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B-Rad Lascelle said:
Someone needs to shop this onto a pedestal like that Ninja Gaiden post.
Dyack: "NeoGAF...I would say is probably the worst forum." Response.
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Someone needs to shop this onto a pedestal like that Ninja Gaiden post.
Any normal poster would have been banned for the beyond moronic 'For or Against PUT UP OR SHUT UP' thread. This is long overdue.
I mean good god, Dyack has been slagging NeoGaf for weeks now on venues where NeoGAF has no opportunity to respond. That is an extremely low move from him and nobody should be surprised that the man was perma-banned.
I mean good god, Dyack has been slagging NeoGaf for weeks now on venues where NeoGAF has no opportunity to respond. That is an extremely low move from him and nobody should be surprised that the man was perma-banned.
Chittagong
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This resolution fits Too Human.
Way too late and doesn't live up to the hype.
Way too late and doesn't live up to the hype.
Finally caught up, what a read.
Wow that must have been awkward! That makes this whole thing seem even crazier.
GAF:
And come on guys, I thought 1up handled it well personally. They (1up) can't just slam game devs left and right if they want more of them to be on their shows. They don't operate under the same set of freedoms you get on a forum. 1up walks a very fine line with how far they take things, lets not try and make this a GAF vs. 1up thing, because 1up regularly goes for the jugular.
How many other sites would have even posted that podcast for public consumption? Honestly?
skip said:
Wow that must have been awkward! That makes this whole thing seem even crazier.
GAF:
And come on guys, I thought 1up handled it well personally. They (1up) can't just slam game devs left and right if they want more of them to be on their shows. They don't operate under the same set of freedoms you get on a forum. 1up walks a very fine line with how far they take things, lets not try and make this a GAF vs. 1up thing, because 1up regularly goes for the jugular.
How many other sites would have even posted that podcast for public consumption? Honestly?
This is a pretty depressing but unsurprising turn of events. Denis is a guy who cares deeply about the potential of the medium in which he works but overestimates his audience. Coupled with the fact that Silicon Knights has failed time and again to deliver on his promises, the onus is entirely on him.
I can't agree that this forum is the worst as it really is a fantastic source of breaking news, overseas information, etc. However, in terms of game criticism, the negativity and hivemind is often impossible to wade through.
I was really hoping that Too Human would defy expectations and turn out great (win-win) but as it appears, it's a thoroughly average game and once again he's got egg on his face. Too Human's infamy continues.
I can't agree that this forum is the worst as it really is a fantastic source of breaking news, overseas information, etc. However, in terms of game criticism, the negativity and hivemind is often impossible to wade through.
I was really hoping that Too Human would defy expectations and turn out great (win-win) but as it appears, it's a thoroughly average game and once again he's got egg on his face. Too Human's infamy continues.
commariodore64
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ZING!Chittagong said:
And, like the Too Human demo - eventually, many people try it out, get bored of the repetition, and go to other topics...
Mamesj said:
One can edit and manicure their personality in any setting. The internet is just a relatively easy setting in which to do so. It's easier to avoid slipping up, but it's hardly the only place that people adopt a calculated demeanor.
Also, no matter how carefully one edits one's self, the choice to present a persona of a given nature is in and of itself reflective of one's self. No persona one presents is likely to be a very complete representation of the self, but they all unavoidably are a representation of one's self, no matter how shallow or carefully controlled. And they always, always reveal more than one intends or is aware of.
I guess this was an inevitability. Admitting to "conducting social experiments" on a mob of anonymous forumites was a surefire way to draw ire, and from his game's target audience, no less.
Though I liked his posts in the official TH thread, as you can clearly see genuine enthusiasm for his product. I guess there's no forum wizardry that would allow him to only post in that one thread. Though even then I think he'd find some way to rile up the forum again. "Life... finds a way...", as Jeff Goldblum so eloquently put it while visiting a certain park.
Though I liked his posts in the official TH thread, as you can clearly see genuine enthusiasm for his product. I guess there's no forum wizardry that would allow him to only post in that one thread. Though even then I think he'd find some way to rile up the forum again. "Life... finds a way...", as Jeff Goldblum so eloquently put it while visiting a certain park.
Well I'd like to have a quick say if nobody minds (I'm sure nobody else will care). This thread was precisely the right way to respond to Denis Dyack's stupidity. Even though it would be easy to I'm not even going to call out Dyack's flawed psychology and pseudo-intellect. For everyone saying this is childish and "Dyack is right about the forum" I have just one question to ask: If Dyack is right then why are you still here? There shouldn't be anything worthwhile about posting here at this forum if you're agreeing with Dyack.
To address Dyack directly (because in all honesty we know he's reading this): You are a huge hypocrite. You complain about GAF being "unfair" to your game and that people don't understand it. You have nobody to blame but yourself for this. You made this game with the hopes that people in this demographic would buy it and we don't like it. It's disappointing but it happens. The right thing to do is to try to figure out what people like and what people don't like about it and move on from there. Maybe patch your game to better suit the audience that you're making it for. The wrong thing to do is to blame everyone except yourself for your game being taken badly. You had a bad showing at E3 2006 not Epic. Your game is poorly animated. Your game has hilariously bad dialogue. Your game isn't any fun to play. You see where this is going? The reviews of your game are by and large reflecting this opinion.
Whether or not you like this forum or you think it's the worst ever this forum only responded to what you put out there for it. It responded to your bad E3 showing. It responded to your bad demo. It's responding to your poor review scores. It's responding to your bad game. But you know as well as I do that none of this really mattered because it wasn't profound. All you did was realize that your game wasn't going to turn out well and you started running out of things to scapegoat so you preemptively attacked the audience you were hoping to sell your game to. Anything to avoid the cold hard fact that your game just isn't that good and that you're really not that good of a developer and to try to create controversy to sell this game. Maybe that will work and maybe it won't but this topic and your ban at NeoGAF is more than warranted. We're not your little pawns in your shallow and self-indulgent social experiments.
Thank you EviLore.
To address Dyack directly (because in all honesty we know he's reading this): You are a huge hypocrite. You complain about GAF being "unfair" to your game and that people don't understand it. You have nobody to blame but yourself for this. You made this game with the hopes that people in this demographic would buy it and we don't like it. It's disappointing but it happens. The right thing to do is to try to figure out what people like and what people don't like about it and move on from there. Maybe patch your game to better suit the audience that you're making it for. The wrong thing to do is to blame everyone except yourself for your game being taken badly. You had a bad showing at E3 2006 not Epic. Your game is poorly animated. Your game has hilariously bad dialogue. Your game isn't any fun to play. You see where this is going? The reviews of your game are by and large reflecting this opinion.
Whether or not you like this forum or you think it's the worst ever this forum only responded to what you put out there for it. It responded to your bad E3 showing. It responded to your bad demo. It's responding to your poor review scores. It's responding to your bad game. But you know as well as I do that none of this really mattered because it wasn't profound. All you did was realize that your game wasn't going to turn out well and you started running out of things to scapegoat so you preemptively attacked the audience you were hoping to sell your game to. Anything to avoid the cold hard fact that your game just isn't that good and that you're really not that good of a developer and to try to create controversy to sell this game. Maybe that will work and maybe it won't but this topic and your ban at NeoGAF is more than warranted. We're not your little pawns in your shallow and self-indulgent social experiments.
Thank you EviLore.
Rated-Rsuperstar
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dk_ said:
Awesome :lol
gnarkill bill
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dk_ said:
Dirtbag 504 said:
1UP was not at all wrong in letting Dyack speak at length - he was the guest and they're the hosts. That's how it should be. However, I do think they could have interjected themselves a bit more in the convo, not necessarily in an antagonistic fashion, but just to add more to the discussion. Only Garnett seemed to really be doing that, if I recall correctly.
It's not at all a huge deal and says nothing about the 1UP Yours guys, who are great to listen to, but it's one of those "should've beens".
commariodore64
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No - but thanks for insinuating that the GAF members are morons - at any rate, he has not shown respect for his audience. He has not shown humility.junker said:
What he has done is boast and make audacious claims and insist on his view as the truth. Not a well-tempered manner for someone with an 'audience'...
Dyack's ego got the better of him. It was up for debate when he first started that infamous thread, but now it's clear that any sort of realistic grounding he had for this debate as a whole is gone and been replaced by the all singing, all dancing Denis Dyack Show.
For him, this stand against NeoGAF will be something he will be forever championing. I have no doubt that that Dyack will milk every conceivable PR stunt he can from this little 'exchange'. Every possible chance he has to talk about the media will be lead from 'his time' at NeoGAF and how he was banned.
Dyack will forever be synonymous with this NeoGAF and Too Human 'exchange' and the resulting media interest in this discussion, and not his body of work. And that, if anyone, is a major own goal for someone like Dyack. Right? No. Dyack clearly wanted Dyack first and foremost in the line of discussion rather than his game.
For Dyack this was something he feels was just and right. A cause. A calling to all those in the video game industry who feel similarly victimised in forums and blogs.
For NeoGAF this will be a bullet point on it's Wiki page or something that a mod links to a new member who has just joined the forum and isn't aware of it's 'history' or should that be infamy of the Dyack incident.
In short the conclusion of this series of events is a huge moment for Dyack.
For NeoGAF however, it was a Wednesday.
I have grown weary of you Mr Dyack and the sound of your voice.
Good day.
Thankfully.
For him, this stand against NeoGAF will be something he will be forever championing. I have no doubt that that Dyack will milk every conceivable PR stunt he can from this little 'exchange'. Every possible chance he has to talk about the media will be lead from 'his time' at NeoGAF and how he was banned.
Dyack will forever be synonymous with this NeoGAF and Too Human 'exchange' and the resulting media interest in this discussion, and not his body of work. And that, if anyone, is a major own goal for someone like Dyack. Right? No. Dyack clearly wanted Dyack first and foremost in the line of discussion rather than his game.
For Dyack this was something he feels was just and right. A cause. A calling to all those in the video game industry who feel similarly victimised in forums and blogs.
For NeoGAF this will be a bullet point on it's Wiki page or something that a mod links to a new member who has just joined the forum and isn't aware of it's 'history' or should that be infamy of the Dyack incident.
In short the conclusion of this series of events is a huge moment for Dyack.
For NeoGAF however, it was a Wednesday.
I have grown weary of you Mr Dyack and the sound of your voice.
Good day.
Shard said:
Thankfully.
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Crisis said:
Well thought out post Crisis. I agree with you on nearly all accounts. Dyack had a list of blame, but after he kept crossing them off, it was only a matter of time until his name was the last one on the list.
If he thinks NeoGaf is awful and mean, wait until the bean counters and executives at Microsoft politely decline to publish parts 2 and 3 of this game.
TheRagnCajun
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Busty said:
shit I thought it was Tuesday...
B-Rad Lascelle
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What happens if it sells really well? Like an Adam Sandler movie?. What then? :lolEl_TigroX said:
Guys, I have news for you: this is EviLore's place, like it, hate it, whatever, but it's a private space with a owner who keeps it afloat because he is willing to.
His places, his rules. While I don't dislike Dyack at all I don't find hard to understand this situation, he has been trashing this place at every chance and the owner has got tired of it. End of story, cut the drama.
His places, his rules. While I don't dislike Dyack at all I don't find hard to understand this situation, he has been trashing this place at every chance and the owner has got tired of it. End of story, cut the drama.
Metaphoreus
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Azih said:
It's interesting that you would say that, and even more so that he would do that, given how much weight he gives to the lack of reciprocity in online relationships.
gnarkill bill
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GAF is a day ahead.TheRagnCajun said:
Philthy
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commariodore64 said:
It certainly is a social forum, people discuss things, be it gaming, programming, or otherwise. The difference being that, again, it is heavily modded. You can't act like a 5 year old over there and just post dumb responses for twelve pages.
As far as Gaf going down notches, I meant as a whole. How do you think other people in the industry will look on Gaf after this entire debacle? Probably not so great. All the screaming children posting has put a lot of egg on Gafs face. The bandwagon got entirely out of control, and it's still going with new thread after new thread being posted over Dyack. It's all justifying that what Dyack said was actually true, and that's pretty sad.
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B-Rad Lascelle said:
Then I get to shut the F up and eat my words!
polyh3dron
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This wins the thread.dk_ said:
dave is ok
aztek is ok
:lol :lol :lolcommariodore64 said:
change4no1
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fennec fox said:
:lol
Team Klimt said:
I must agree. Mr. Dyack is right in my opinion. And the immature and unintelligent reaction of GAF only proves his point.
TwinIonEngines said:
Yeah, I agree with that, though I think there are too many factors missing to consider online personas to be of any value in determining a person's true personality. That doesn't stop me from deducing things, of course, but that's just part of the game :lol
but the original issue was whether it's the "best" representation of one's "true" self. I hope for the world's sake that no one reads this situation as something truly huge and major...it's just good drama like a reality show. This seems like the equivalent of yelling at the screen while watching sports or something :lol
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