DS VS PSP

I just treat handhelds like little consoles, ever since the GBA at least.

Unless you're going to be anal about the A/V experience on the whole, the newer set of handhelds really raised the bar in terms of software.

I have no qualms against skipping a night of consolin' to play some Fire Emblem or Metal Gear Acid or whatnot.

Very much relaxing to play laying on the couch, or on the porch when the weather is nice too, odd as it sounds. It's also a nice alternative. being able to play while reading GAF and avoiding work I've brought home :D

I will get the extra use out of the PSP in the future though, as I have no MP3 player, or other little nifty gadgets.

I'm really not interested in the current line of DS software, 'cept Mario 64, which is my most disliked Mario game to be honest. I'd rather plunk down (which I have, actually) on Ape Escape PSP to get my platformer fix on a system I already own.

But I will buy one in the future however, I'm sure it sounds kooky to some folks to own two handhelds. But with taking in my tastes as lined above with the fact that DS and PSP are polar opposites of one another makes it work well. Hard to resist Kirby, Advance Wars, FF3 and the other future junk anyhow.

Borghe: You've officially went off the deep end, guy.
 
chespace said:
Hmm, mostly looking for action games, I guess. I dunno, or sleepers I might have missed, etc. I've got all this money on my EB card... if I don't spend it on something, I'm afraid I might end up buying a U.S. PSP.
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That list SonicMegaDrive posted is GOLD.

I'll add Ninja Five-0, you might be able to find it. Biggest sleeper on the GBA but it's akin to an arcade game. Lacking in variety and length but that's balanced out with deep Gameplay and difficulty.

Listed in order of preference (first I like the most):
Astro Boy: The Omega Factor
Ninja Five-0
Bubble Bobble: Old and New
River City Ransom
Klonoa 2
Advance Guardian Heroes
Double Dragon Advance

Now I didn't play Double Dragon but I did hear good things about it. Advance Guardian Heroes was also a decent game but it pales in comparison to it's predecessor not to mention the atrocious slow down.

Hopefully with the release of the PSP used and new prices for GBA games will drop, there's a ton of quality portable games on the little machine but paying the same amount as a DS or close to the same with a PSP game is a bit hard to swallow now.

EDIT: Borghe's list is also pretty damn good. Usually the top tier Nintendo and third party games are always good bets. The Castlevania's (Aria is by far the best) the MegaMan Zero's (again the latest one is the best), etc. etc.
 
Just avoid Jarrod and his little Car Battler Joe crew. Jesus Christ that game sucks, I have no idea what some of the folks around here see in it.
 
chespace said:
I've already played the soul out of the Advance Wars series... and after MGA, I think I'll take a breather from heavy tactics action from the likes of Fire Emblem.

Hmm, mostly looking for action games, I guess. I dunno, or sleepers I might have missed, etc. I've got all this money on my EB card... if I don't spend it on something, I'm afraid I might end up buying a U.S. PSP.
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action games:

any of the castlevanias
super ghouls and ghosts
either of the metal slugs
either of the metroids
mario tennis (not action but fast paced and insanely fun)
astro boy
boktai
ninja five-o
any of the megaman zero's

also, fire emblem doesn't IMHO play like a typical strategy.. certainly not AW. the levels are larger and your units (who are all individuals) are a lot tighter.. it plays almost more like a turn based rpg sort of... anyway, not as strategy intense IMHO as AW, FFTA, or TO.
 
chespace said:
I've already played the soul out of the Advance Wars series... and after MGA, I think I'll take a breather from heavy tactics action from the likes of Fire Emblem.

Hmm, mostly looking for action games, I guess. I dunno, or sleepers I might have missed, etc. I've got all this money on my EB card... if I don't spend it on something, I'm afraid I might end up buying a U.S. PSP.
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Sorry to sound like a pain, but I never thought I would get into Fire Emblem. But the day I traded in Ping Pals (heh, yeah. Sis bought it for me as a Christmas presdent), I bought Fire Emblem... and haven't looked back since.

Whenever you can though really, keep it in the back of your mind. Fire Emblem ROCKS, mang! Just don't lose your characters. ;)
 
TekunoRobby said:
Fire Emblem and the Advance Wars series of games are AMAZING.

Minish Cap is a damn good Link game if you're into those adventures and FF I & II are awesome ports but only if you enjoy really old-school RPGs.

Anything you might be thinking or any specific genres you're particularly enamored with?
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Minish Cap = my first and only GBA game. DSowned.
 
jarrod said:
Contrail was an internal SCEI team (set up specifically for RPG development iirc) but they've been disbanded for a few years now. They're entirely seperate from MediaVision though from what I understand, their only connection was they they helped with the development of Wild Arms 2.

MediaVision (founded in 1993)
-Crime Crackers (PlayStation) 1994
-Gunner's Heaven (PlayStation) 1995
-Astal (Saturn) 1995 co-developed with Sega
-Wild Arms (PlayStation) 1996
-Crime Crackers 2 (PlayStation) 1997
-Wild Arms 2 (PlayStation) 1999 co-developed with Contrial
-Sneakers (Xbox) 2002
-Wild Arms 3 (PlayStation 2) 2002
-Wild Arms: Alter Code F (PlayStation 2) 2003
-Wild Arms 4 (PlayStation 2) 2005

Contrail (founded in 1998?)
-Legend of Legaia (PlayStation) 1999
-Tamago de Pazuru (PlayStation) 1999
-Wild Arms 2 (PlayStation) 1999 co-developed with MediaVision
-Ore no Shikabane o Koete Yuke (PlayStation) 1999
-Alundra 2 (PlayStation) 1999 co-developed with Matrix Software
-Legalia II: Duel Saga (PlayStation 2) 2001
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i've probably just confused mediavision and contrail. thanks. some of the stuff you know about game developers! interesting to know that mediavision collaborated on astal.
 
Alex said:
Just avoid Jarrod and his little Car Battler Joe crew. Jesus Christ that game sucks, I have no idea what some of the folks around here see in it.
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It's an okay time waster.. and it's far from the worst thing Yuzo's touched. :P

There's better GBA ARPGs out there for sure, but CBJ was pretty unique. It's better than CIMA at least.
 
Hmm Ninja Five-O sounds intriguing. I'd never even heard of it. :) I'll get that today if I can.

But yeah, I've played a lot of the GBA mainstays... just haven't really touched it since 2003 (except for a few exceptions, mainly first party stuff, FFTA, Metal Slug, AW2).

River City Ransom = hella overrated or something, even though I love the Kunio games and Technos. (Don't make me start a Technos appreciation thread).

Oh, and yeah, I also played the Christ out of the Treasure games on GBA as well.

Grr, looks like I'll have to get Fire Emblem too. If it's like X-Com meets fantasy bullshit, I'm down.
 
Since this thread is quickly deteriorating(Or is it....evolving?) into a GBA thread, here are some more goodies for the GBA:

Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts!
Street Fighter Alpha 3!
Final Fantasy I&II!
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow(Ah, everybody has this already)
Better yet: Castlevania: NES Series
Contra Advance!(underrated)
Kirby and the Amazing Mirror!
Gekido Advance!
Final Fight One!
Gradius Galaxies!(Sadly, this is the best shooter I can think of. Somebody prove me wrong)
Boktai 2!
Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo!(Flawed, but still good)

Edit: Just though of another worthwhile Shooter - Iridion II!
 
ninja five-o is amazing. it was by far my favorite gba game until astro boy and agh. it does the arcade shinobi formula better than either of the arcade shinobis, and tosses in a terrific freeform grappling hook. it was never easy to find though, and it's been years since its release. download a rom if you must, but PLAY IT.
 
Fire Emblem is a pretty typical Japanese SRPG. It's just done with a lot more grace than most of the genre.

Especially in key aspects like scenarios, balance, polished mechanics and solid difficulty with good risk vs. reward.

It's fairly simplistic, but what's there is really good and works perfectly. Nothing really bogs it down like the other broken Gameboy SRPG's (FFTA, TO:KoL).

For the cherry on top, the localization is absolutely fan-fucking-tastic as well.
 
This thread does not meet the Drinky Crow IFTE standard for Nintendo DS versus PSP content.

Drinky Crow will continue to assert that the Nintendo DS is underpowered, badly-designed novelty hardware in other, more appropriate threads. Drinky Crow will also continue to badger, berate, and generally abuse any manchild interested in Nintendogs, largely for their own good. Drinky Crow is both wise and benevolent.

That is all.
 
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borghe said:
sigh... ok, I'll sum it up for you.
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And yet what follows is a hypothetical, not a summation. So what happens if you ask someone what's so great about the PSP and they say, it's great because it plays games, movies, music and displays images?

bullshit. I have been first week in on every console release since the master system.
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As have I. There were certainly some games that came out for less than $50 in the 16-bit days, but that wasn't the norm. I recall a lot more $59.99 prices than anything else. But I've been unable to find any legit source that could validate that so I can only hope some other GAFers could chime in here to help out, one way or the other.

lol.. you're kidding right? I manage the WAN for a company that has over twenty offices located in 5 different countries.. I know a bit about travel and needing to keep yourself busy on it. I also travel and spend my weeks of vacation in other places...
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Great, so you travel. How does that necessarily mean that you keep yourself busy by using handheld electronics and so therefore know more about the topic than your recent arguments let on?

but it does. if it isn't good, then it sucks, right?
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There's no way you can objectively say that.
 
Father_Brain said:
I haven't played it, so I can't say how accurate this review is, but:
http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/536/536366p1.html
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We may never know how many good games the GBA really has because of all the games that have a cartoon character or a liscense attatched. There's countless Spongebob, Rocket Power, Mickey Mouse, Shrek, Scooby-Doo, Power Ranger, other kids crap games for the system. There's bound to be a few gems in there somewhere. If only somebody were willing to sit down and play them all...
 
ehh.. trolling was fun, but I am not going to participate in any more subjective stuff.. going home now...

as for the only objective part of our last bickering.... wow... wtf? I did a google newsgroup search of genesis from 1989 and you are right.. I don't know what fucks with me more, that I actually owned all of those games or that I had such a poor concept of money that I didn't think anything of owning all of those games..

apparently most genesis games at launch were $50.. I remember the system being IIRC $189 when I bought it. I thought games were $30-40 but I guess I was thinking back to 8-bit days.. wow.. and to think I was only 14 years old and had the system, Last Battle (uggh), Thunderforce 2, Super Hang-on, and Ghouls and Ghosts. I know Forgotten Worlds and Tommy Lasorda Baseball were also in there somewhere but don't remember how close they were to launch....

I guess I really had no concept of what I was paying for that shit. ah the wonders of being a kid with 100% disposable income.. oh well... yeah, you were right I guess.
 
I just want someone to explain to me how the handheld market can support a 300 dollar device that plays games that cost 50 bucks a pop. Its not something you buy for children, its not something you would ever go out and pick up just for a long trip.
 
I was especially excited about the touchscreen in the DS. But there aren't any games that really utilize the touch screen, so wtf. Not only is the PSP a slick looking device, it has superior graphics and a superior game library than the DS (oh please, GBA compatibility is irrelevant).

To be quite honest, there really is no comparing the two at all.
 
Yeah, the 6 Genesis launch titles were Thunder Force II, Last Battle, Space Harrier, Tommy Lasorda Baseball, Altered Beast, and Super Thunder Blade.

Super Hang-On and Ghouls 'n Ghosts were released right before Christmas, and Forgotten Worlds was January or Feburary of 1990.
 
TheDuce22 said:
I just want someone to explain to me how the handheld market can support a 300 dollar device that plays games that cost 50 bucks a pop. Its not something you buy for children, its not something you would ever go out and pick up just for a long trip.
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How about a $200 dollar device with games costing $40 a pop?

Becuase that's what it will be as soon as the early adopters are done.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
How about a $200 dollar device with games costing $40 a pop?

Becuase that's what it will be as soon as the early adopters are done.
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Oh, yeah! I'll be the first one in line for a PSP then! $179 sounds a lot better, though.
 
I am not saying the N64 would not still be capable of good game play but come on, who would be 'dilusional' enough to prefer the N64 over the PS2.
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You're forgetting that you all LOVE the ps2, yet it has the least graphics power out of the 3 consoles this generation.
 
Link1110 said:
You're forgetting that you all LOVE the ps2, yet it has the least graphics power out of the 3 consoles this generation.
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There's a *slightly* smaller gap here: PS2 < Xbox
than here:
N64 < PS2


Not to mention that power != graphics. I've already said that the graphics of the DS don't turn me off. But it also can't run a GTA game, and that *does* turn me off.
 
Last Wednesday, my choice would have been, "Oh my gog, DS is teh roxx0rz!" or something to that extent.

This week though, PSP. No comparison. Ridge Racer seals the deal for me. I love my PSP. My DS will be for the Nintendo exclusives.
 
uhh, I really like my ds and have no intention of picking up a PSP, probably ever.

I have 5 real reasons

1. Memory sticks, fuck their high prices right up their ass
2. Battery life. frankly it bugs me having to recharge my ds every 10 hours so.....
3. While the PSP screen far and away blows the ds out of the water, I really wanted a handheld for 2d games, the drought doesn't bother me as yoshi and mario ds more than take up my handheld time (and after I tire of that I will pick up wario).
4. Movies etc. fuck that I will watch them in my home. I really identify with reggies "I have an ipod for music" etc sentiments.
5. I like the dual screen touch screen stylus etc innovations, I think it has potential and I think Nintendo will bring out some really kickass stuff for it.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Street Fighter, biatch. I think the full quote is: "But don't forget, there are many guys like you all over the world!"
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Whoa! thanks for posting that! Definitely brought me back to the dark dank days of Golfland in Sunnyvale back in summer of '86 when I was obsessed with SF1 (with the huge punch/kick buttons and all).

Damn, listen to that motherfucker. I want to meet the guy whose voice is in this sample. Awesome Engrish.
 
I think it was released in 1987.
I used to frequent a lot of arcades back in the day, but I never was lucky enough to stumble across the original SF until after SFII was released.

I'm sure in 1987, the game looked and played great.
 
So what exactly are the technical specs for the DS? Only thing I've seen is the screen resolution. How many sprites can it handle, what size of sprites, effects (scaling, rotation), how many background layers, etc. Also, does the DS have dedicated sound hardware? How many channels and what sort of effects?

Is Klonoa 2 anything like Empire of Dreams? Because that game sucked ass.

As for DS vs. PSP: I'll probably get a DS someday because I have a ton of GBA games that I love, which should look better on the DS screen (not to mention that I hope the DS form factor is easier on my hands, the SP is too damn small). I am also interested in the touch screen/stylus functionality, since some of the games utilizing that sound intriguing. There are also a lot more announced games for the DS that interest me compared to the PSP. The DS would have to get a lot cheaper (under $100) before I'll get one though. The PSP is just too expensive for me right now, plus there isn't much in the current or future lineup (that we know of) that catches my attention.
 
Drinky Crow said:
This thread does not meet the Drinky Crow IFTE standard for Nintendo DS versus PSP content.

Drinky Crow will continue to assert that the Nintendo DS is underpowered, badly-designed novelty hardware in other, more appropriate threads. Drinky Crow will also continue to badger, berate, and generally abuse any manchild interested in Nintendogs, largely for their own good. Drinky Crow is both wise and benevolent.

That is all.
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Drink Crow, GAF's Bob Dole
 
if I don't spend it on something, I'm afraid I might end up buying a U.S. PSP.
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Why do you need to buy a US version of either handheld when you got both and they are region lockout free?
 
Played them all...

SP = Damn good! Has a ton of awesome software. Brilliant design, nice and compact, easy to carry around. Incredible battery life. Nice d-pad and buttons. Good, solid, well built and sturdy. Library of games second to none. Tons of peripherals. PSP will of course eventually top it though, but holds it's own and is currently the best handheld of all time.

The PSP = WOW! Love it! Awesome! Yadda yadda yadda, etc. etc. etc. Needs more games, but they will come. Price is too high but of course it will drop. The future is incredible for it though, but it's not prime time yet.

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infinity
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DS = Shit. Terrible design. Super small shitty d-pad and buttons. Waste of money having two screens. Large and ugly casing. Underpowered for next gen handheld. List of games for it suck complete ass and has already been passed by PSP despite being out longer. The best games for it are GBA games sadly.

All IMO of course, so, no hard feelings.
 
I will buy a psp IF you can top this list:

Armored Core
Advance Wars DS
Age of Empires 2
Animal Crossing DS
Bust a Move DS
Bubble Bobble revolution
Boktai DS
Baten Kaitos
Castlevania DS
Dragon Quest Monsters
FF3
FF:CC
Goemon
Harvest Moon
Jump Super Stars
Touch Kirby
Legend of the River king
Mario kart DS
Meteos
Pac Pix
Pac'n'Roll
Phantasy Star online DS
Pokemon
Secret of Mana
Shin Megami Tensei
Snowboard kids DS
Soul Calibur DS
Super Monkey Ball DS
Slime Dragon Quest
Legend of Zelda DS
Vandal Hearts
Viewtiful Joe DS
Winning Soccer Eleven
EDIT: Lunar
Katamari Damacy
Xenosaga


:( Damn DS and its games. :/
 
^I'd buy almost all of what's on that list and a few other ones like Ultimate Card/Brain games, Xenosaga..

And PSO, Soul Calibur, and Monkey Ball aren't official... or are they?
 
Monk's list is almost the same as my list... I'd cut a few games... but not too many
 
Shinoobi said:
^I'd buy almost all of what's on that list and a few other ones like Ultimate Card/Brain games, Xenosaga..

And PSO, Soul Calibur, and Monkey Ball aren't official... or are they?
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I am not sure.

I got the game list from:
http://www.n-next.com/


Jarrod, DO YOUR THING HANDHELD EMPEROR!
 
A handheld game system released with the latest in mobile technology would be welcomed. Using MBX, a system could've been released in early 2004 worldwide for under US$150 with better-than Dreamcast capabilities and a top quality screen. In 2006, an affordable portable might have VS/PS 2.0+ capabilities from an MBX2.
 
They both have their fare share of flaws. Pixelly low quality 3D isn't excusable. Loading times suck for portables now matter how you spin it. Buttons are small on DS. Buttons are kinda mushy and the shoulder buttons are crap on PSP. Analog nub sucks ass. Ghosting on PSP. Small dim screens on DS with small viewing angle. Spendy games. Not many games.

They are both solid systems and will have awesome respective libraries when all is said and done. I just don't understand the need for troll jerkoff threads. Fuck its like everyone here regresses into little kids when they get a portable in their hands. :lol
 
captainbiotch said:
They both have their fare share of flaws. Pixelly low quality 3D isn't excusable. Loading times suck for portables now matter how you spin it. Buttons are small on DS. Buttons are kinda mushy and the shoulder buttons are crap on PSP. Analog nub sucks ass. Ghosting on PSP. Small dim screens on DS with small viewing angle. Spendy games. Not many games.

They are both solid systems and will have awesome respective libraries when all is said and done. I just don't understand the need for troll jerkoff threads. Fuck its like everyone here regresses into little kids when they get a portable in their hands. :lol
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But it's boring to just accept that they both rule. :(
 
Shinoobi said:
And PSO, Soul Calibur, and Monkey Ball aren't official... or are they?
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They're all rumors right now. The only portable Naka's specifically mentioned that he's interested in bringing PSO too is the PSP though.
 
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