you basing your own opinion on what *anybody* says is great about a PSP?

And for that matter-- that isn't why *I* say PSP is great, if you're asking. It's a beautiful screen, integrated wireless gaming and a Sony-backed catalog of games, already including sequels to a couple of my favorites and the best new puzzle game I've played in a couple years.

How's that?

The video is an interesting bonus, at best.

 

[chespace]

This thread is cracking me up. Keep it up

Here is a fact: I've not touched my PSP for 2 days now, thanks to Kirby DS. Also, I'm going to go to EB and get caught up on the last two Kirby adventures I missed on GBA (dreamland and mirror)... which I'm sure will get plenty of play on my DS.

Anything else I should get on GBA/DS while I'm at it?

 

[borghe]

Its like argueing for the N64 in saying that it is still capable of making good games in light of all the PS2's power. I am not saying the N64 would not still be capable of good game play but come on, who would be 'dilusional' enough to prefer the N64 over the PS2.

but it isn't n64 to ps2 (aka home consoles with similar control and display options). It is a DS, aka two screens, one touch screen, builtin microphone, to the PSP, which from a game purpose is basically a shrunk down PS1.75 minus the good analog controls. Not to mention from the NFSU DS thread, you can see that while the PSP is better graphically, it is possible for the DS to push out some decent visuals. Also, on the PSP you will never see FTM, WWT, YT&G, Kirby Touched, etc.

Graphics are not the only area where the DS fails, you are able to DO alot more in PSP games.

grats. you just won the award for most blatantly unsubstantiated post of the year (oh wait, no, I might still hold that title)... lol.. so aside from graphics, what else can you do in a PSP game..?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Just to interject some thoughts on the PSP as a media player thing. I own the PSP and an Archos AV420. Both are great at what they do. The Archos doesn't play games at all, and is a great portable media player, and the PSP is a great game machine with some decent media player abilities.

When it comes to playing videos, the PSP has that awesome screen going for it. It's big, bright and wide screen, although the wide screen thing doesn't matter as much to me on these types of devices.

On the other hand, the Archos has a 20 GB hard drive, a nice screen, although not near as high quality as the PSP, and the ability to record tv shows/movies/video tapes/dvd's directly to it. It can also be hooked up to a TV to watch the recorded files. It can also, hook up to a PC to move files to it just like the PSP and works as a very nice MP3 player, photo viewer, and voice recorder. I got mine online for $430, which is not that much more then a PSP and a 1 Gig card. Now some people have said that a 1 GB card is more then they ever need, but I keep a few movies on my Archos at all times in addition to the tv shows and movies that come and go, so for me the 20 GB's is well worth it.

Just some thoughs. We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...

 

[explodet]

Well, right now you can play online on the PSP.
If you can get it to work properly, I hear it's great.

 

[borghe]

Why are you basing your own opinion on what *anybody* says is great about a PSP?

And for that matter-- that isn't why *I* say PSP is great, if you're asking. It's a beautiful screen, integrated wireless gaming and a Sony-backed catalog of games, already including sequels to a couple of my favorites and the best new puzzle game I've played in a couple years.

How's that?

The video is an interesting bonus, at best.

that's cool.. I would say I agree with it.. even the part about the video being interesting, even if not entirely useful.

 

[TekunoRobby]

Anything else I should get on GBA/DS while I'm at it?

Fire Emblem and the Advance Wars series of games are AMAZING.

Minish Cap is a damn good Link game if you're into those adventures and FF I & II are awesome ports but only if you enjoy really old-school RPGs.

Anything you might be thinking or any specific genres you're particularly enamored with?

 

[explodet]

If you don't play with your PSP every day, it starts to lose its powers - soon it'll start looking like a Lynx.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

This thread is cracking me up. Keep it up

Here is a fact: I've not touched my PSP for 2 days now, thanks to Kirby DS. Also, I'm going to go to EB and get caught up on the last two Kirby adventures I missed on GBA (dreamland and mirror)... which I'm sure will get plenty of play on my DS.

Anything else I should get on GBA/DS while I'm at it?

Double Dragon Advance!
River City Ransom!
Bubble Bobble: Old and New!
Advance Guardian Heroes!
Astro Boy: The Omega Factor!
Klonoa 2!

 

[chespace]

Fire Emblem and the Advance Wars series of games are AMAZING.

Minish Cap is a damn good Link game if you're into those adventures and FF I & II are awesome ports but only if you enjoy really old-school RPGs.

Anything you might be thinking or any specific genres you're particularly enamored with?

I've already played the soul out of the Advance Wars series... and after MGA, I think I'll take a breather from heavy tactics action from the likes of Fire Emblem.

Hmm, mostly looking for action games, I guess. I dunno, or sleepers I might have missed, etc. I've got all this money on my EB card... if I don't spend it on something, I'm afraid I might end up buying a U.S. PSP.