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E3 2008 Nintendo Conference
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gamergirly
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RagnarokX said:
:lol
Wizpig said:
Judging by Iwata's comments, I'd say so. He clearly stated that the Mario and Zelda teams are hard at work on new entries in the franchises for the Wii. Which means, yes, we're getting two core Mario and Zelda franchise games on the same system. By everyone's comments, you'd think he said, "So we've decided to wrap up this whole Mario / Zelda dynamic. The teams that would be working on them are now developing Wii games in which you stare at the screen and, after a while, can see a hidden picture."
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Vinci said:
Until I see something concrete, I don't believe it. I would also ask to HAL_Laboratory why Retro's next game is SO vaporwave.
Vinci said:
No sh1t those teams are doing something, but the fact that nothing is ready to be shown is an indication of when we can expect those games. 2010->.
What's more, working on something is a broad definition. They could be just toying around with ideas that will never find their way to the games.
Remember back in the N64 days. Nintendo were supposedly working on Mario 64-2 ever since the completion of Mario 64. And the result... we get freaking MArio fcking Sunshine in june 2002.
Can't you just understand we are looking for something more concrete ? Not necessarily just Mario/Zelda.
So to get one thing clear
Nintendo is releaseing 4 (four, yes FOUR) games in the later part of 2008
And these games are
Super Mario Sluggers (Baseboll.. with Mario.... yeah..)
Wario Land: Shake It! (looks good)
Animal Crossing (a carbon copy of a game release for N64/GC/DS)
Wii Music (retarded music game)
Come on, this can´t be all?! This isn´t even a good release schedule for the casual audience
Nintendo is releaseing 4 (four, yes FOUR) games in the later part of 2008
And these games are
Super Mario Sluggers (Baseboll.. with Mario.... yeah..)
Wario Land: Shake It! (looks good)
Animal Crossing (a carbon copy of a game release for N64/GC/DS)
Wii Music (retarded music game)
Come on, this can´t be all?! This isn´t even a good release schedule for the casual audience
goompapa said:
There's nothing more concrete about a game than its development period. People are acting like Mario and Zelda games come automagically out of thin fucking air, and they don't. They think Iwata can snap his fingers and make a trailer for this new, awesome Mario or Zelda write itself onto a DVD to showcase perfectly in time for E3, and it's bullshit. People responded to TP, saying that they wanted something new from the franchise, and Nintendo is trying to do that - but again, that takes time. They aren't Sony, they aren't Microsoft. They're not going to show you a CG of the damn game a year before it'll even conceivably be playable. Maybe they should if that's what it'll take to keep people from losing their shit over something this silly.
In simpler terms:
Sony / Microsoft + Every 3rd Party >> Nintendo
They cannot do this all on their own, and they're not always going to have products to show us that are from a core franchise that we all know and love.
Toy Soldier
Member
ggnoobIGN said:
Exactly. I don't get all of the tears over Nintendo's line-up being bleak when there are OBVIOUSLY more games on the horizon, games that Nintendo just hasn't chosen to show off yet.
They've been delivering some stellar 'core' experiences this generation, and I don't expect that trend to cease just because they chose to go lightweight with this conference.
goompapa said:
You mean games like:
ExciteTruck
Mario Strikers
Mario Party
Super Paper Mario
Mario Galaxy
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Zelda: Link's Crossbow Training
Fire Emblem
Smash Bros. Brawl
Metroid Prime 3
Battalion Wars
Wario Ware
Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
Mario Kart
Not to mention some games only released in Japan, and their DS offerings. All in all, that's a helluva lot of game production for two years.
'Casual poop' automatically negates your argument. I didn't realize I was speaking to someone who things 'casual' = 'shit.' But I'll go ahead and comment anyway. There are a couple of different options:
(1) Nintendo literally had very little to show on the core games front, which we know isn't completely true: Fatal Frame, Wario Land, etc. They're not huge, but they're there.
...or...
(2) Nintendo defines what it shows at E3 by a criteria that doesn't match yours. Because it sure as hell isn't that Nintendo is suddenly going to toss away 25+ years of success when they could keep that easily going at the same time.
I'm voting for a mix of the two, with heavy emphasis on the 2nd.
Father_Brain
Banned
ggnoobIGN said:
I agree that we will, but I really think that might be it for 2008 releases. Call me pessimistic.
Vinci said:
Exactly my point. A lot of games on that list have been finished for more than a year. Can't the teams from those games prepare something ?
Couldn't help myself when I saw something like wiimusic, but i shouldn't use that word:lol
I am more concerned at their inhouse wii-input and I really don't think they have much to show on that front.
It's not just at E3 thay have are empty handed. It has been like that for about a year already.
Could you list the inhouse wii-games they have announced since E307, heck make it E306. The amount and profile of those games are shocking.
.hacked
Member
Vinci said:
The game is not a tent pole game, and it is a mistake to believe it is.
Vinci said:
Wow more useless items to collect.
I know I was excited to play AC online, 5 years ago. I can't imagine the sheer boredom it would induce now, but at least you can talk with people now...
goompapa said:
Maybe they could, but maybe Nintendo chose not to show them at E3. Everyone keeps acting like E3 is what it used to be. It's not. It's dying or dead after this show. The only appeal it has for these companies is getting out information to investors and the mainstream market. At least as far as Nintendo's concerned.
A Link to the Past
Banned
.hacked said:
What? ACWW sold more than almost every Zelda title ever made.
.hacked said:
I could be wrong, but ... I believe Animal Crossing sells better than Zelda. So maybe the problem with your 'tent pole' issue is that you're looking at the wrong tent.
I'm pretty sure the DS version of Animal Crossing outsold its previous iterations, leading one to believe that, at least in Japan, there are now more people buying the thing than there was before: Meaning, yes, someone's non-gamer friends and family likely bought it. And if it allows them to talk to their grandchildren free of charge through this game they like to play with them, yeah, you never know. Communication games are pretty powerful in the market. Look at WoW.
boiled goose
good with gravy
What games have been announced and demonstrated for wii so far? Which ones are confirmed to be released this year? the lineup might not be so bad even without more nintendo games...
08 Wario Land
08 Fatal Frame
08 Wii music
08 animal crossing
08 sluggers
09 wii sports resort
09 the conduit
08? call of duty 5
09 mad world
08? castlevania judgement
08? dead rising wii
08 sonic unleashed
08 samba de amigo
08 rock band 2
08 GH4
ultimate band
rock revolution
+some ddrs and karaokes
08 fifa 09
08 madden 09
08? skate it
08 snowboarding
08? facebreaker
08 WWE
08ncaa09
08 nhl09
08 nba09
09? tecmo bowl
08 pes 09
08 wii love golf
little kings story
sim animal
sims kingdom
08? monster lab
08 mushroom men
spray
de blob
deadly creatures
harvest moon
arc rise fantasia
08? tales of symphonia
08 star wars clone wars
08 star wars unleashed
rune factory
08 rayman rr tv
spiderman web of shadows
major minor
08 lego batman
09 spyborgs
wiiware
megaman 9
world of goo
What am i missing...
08 Wario Land
08 Fatal Frame
08 Wii music
08 animal crossing
08 sluggers
09 wii sports resort
09 the conduit
08? call of duty 5
09 mad world
08? castlevania judgement
08? dead rising wii
08 sonic unleashed
08 samba de amigo
08 rock band 2
08 GH4
ultimate band
rock revolution
+some ddrs and karaokes
08 fifa 09
08 madden 09
08? skate it
08 snowboarding
08? facebreaker
08 WWE
08ncaa09
08 nhl09
08 nba09
09? tecmo bowl
08 pes 09
08 wii love golf
little kings story
sim animal
sims kingdom
08? monster lab
08 mushroom men
spray
de blob
deadly creatures
harvest moon
arc rise fantasia
08? tales of symphonia
08 star wars clone wars
08 star wars unleashed
rune factory
08 rayman rr tv
spiderman web of shadows
major minor
08 lego batman
09 spyborgs
wiiware
megaman 9
world of goo
What am i missing...
Disappointing for those of us hoping for some new titles like we used to get at the old E3. I'm not calling Nintendo stupid, arrogant or foolish because their conference wasn't suitable to my tastes, though, because just a few months back they announced Rhythm Tengoku, Band Brothers, and Wario Land. And in a few weeks I get Fatal Frame, Fire Emblem and Metal Slug 7.
So whilst it sucks to be a Nintendo gamer who wants to see the games coming out in 12/24 months time like we used to get, it's not so bad for those who just look at the next 3-4 months at any point in the year.
Admittedly, it's better being a J-Nintendo GAFfer.
So whilst it sucks to be a Nintendo gamer who wants to see the games coming out in 12/24 months time like we used to get, it's not so bad for those who just look at the next 3-4 months at any point in the year.
Admittedly, it's better being a J-Nintendo GAFfer.
.hacked said:
I've seen a variety of posts from people on neoGAF (a place I would consider pretty hardcore) stating that if AC appeared on the Wii, they'd buy the Wii to get it. So yes, I think there's a fair share of hardcore gamers that dig on AC. As hard as that might be for your to believe. Not every hardcore gamer is exactly the same; we're all tuned a bit differently.
It was selling well on systems that weren't casual-oriented, like the N64. The fact that it sells better now would seem to indicate that it still sells well to core gamers but now has the added influence of the casual to its userbase.
.hacked said:
Nope. But I don't equate Animal Crossing and Wii Music to one another. One is a game I'll happily purchase, while the other is one that I'll probably avoid. I'll definitely buy Wii Sports Resort though. Don't faint.
Oh, I also can't wait for MadWorld. It looks awesome. Or Little King's Story.
A Link to the Past
Banned
It's obvious they're not done announcing stuff. Fact of the matter is that they wouldn't not show most of the games they're coming out with, and I doubt they'd have nothing to announce for WiiWare.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
ggnoobIGN said:
Reason? Still not complete? Tell me please that it is not a casual game.
Not really related to the current discussion, but this might be the best place for it- I'm really liking what I'm starting to see from 3rd parties, especially of course, the Japanese ones.
No megatons or anything, but I can put together a decent list of 3rd party games I'm genuinely interested in:
Mad World
Samba
De Blob
Deadly Creatures
Rune Factory Frontier
Little King Story
Tales of Symphonia: DotNW
Dead Rising (I know its not confirmed for N.A, but come on)
Conduit
Not to mention GH:WT and CoD:WoW which at first glance seem to be genuinely full featured multi platforms.
Then there are the games from Japanese pubs who haven't been announced for U.S but look promising, like Arc Rise Fantasia, Fragile, oboro, and sky crawlers
Not trying to claim 3rd party support is now equal to the hi def systems, but I think its coming around and its a pretty varied and interesting list.
No megatons or anything, but I can put together a decent list of 3rd party games I'm genuinely interested in:
Mad World
Samba
De Blob
Deadly Creatures
Rune Factory Frontier
Little King Story
Tales of Symphonia: DotNW
Dead Rising (I know its not confirmed for N.A, but come on)
Conduit
Not to mention GH:WT and CoD:WoW which at first glance seem to be genuinely full featured multi platforms.
Then there are the games from Japanese pubs who haven't been announced for U.S but look promising, like Arc Rise Fantasia, Fragile, oboro, and sky crawlers
Not trying to claim 3rd party support is now equal to the hi def systems, but I think its coming around and its a pretty varied and interesting list.
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Yes, Retro is working on a casual game. I described it earlier: It doesn't require any input at all. You basically just stare at the picture onscreen till a hidden image appears.
EDIT: Seriously, man. Step outside, get some fresh air. You sound like you're going insane.
Another reason I think there is more coming for this year- Nintendo Japan has been pretty damn good about supporting the Wii with software.
After Fatal Frame IV in 2 weeks, the only (assumed) 1st party Wii games in Japan for the rest of the year will be Animal Crossing and Wii Music. There is no way Nintendo Japan is going to come out with 2 1st party games for the last 5 months of this year. No way.
Edit- forgot about Captain Rainbow...so 3 games!
After Fatal Frame IV in 2 weeks, the only (assumed) 1st party Wii games in Japan for the rest of the year will be Animal Crossing and Wii Music. There is no way Nintendo Japan is going to come out with 2 1st party games for the last 5 months of this year. No way.
Edit- forgot about Captain Rainbow...so 3 games!
MilesWebber
Member
From Our Live Blog. 10:08am. Fail.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Case said:
At tonight's conference, obviously.
Case said:
Maybe I didn't make it clear when I said it here and elsewhere: Nintendo has released more games from their core franchises than Sony and Microsoft on their respective consoles combined, despite the fact that Nintendo is a much smaller company. So what the hell is everyone getting rattled about? The only thing holding back the Wii is full 3rd-party acceptance, but that's more a byproduct of how everyone badly predicted what would happen this gen than it is Nintendo making mistakes or ignoring core gamers.
Those games, the ones you listed, aren't ready or Nintendo doesn't want to show them at E3.
Why do I have to keep explaining this? The way you see E3 is not the way they see it. If they want to use it specifically to showcase their casual software coming out in the future, that's their damn choice. Either you understand that you have a different vision for E3 than they do, or you don't and make the baseless assumption that Nintendo simply isn't making any more core games or that they're going to only make a Mario and Zelda game every two to three years.
Rapping Granny
Banned
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