Earth Defense Force 6 on Steam requires an Epic Games Account to play, game gets review bombed
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
We won't be silenced by fascists like you.
Trogdor1123
Member
Kinda weird for the account to be needed and weird to review bomb for it.
I bet most of the folks already have epic accounts for the free games.
I bet most of the folks already have epic accounts for the free games.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
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He just keeps winning
MadchesterManc
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The_hunter
Member
Probably Epic provides the crossplay software they are using.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
This will break steam deck support and eventually the game itself like many MS games and Ubisoft games that never got patched and require old ass versions of Uplay or G4WL.
It's not just whining for nothing.
Holammer
Member
The bullshit part here is the Bait & Switch. They knew very well there would be negative reaction and kept the EGS account requirement secret until release.
Valve should enact a policy to combat such bait and switch methods, remove the game, refund pre-orders and ban the developer. Nip this sort of behaviour in the bud before we see more of it.
Valve should enact a policy to combat such bait and switch methods, remove the game, refund pre-orders and ban the developer. Nip this sort of behaviour in the bud before we see more of it.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
NICE.
Ftfy.
Lucifers Beard
Member
I wish we could disable retarded opinions like this...
Kacho
Member
I have to assume they are contractually obligated to use it.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
I've asked before during the Ghost of Tsushima needing PSN, so I'll ask again.
Where is the account info being stored? Is it one file in steam? Or does every game keep a copy of my account info?
I only ask as it seems to be a security risk if every game keeps a copy of my game log in accounts.
Where is the account info being stored? Is it one file in steam? Or does every game keep a copy of my account info?
I only ask as it seems to be a security risk if every game keeps a copy of my game log in accounts.
near
Member
The last Sandlot game did not have crossplay, it also was not available on EGS. Rectifying this might actually be too much work for them.
mayham2199
Member
Does Valve really need to enact a policy? If it happens you can easily refund as soon as the game boots up and makes you create\sign in to epic.
bender
What time is it?
A valid concern.
Another good point. Due to the size of the team and publisher, I could see them just burying their head in the sand.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Exactly. Requiring a 3rd party account, while kinda lame, isn't something I feel so strongly about. But keeping that a secret was very lame.
And just a huge "own goal" as well. Did these people not realize that a) gamers generally dislike this shit, b) gamers especially don't want to be surprised by something like this and c) this is exactly the kind of thing that gets you review bombed. What a stupid move.
LazyParrot
Member
Totally deserved if there was no advance notice on the game's store page.
Holammer
Member
It protects the customer and their reputation.
Tons of games already use Epic Online Services, so I don't get why this game needs a login. Well I get why, money changed hands.
near
Member
Just did some reading and Steam users will probably need to bite the bullet on this one. The games entire online infrastructure kind of depends on Epic Online Services to currently function. Compatibility with PS4 & PS5 cross-matching would break if they remove it. For a company like Sandlot and a niche IP like EDF, not sure if they deserve getting review bombed for this. Helldivers 2 was an entirely different situation if I recall correctly.
Kacho
Member
Using Epic's online service for their game isn't an issue. Like you said, Epic has the infrastructure in place for that, whereas a tiny company like Sandlot absolutely does not. It's requiring users to create an account and all that jazz. PC gamers don't want to give Epic their data to play fucking EDF with their bros.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Was this feature/requirement known before launch? It's an incredibly dumb thing to do if they tried to hide it.
Personally I hate when companies pull this shit, from EA to Take 2 to Ubi to Sony and so on.
Shit starts breaking on Steam Deck too.
Edit: For me, this game went from "pick up after getting good technical impressions" to pick up for $20 in a year for two.
I do the same for EA, Ubi, and other similar titles with similar requirements.
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T4keD0wN
Member
The use of epic online services themselves does not require the users that will be using them to make an epic account as far as i am aware.
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Trogdor1123
Member
That is a good point. There should be some kind of requirement for them to maintain games to some degree.
Kacho
Member
SANDLOT/Publisher, please read :: EARTH DEFENSE FORCE 6 General Discussions
What people are complaining about can be fixed without removing EOS. Your implementation of EOS is flawed. See here: https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/player-authentication-with-epic-account-services-eas Specifically: Connect Interface The Connect Interface handles authentication to Epic Game...
What people are complaining about can be fixed without removing EOS. Your implementation of EOS is flawed.
See here:
https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/player-authentication-with-epic-account-services-eas
Specifically:
Connect Interface
The Connect Interface handles authentication to Epic Game Services. It is provider-agnostic, and can thus be used with a number of Identity Providers (such as Epic Games, Steam, Xbox Live, etc.).
The Connect Interface does not rely on Epic Accounts but instead uses a Product User ID (PUID) that is unique to a particular product in your organization.
The easiest way to think about these two Interfaces is that the Auth Interface deals with Epic Accounts and the related social graph APIs and the Connect Interface deals with the unique user IDs that are created on behalf of your game and must be linked to an external identity. Because the IDs used by the Connect Interface are not a social graph, they can be used for cross-play and cross-progression connected to multiple identities and can be used without the Auth Interface entirely.
TLR
Properly implementing the connect interface means that the auth interface (The component that requires a linked account) can be optional.
This was avoidable, but it's not too late. Please fix your implementation of EOS.
Topher
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SANDLOT/Publisher, please read :: EARTH DEFENSE FORCE 6 General Discussions
What people are complaining about can be fixed without removing EOS. Your implementation of EOS is flawed. See here: https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/player-authentication-with-epic-account-services-eas Specifically: Connect Interface The Connect Interface handles authentication to Epic Game...steamcommunity.com
lol.....Steam community providing technical support to the devs. Love it
near
Member
"If you use only EOS Game Services in your game, you do not require EOS Epic Account Services. You only need to use EOS Epic Account Services if you want your players to connect to your game using their Epic Games accounts so they can use services such as crossplay, friends, player presence, and the social overlay."
SANDLOT/Publisher, please read :: EARTH DEFENSE FORCE 6 General Discussions
What people are complaining about can be fixed without removing EOS. Your implementation of EOS is flawed. See here: https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/player-authentication-with-epic-account-services-eas Specifically: Connect Interface The Connect Interface handles authentication to Epic Game...
The game IS using the connect inferface. The authentication interface does not provide crossplay.
"The EOS features used in this title include "Connect," "Lobby," and "P2P". Integrating EOS into the game was completed in a remarkably short period, taking about ten days for in-game lobby functions using EOS Lobby service and about 20 days for game parts using EOS P2P service, totaling approximately just one month."
lame gag1990
Member
Why is this necessary? And does the Steam Deck play nice with this kind of thing?
MrTroubleMaker
Member
To bad, not going to get it now
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Bunch of Steam simps. I'm buying more on Steam than I ever have in the past now that I own a Steam Deck.
But constantly complaining about every publisher not completely bending over for Steam is simp status. Might as well ask to buy some Gabe bath water.
btw Atari 50 anniversary collection is $4 on cdkeys.
But constantly complaining about every publisher not completely bending over for Steam is simp status. Might as well ask to buy some Gabe bath water.
btw Atari 50 anniversary collection is $4 on cdkeys.
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MiguelItUp
Member
Some folks just really don't want to have multiple digital platforms. Especially ones that are for one, but still require another for some reason. A lot of PC users are primarily Steam users or Steam fans. So, in those instances they just want to use Steam. But there are a number of titles that have done things where they "release on Steam" but launching the game requires an external launcher, etc. People that play on Steam just want to play through Steam, etc.
It's not a deal breaker for me, personally, but a lot of people are really not into that at all. I think it would've been helpful if they mentioned something on the store page in advance, but they didn't, so a lot of people are going to see that as a negative I'm sure.
I think it's because it's nothing to do with the quality of the game. When it's a ton of people negatively reviewing something for the same reason people essentially see that as review bombing.
proandrad
Member
For a pc game any extra layers you have to go through to get into the game is a major part of the user experience. Steam reviews aren't for exclusively reviewing a single aspect of the purchase. They are for future customers to be aware of things that could affect their satisfaction with the product. At the very least it give a warning to future customers there is something that upset a lot of buyers. It's up to them to find out what is was and if they care about it or not.
Killjoy-NL
Member
PC gamers really are petty af.
Kacho
Member
Yep. At the end of the day they're only costing themselves sales with a move like this.
MiguelItUp
Member
Correct. This is just one of those situations that doesn't necessarily "affect everyone" for the most part. As some people don't care about having to connect to EGS, while some do. Whereas something like a game not launching correctly, absolutely poor performance, or something similar, would negatively affect every player that purchased the game. This at least brings attention to it, so it'll be more aware to those that care about it.
Regardless, devs should really be more upfront about stuff like this as it would be more helpful in the long run. Not doing so just allows them to hurt themselves. Sure, people would probably still leave negative reviews if they were upfront about it, but at least it would've been out there. The whole "not mentioning" before release thing is pretty shady/odd in situations like this or similar.
proandrad
Member
Steam should start having games that require 3rd party launchers or logins have a warning window popup before any payment is accepted for this these games. Game publishers know extra logins and multiple launchers are unpopular but they rather have unformed consumers buy their product and then cry that they a victim of "review bombing" when those consumers get upset.
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MiguelItUp
Member
I could see a scenario where they at least ask devs to include that it "requires a 3rd party launcher for _______" somewhere on the game's store page. At least I'd like to see that, but I'm sure they won't do anything. I'm actually pretty surprised that we haven't seen something like that yet though, considering the requirement to do such a thing has never really been viewed in a positive light. Then again, the outcome falls on the game/devs/pub, not Steam. So they're probably like, "Hey, whatever, we're getting ours." lol.
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