What. Of COURSE it's his fault. Are you fucking kidding me? If I have a fear of clowns, and a clown is walking down the street, and I attack it out of fear-am I let off the hook because I'm afraid of clowns?
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East Bay jogger kills 15-pound pug with a kick
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What. Of COURSE it's his fault. Are you fucking kidding me? If I have a fear of clowns, and a clown is walking down the street, and I attack it out of fear-am I let off the hook because I'm afraid of clowns?
I'm just glad people in my area keep their dogs on a leash when they are walking them on the sidewalk. Small dogs bark at me all the time and chase me, as long as they are small I don't feel that they are a threat.
Bigger dogs don't get that same treatment from me. if it's not on a leash I will defend myself, I was bit twice and it is not a pleasant experience.
Honestly people, keep your dogs on a leash if you are in are in a public area and not a dog park.
Bigger dogs don't get that same treatment from me. if it's not on a leash I will defend myself, I was bit twice and it is not a pleasant experience.
Honestly people, keep your dogs on a leash if you are in are in a public area and not a dog park.
yes
just explain how scared you were despite the clown doing nothing to suggest aggression
all will be forgiven
How the hell is that the same thing? Dogs are unpredictable. If you see something moving quickly at your feet, you are going to be surprised. As far as the guy knew at the moment, the dog could have been a pitbull. No one has time to identify the breed when they panic.
If someone came up behind you and shouted, "BOO!". You wouldn't jump?
Squirrel Killer
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Actually, since it's such a small, harmless dog, you need to wait until the dog bites you three times. Chihuahuas can bite you four times. You can kick pit bulls after one bite, but that's breedist and I'm advocating to allow them at least two bites.
Perfect analogy, especially with how clowns are always running up to people and barking at them.
You're suggesting a person is incapable of overcoming their personal fears and shouldn't be held accountable for hurting a creature. As if that somehow resolves them of any personal responsibility. Dude-come on.
oh my
you're seriously suggesting he could have potentially mistook it for a pitbull? I can't.
If you're sitting on a train, something quickly grabs you by the leg and you react my moving it. It turns out you've kicked someone's kid in the face. Is that your fault?
Chairmanchuck
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But you cant overcome personal fears in a matter of seconds. Whether that guy has a phobia or not, I dont know and I guess not.
But there are people like that and if you see, like some other poster said, some small thing running up to you, you dont react reasonable and assess the situation.
yes?
SocksAndShoes
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The owner is irresponsible for not leashing her dog.
The jogger is irresponsible because he mortally wounded a small dog when he could have maneuvered around it.
I don't get why we have to assign blame to one party or the other...Can't we just say they both made bad choices?
The jogger is irresponsible because he mortally wounded a small dog when he could have maneuvered around it.
I don't get why we have to assign blame to one party or the other...Can't we just say they both made bad choices?
And if this goes to court, she has absolutely no chance.
This pug wasn't vicious (no bite) and I think that is required by Cali state law for the jogger to destroy the dog. The jogger seems like he is in the wrong here but I am just a layman:
https://www.animallaw.info/statute/ca-dogs-consolidated-dog-laws
The pug deserves justice, RIP
https://www.animallaw.info/statute/ca-dogs-consolidated-dog-laws
The pug deserves justice, RIP
So it's not the parent's fault who should have been watching the kid? It's your fault for your basic human instinct which is ingrained into your mind to kick in? I don't even....
I seriously, seriously hope you never end up in court.
Shpeshal Nick
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Yeah I'd jump. Not punch.
Yes. It is. "I was surprised" isn't a murder defense. What if you have a phobia of people?
Mattdaddy
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...yes!
God you just kickstarted old childhood nightmares I thought had been suppressed. Thanks for the insomnia!
it's both.
but I'm also not going to kick something A)hard enough to kill it & B) do so without checking just what it is
Chairmanchuck
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I can just say anything about german law (have a german law degree) but in that case, yeah.
The attacker could plead for self-defense and he wouldnt be at fault, because he reacted out of fear.
I'm not talking about "in court". I'm talking in general. If you react like a normal human being, that is not your fault. You don't have time to think and your body reacts. Maybe that's why leash laws are in place?
PaperFlame
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I dont understand why you would hurt a little dog because it bit you, even if it hurts? You make it sound like it's the end of the world.
Imagine hitting a kid if he bit you. Do you think that's wrong because it's pretty much the same thing when you hit a dog.
Have you ever been around a dog because when a dog barks and chases you, it's not going to bite you, it's way of greeting. It's when a dog growls at you as you get closer, that's when a dog will snap and attack you.
WrenchNinja
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It sounds like it's the owner's fault for not leashing the dog.
Chairmanchuck
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A lot of people dont vaccinate their dog, because it costs money.
(Most dont even register it)
A lot of people in this thread just seem afraid of dogs. But even if I was being "chased" by a small dog, I wouldn't try to hit it. I understand a bite hurts and it might bleed, be in most cases we are a lot bigger and capable or severely injuring the animal. I don't think a bite from a small dog is really THAT big of a deal.
Subpar Spatula
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Jogger is jogging.
Dog runs up to jogger.
Jogger kicks dog away because doesn't know if it's friendly or not (do you take the risk?)
Dog dies from kick
Seems like an accident.
Size of the dog matters? Dogs can do damage. They bite hard. Ever legit been attacked by a dog and not played with? Don't speak. Dogs do a lot of damage even if they're small.
Moral of the story? Keep dog on leash because not every one will not find your dog cute and cuddly but dangerous.
Dog runs up to jogger.
Jogger kicks dog away because doesn't know if it's friendly or not (do you take the risk?)
Dog dies from kick
Seems like an accident.
Size of the dog matters? Dogs can do damage. They bite hard. Ever legit been attacked by a dog and not played with? Don't speak. Dogs do a lot of damage even if they're small.
Moral of the story? Keep dog on leash because not every one will not find your dog cute and cuddly but dangerous.
Risible
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My dog (a border collie/heeler mix, not a huge dog by any means) routinely chews through Nyla bones, which are hard as rocks. Do you really want something with that kind of jaw force chomping on you?
Ragnorok64
Member
I'm not going to sit around and let an animal actively bit my body because it's not the "end of the world." Small dogs and still draw blood, slice open your leg, or grab an achilles tendon or something.
I'm ignoring the 2nd part because I'm super tired of these dog=kid analogies.
Risible
Member
Yes, that's exactly what I'm advocating. Stop with the hyperbole. The point is that any dog can give you a nasty bite, and that you should leash your pet.
Bobby Roberts
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From the article:
Italics mine. Whatever that was, it wasn't all pug.
Also, the source there comes from the winning lawyer's website, http://www.padogattacklawyer.com/
shacklesmcgee
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I'm calling shenanigans, as I can't really find one google search result for "pug attacks" or "pug bites"
no one is saying otherwise?
sharkmuncher
Member
People act weird when afraid.
No, punting a dog down the street is in no way a reasonable response, but I've had a raccoon "appear" right in front of me when running and it freaks you the fuck out. Like many people in this thread have stated, I love dogs, but as a runner, you sometimes zone out and if you all of the sudden see something right in front of you, you make split second decisions, not always the best. We will never know what happened since its a he-said, she-said (literally), but I know of a few instances where a dog has appeared right in front of me, and while I didn't kick it, I made very not graceful shuffles and tripped a few times getting out of the way. I don't blame the dog, but just saying its easy to get into a split second decision situation. Also, for the people saying "the dog dies, he must have kicked it down the street, then stomped on its spine," I "killed" my best friend's cat when I was a kid by picking it up. It had a heart condition that was not known at the time and the stress of me picking it up killed it (I was 10 and apparently terrifying to cats). So yes, a stressful tumble across the sidewalk could kill a small animal, no futbol goooooooooooooooooal action necessary.
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this crap was called out how many times in this thread already? a kid isn't a friggin dog, dude. quit trying to make "dog=kid" happen! smh at 'unprovoked' read already
what? they can barely chew their food [or so I've been told] how on earth did that pug bite that person everything I've ever been told is a lie.
Yeah, it is:
Seems a weird expectation for people feeling threatened by dogs to essentially:
- Assume the dog won't bite
- Assume it doesn't have rabies or other diseases
- Withstand a bite and the inconvenience of waiting weeks for it to heal
- Potentially going to the hospital
- Potentially reporting your bite to appropriate state organizations
- Dealing with the owner in all of the above
People act weird when afraid.
In this video the man in the red shirt is responsible.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
following the link back to the website (PA Dog Attack Laywer dot com) the dog in question isn't a pure pug, but a mixed breed dog with pug in it.
The picture of the mutt bite is sorta irrelevant anyway because the pug never actually bit the jogger.
Does it do that in one bite? Because that's all the chance it would have to bite me in the first place. I know they can bite hard, but I'd rather take a hit then possible kill the thing. But I guess I've been around dogs enough that I know how to handle them. This jogger obviously doesn't know how to.
Snowman shoulda not lost his balance though so thats on him. 50-50 dawg.
True.
Also true.
Now do those 2 facts justify kicking the shit out of a dog just in case?
Majima Everywhere System
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Shouldn't exist in the first place, little mutants/man's hubris.
WrenchNinja
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When is a person supposed to be provoked? While an animal is running at them or after the animal bites them?
I say we take off, and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...
:/
Again, you're making it sound like it was some kind of calculated thing. People react irrationally when they are caught off guard. That's one of the reasons dogs are required to be leashed. We don't even know if the kick was intentional. For all we know he fumbled or jumped and hit the dog in the face with his leg.
Keep your pets leashed, it pisses me off when people assume everyone loves your damn pets as much as you do. I'm allergic to dogs, I don't particularly like them. Keep them to yourself. That said, I truly feel bad the dog died - I'm sure that's hard for her.
As for the kick argument, I'd definitely run away as a first reaction, but would kick it just like a squirrel or some other random animal if it actually bit me.
As for the kick argument, I'd definitely run away as a first reaction, but would kick it just like a squirrel or some other random animal if it actually bit me.
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