i like the way the skill menu looks now although it could be a problem when looking at multiple skills quickly depending on how fast it is
i would rather they port it to PC than to ps4
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Dust 514 Open Beta Discussion/Impressions
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i like the way the skill menu looks now although it could be a problem when looking at multiple skills quickly depending on how fast it is
i would rather they port it to PC than to ps4
DiscoShark
Banned
What a great time to jump back into the game. Is there any GAF centered Corporation at this point or are we just more or less scattered to the wind? I got an invite the other day to get into ZionTCD but they seem to have a bit of an ... infamous reputation amongst the forum goers and general populace in the game.
It's nice to see that the transition to Open Beta seems to have fixed all those issues with the game crashing with earlier builds of the game.
Niiiice. Seems like the star alligned this last weekend. My PS3 controller's been broken for the last few months so I've been sitting on my passive SP gain all this time. Just got a replacement and went wild with the 4m ISK and 3m SP. I didn't really stray too much away from my previous builds (did a lot of experimentation back in closed beta) but it sure was satisfying to get some solid LAV and Militia HAV / Dropship stuff out of the way.
I also decided to try to deck out a ridiculous Logistics Dropsuit fitting, 300ish shields / 200ish armor equipped with an advanced assault rifle ... not sure if I'm gonna drop the points to do that again. Costs about 80k to throw down on the battlefield and I seem to always do better with my 4k modified Assault Frontline equipped with a Militia Shotgun and Nanite Injector. Ah, Shotgun, the great equalizer on the battlefield. Give me 2-3 hits and it won't matter how much you put down on your dropsuit.
A well needed change. Can't wait.
It's nice to see that the transition to Open Beta seems to have fixed all those issues with the game crashing with earlier builds of the game.
Niiiice. Seems like the star alligned this last weekend. My PS3 controller's been broken for the last few months so I've been sitting on my passive SP gain all this time. Just got a replacement and went wild with the 4m ISK and 3m SP. I didn't really stray too much away from my previous builds (did a lot of experimentation back in closed beta) but it sure was satisfying to get some solid LAV and Militia HAV / Dropship stuff out of the way.
I also decided to try to deck out a ridiculous Logistics Dropsuit fitting, 300ish shields / 200ish armor equipped with an advanced assault rifle ... not sure if I'm gonna drop the points to do that again. Costs about 80k to throw down on the battlefield and I seem to always do better with my 4k modified Assault Frontline equipped with a Militia Shotgun and Nanite Injector. Ah, Shotgun, the great equalizer on the battlefield. Give me 2-3 hits and it won't matter how much you put down on your dropsuit.
A well needed change. Can't wait.
OgTheClever
Member
The Dust keynote at the EVE fanfest is starting in 10 minutes. We should get some pretty good info about Uprising and maybe further in the future of Dust as well.
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
PS4 version? PS4 version (hopefully!).
DiscoShark
Banned
Here's hoping they buff Small Missile turrets again or at least announce new turret and vehicle types to play around with.
I found out the hard way that CCP basically made LAVs and Dropships useless this time around ...
OgTheClever
Member
There was a bit of a delay, but it's finally live now.
OgTheClever
Member
A very nice graphical upgrade so far, although I just hope that the framerate is a lot better, at least a locked 30fps (some maps play in the range of 15-20 fps currently).
DiscoShark
Banned
Yeah I missed about 20 minutes there between the introduction of the new UI and the vision for the future of the EVE universe in terms of access to other platforms. Gonna be looking forward to see the new graphical updates when the archive becomes available.
Assault Dropships! Now just give me a turret that makes it worthwhile. I'm having a hard time envisioning how a person would simultaneously pilot the dropship AND shoot/aim at the enemy though. Good to hear they have acceleration on ground vehicles set to triggers though.
is there a youtube link anywhere?
Ixion
Member
OgTheClever
Member
Not exactly. If you change your PS3's resolution to 576p then Dust's framerate will skyrocket. Lower framerates at higher resolutions is generally due to a GPU bottleneck.
Simply put: They said they want to get a new audience since Eve is already on PC.
They already tried to get it on the 360, but MS said no since Dust 514 connects to Eve's servers. So Sony jumped in and they have been together ever since pretty much.
OgTheClever
Member
I have seen the presentation, but I'm still not convinced by CCP's explanation. From personal testing I have confirmed that reducing the resolution produced a drastic improvement in framerate. For example, the map Line Harvest currently runs at sub 20fps in every brightness and environment condition at 720p. When you set the PS3 to 576p it runs at around 30fps with a lot less input lag (I'm not sure if this is a locked framerate but it's still a noticeable increase).
Of course it is still possible that the game is bottlenecked by the network in some way, although why would the framerate be improved at a lower resolution if this is then case? As far as I know, variation in fps at different resolutions is primarily due to GPU limitations.
People in my corporation and on the forums have also confirmed the performance increase at the lower res, eg: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70053
Its a European PS3 feature based on the old PAL standard. I've not heard confirmation whether or not the framerate is affected by the US 480p resolution.
Do you have a link which confirms that the PS3 can only downscale at lower resolutions, rather than rendering natively? In Dust the text is rendered completely differently in SD and the proportions of sections of the menus are changed as well.
funkystudent
Member
Ill guess that will happen if/when a ps4 version happens.
Will have to try this after its launched to see how its improved since I first played last.
UE3 was a really horrible choice for this sort of game and UE3 on ps3 doesn't help matters.
I feel that they definitely shot themselves in the foot, by developing the game for current gen consoles, launching so close to next-gen. A game with this scope and ambition would be much better suited for next-gen. The ps3 version is going to define the game even if it gets next-gen version.
putting this on the ps4 would be a dumb idea
how many people are going to
buy a ps4 that costs 400$+
to play dust 514
and pay enough to make developing the game reasonable
vs
developing on a system with 70 million install base
that can be bought for like 150-250 dollars
that is willing to actually play dust 514
how many people are going to
buy a ps4 that costs 400$+
to play dust 514
and pay enough to make developing the game reasonable
vs
developing on a system with 70 million install base
that can be bought for like 150-250 dollars
that is willing to actually play dust 514
What? Who buys a system
and only plays one game on it. It's free to play anyway
with micro transactions. Considering
I keep getting killed with aur paid weapons I'm sure money
isn't that big of a issue. You aren't making sense.
OgTheClever
Member
You might be best waiting until the new update on May 6th. The game should become a bit more streamlined for new players, for example the skill system is being made a lot more intuitive and user friendly.
Thanks for the heads up. I may still try again tomorrow and just go in tutorial free, guns blazing.
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
Since the game launches on 5.14, is anyone doing an OT? This game has made so much progression since the early days of beta and people out there should know.
They showed during a later presentation at fan fest that they have several new environments such as snow, lava, zero g mining stations, cloud city, and even spaceship interiors that they can role out at any time, but they want to finish making this current environment type the best they can before getting sidetracked. Still, expect them soon.
They said during the keynote that not only are the graphics improved, but the game will also run faster. Win-win.
They showed during a later presentation at fan fest that they have several new environments such as snow, lava, zero g mining stations, cloud city, and even spaceship interiors that they can role out at any time, but they want to finish making this current environment type the best they can before getting sidetracked. Still, expect them soon.
Think about it like this, there will be tons of people saving up for a PS4 that a completely free to play game like Dust will make sense for many until then.
looking good!
Wow, when they talked about non-temperate planets last year I got the impression they were several years away from implementing them. That's going to be pretty wild, especially the spaceship interiors if they allow Dust players to invade EVE ships like they were considering.
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
From the sounds of it, Dust players will be invading NPC Titans sort of like the NPC Titan from the Battle of Caldari Prime a few weeks ago. I wouldn't get my hopes up for invading actual player controlled Titans or other ships, but you never know.
DiscoShark
Banned
Welp, Patch Notes are out.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71944&find=unread
Highlights :
Path to Game and Overall UI
* Major improvement to the login flow. Time to merc quarter reduced from 4:30 seconds to 1:30 seconds on average
* Removed Specializations
Skills
* Weapon skill bonuses are now weapon-specific as opposed to providing blanket bonuses across Light, Sidearm and Heavy categories
Weapons
* Weapon tiers streamlined so that more side grades are unlocked in the advanced tier and more exotic variants in the prototype tier
* Reduced damage and max range of the HMG
Controls
* Completely retuned controller sensitivity settings in the options menu to give a broader range
Turrets
* Increased splash damage on Small Missile Turrets
Adjustments to ISK prices
* Lowered prices on standard and advanced items in all categories while keeping the price level of prototype items mostly intact
* Simplified the pricing on dropsuits theres now just one price category (i.e. heavy dropsuits now cost the same as assault dropsuits of the same meta level)
* Reduced the price of Dropships in half (approximately)
* Changed the base price points on vehicle modules and turrets vehicle modules will be less costly than before, while vehicle turrets will be more expensive
* Changed the base price points on equipment equipment will now be less expensive overall
Equipment
* Added the ability to use the nanite injector even when you do not have it selected
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=71944&find=unread
Highlights :
Path to Game and Overall UI
* Major improvement to the login flow. Time to merc quarter reduced from 4:30 seconds to 1:30 seconds on average
* Removed Specializations
Skills
* Weapon skill bonuses are now weapon-specific as opposed to providing blanket bonuses across Light, Sidearm and Heavy categories
Weapons
* Weapon tiers streamlined so that more side grades are unlocked in the advanced tier and more exotic variants in the prototype tier
* Reduced damage and max range of the HMG
Controls
* Completely retuned controller sensitivity settings in the options menu to give a broader range
Turrets
* Increased splash damage on Small Missile Turrets
Adjustments to ISK prices
* Lowered prices on standard and advanced items in all categories while keeping the price level of prototype items mostly intact
* Simplified the pricing on dropsuits theres now just one price category (i.e. heavy dropsuits now cost the same as assault dropsuits of the same meta level)
* Reduced the price of Dropships in half (approximately)
* Changed the base price points on vehicle modules and turrets vehicle modules will be less costly than before, while vehicle turrets will be more expensive
* Changed the base price points on equipment equipment will now be less expensive overall
Equipment
* Added the ability to use the nanite injector even when you do not have it selected
the official dust forums are going crazy with these upcoming changes
no one is liking anything
the amount of sp needed to get into classes are being increased
skills are being separated into 2 or more skills
weapons are being nerfed
dropsuits are being nerfed
everything is getting nerfed except assault suits and the assault rifle which are in fact getting a slight buff with a reduction in recoil
this game is not ready to be released as a "AAA game" as CCP states
no one is liking anything
the amount of sp needed to get into classes are being increased
skills are being separated into 2 or more skills
weapons are being nerfed
dropsuits are being nerfed
everything is getting nerfed except assault suits and the assault rifle which are in fact getting a slight buff with a reduction in recoil
this game is not ready to be released as a "AAA game" as CCP states
Huw_Dawson
Member
Welcome to Eve. The forum warriors hate everything.
OgTheClever
Member
It's more just a vocal minority. Some of the higher level items now require more SP to skill into, but a lot of people still agree that Uprising is a massive upgrade over the current build. Planetary conquest looks great as well because now we have something really worth fighting for.
Hell I'm sold soley by the re-introduction of dropship southpaw controls.
funkystudent
Member
I saw walking out of the shop earlier thinking about this and it hit me out of the blue that its coming out on 5.14. Oh you Icelanders.
Anyway, are they adding trophies?
Anyway, are they adding trophies?
It's F2P. The only things you can buy are things that change your appearence.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
I've been meaning to try this, but I got side tracked with the Battlefield 3 expansions and Planetside 2's release.
How are you guys finding it thus far? Is it a worthy MMOFPS?
Does it hold up well next to something like MAG on PS3?
How are you guys finding it thus far? Is it a worthy MMOFPS?
Does it hold up well next to something like MAG on PS3?
Maybe I can after I am done with my finals on the 8th.
Maybe with the Uprising build, it will hold up better to MAG.
MAG had no performance issues and was very stable for the kind of thing it was doing. But this current build(along with the previous ones) of Dust makes me want to pull my hair out because of the stutters, frame rate drops and some lag as it is a real beta. The Uprising build should be fixing most of these issues.
For comparison, this is how the game looks like in the current beta (Cronus?) build (These SS's are from Youtube, so they look far worse than they really are, but you get the idea):
And this is the upcoming Uprising build:
OgTheClever
Member
Uprising is the update, it's on Monday (6th May). This includes things like the graphical upgrade, streamlined skill system and updated factional warfare. It's not 100% confirmed, but 48 player battles might also be enabled, upgraded from the current 32 players.
14th May is being classed as the official release. That isn't a full new build, but they'll patch in certain pieces of content, such as new weapons, maps and planetary conquest mode.
SniperHunter
Banned
They should have started developing on PS4...this game doesn't belong on PS3. Played two rounds, yea this is one the worst FPS's I have seen or played. Released in 2013 and somehow it manages to look worse than Battlefield 2142 which was released in 2006...
Awful graphics
Awful sound
Bad art everywhere
Bad tech
Terrible physics, stuff disappears too quickly
On the positive side at least the controls are really good. Game is being developed in China right? it figures...
Awful graphics
Awful sound
Bad art everywhere
Bad tech
Terrible physics, stuff disappears too quickly
On the positive side at least the controls are really good. Game is being developed in China right? it figures...