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Roussow

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Primethius said:
Thanks! I'll check it out.

Edit: Yea, that was pretty much me. I agree with Damianis comments near the end too regard how predictable some of the plot points and especially twists were.
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Fair play, the only part that really had me miffed was the
going to Youtube to watch the ending, if there's one part of any game that really takes advantage of being a videogame, with you being the player -- it's that part. I know he went back and completed ending E himself after he watched it, but the impact is just completely lost.
Vague Automata Spoilers in those tags.
 
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Primethius

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Roussow said:
Fair play, the only part that really had me miffed was the
going to Youtube to watch the ending, if there's one part of any game that really takes advantage of being a videogame, with you being the player -- it's that part. I know he went back and completed ending E himself after he watched it, but the impact is just completely lost.
Vague Automata Spoilers in those tags.
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Yea, I can definitely understand that. Though I do feel in cases like Nier, where getting the ending sometimes requires searching up info online, the video game medium isn't used particularly well. So I see your view but I also understand the frustration that might be compounded upon from not enjoying the game plus having to get details in acquiring the final ending online or from other folks.
 
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Nasbin

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Roussow said:
It's hard to clarify as a single reaction, here's a link to it with a time-stamp, although you might have to watch at least the next ten minutes and skim around a bit after that.

Don't click that fucking link if you haven't played Nier: Automata, big spoilers!
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I should be upset that the game bounced off Damiani but his reaction is actually so funny in context with what that moment represents that I kind of love it. It turns out,
you can fail the credits. The human spirit is subject to a real test, whether you delete your save data or even manage to persevere to see the true ending, and not everybody passes.
That's great.
 
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dickroach

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I thought the Good Friends DLC that Bit Trip Runner 2 had a few years ago was awesome, but only because it was so... why-the-hell-not-it's-a-weird-game.
any game with any type of a story though, it feels out of place. like, you spent the time to build your own new, unique world with your own new, unique characters... it feels out of place having other characters thrown in there.
that roster of guest characters for Indivisible is pretty awesome tho.

and that Firemen game from the new Easy Update looks really, really cool.
 
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Hasney

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Huh, them talking about The Firemen not coming out in the US confused me because I was sure I completed that (and loved it) back in the day. Turns out it was one of those weird games that came out in Europe and Japan but not the US.

I would play it if you can. It's Human's second best ever game behind Fire Pro.
 
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Budi

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luchadork said:
what kind of perspective are you expecting from the 16yo chie best waifu / anime club guys? i think you might be disappointed. anyway, isnt part of the appeal of these games the hot teen schoolgirls? i dont have a problem with it.
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To both of your questions, I don't know, that's why I want to hear it. Kyle didn't seem to like Morgana creeping atleast and Ian criticized the Ann storyline. But the bigger fans of the series ofcourse could feel differently and clearly atleast on the case of Ann they did. Disagreements make a good discussion. And for the hot schoolgirl stuff, my impression has been that the social links are a big part of the game. But I didn't know how questionable this stuff can be, peeking under skirts and such. You can have teens dating or crushing in a game without it getting creepy or overly sexualizing your characters. One example that comes to mind that deals with teen relationship is Life is strange, though they might be 18 already? But even if they were the game deals with school time crush. I thought because of the praise Persona gets, it wouldn't go to a direction that games like Criminal Girls (exaggerated example) goes.

Life is Strange spoilers:
Ofcourse I'm not talking about Jefferson when I say it isn't creepy. But Jefferson is the villain of the story and his actions are clearly condenmed in the game, not encouraged. With the impression I now have about Persona, I wouldn't be surprised if in Persona you and the cat would do things similar as Jefferson in a quest (without the killing) and the game would play it as something that's supposed to be funny and cool.

Roussow said:
Oh man, seeing how Damiani finished Automata was one of the most disappointing fucking things I've seen, man, that was like one of the worst possible ways to experience that ending, damn. I don't want to be super shitty to Damiani, it's fine that he didn't super love it, I'm sorry if this comes off as too mean, but after seeing people like Liam from RisingSuperStream have profound reaction to the conclusion, seeing something like this was just a shame considering how much I enjoyed the game.
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I still haven't played Nier Automata, but I intend to so I'm not fully aware what you are talking about and don't want to know yet. But you reminded me of Damiani streaming Inside. He wasn't hugely impressed on that game either in the end, even though he did say it was a good game. It was a bit bummer to see his underwhelmed reaction, because personally I was quite blown away by the game. But as you said people can and will feel differently.
 
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Holundrian

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wmlk said:
He's still very much in between. That's the crux of the problem that Kyle has with it. Ben acknowledged it too during the stream, where they try to establish him as a blank stlate but clearly he's more of a character than P4MC and P3MC as shown in the game.
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Kind of disagree with that part it's kind of about the same really. You generally have the blank slate answers but then your third option is generally more seeped into the personality presented.
P3 was introverted and more of a lone wolf character.
P4 was kind of stoic and straight man/deadpan.
P5 is very jester like, with the jokes being able to be interpreted as somewhat smart or really dumb.

On Damiani's Nier playthrough, haven't had the time yet to check the last part out but sounds like(super spoilery about ending E and several sidequest)
he deleted his save? Probably not going to go back then. A bit of a shame really, I could have missed some stuff(I missed a few parts during B) but also because I think that Damiani played Nier too, I was really hoping on his thoughts on certain stuff related to that but of course also generally all the smaller things.
Like the desert being the remnants of Facade and how that story ended with the country killing their king. Taro's likely mockery of people playing Nier:A and going all philosophy minor just constantly requoting Philosophers. Engels and the possibly underlying statement regarding contemplation. The game maker in the basement and the comedic criticism of game development. Etc etc really. It's really all the little things.
Guess I'll start making my peace with it.
Kyle and Damiani doing Guardians was pretty amazing though.
Sincerely believe his Thanos losing his memory pitch and befriending the guardians and it all becoming some kind of weird comedy is more entertaining than the entirety of EP1 of Telltale Guardians.
 
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Deimo5

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Budi said:
Life is Strange spoilers:
Ofcourse I'm not talking about Jefferson when I say it isn't creepy. But Jefferson is the villain of the story and his actions are clearly condenmed in the game, not encouraged. With the impression I now have about Persona, I wouldn't be surprised if in Persona you and the cat would do things similar as Jefferson in a quest and the game would play it as something that's supposed to be funny and cool.
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Yo that is a pretty big jump there. How well do you know Persona?
 
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Kneefoil

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dickroach said:
I thought the Good Friends DLC that Bit Trip Runner 2 had a few years ago was awesome, but only because it was so... why-the-hell-not-it's-a-weird-game.
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It also helps that that's just DLC. That's a lot easier to dismiss as fun fanservice than when the guest characters are tied into the main game.

I mean, guest appearances in the main game are supposed to be that too, but when it's DLC, it doesn't feel like these characters canonically exist in the same world.

Budi said:
To both of your questions, I don't know, that's why I want to hear it. Kyle didn't seem to like Morgana creeping atleast and Ian criticized the Ann storyline. But the bigger fans of the series ofcourse could feel differently and clearly atleast on the case of Ann they did. Disagreements make a good discussion. And for the hot schoolgirl stuff, my impression has been that the social links are a big part of the game. But I didn't know how questionable this stuff can be, peeking under skirts and such. You can have teens dating or crushing in a game without it getting creepy or overly sexualizing your characters. One example that comes to mind that deals with teen relationship is Life is strange, though they might be 18 already? But even if they were the game deals with school time crush. I thought because of the praise Persona gets, it wouldn't go to a direction that games like Criminal Girls (exaggerated example) goes.

Life is Strange spoilers:
Ofcourse I'm not talking about Jefferson when I say it isn't creepy. But Jefferson is the villain of the story and his actions are clearly condenmed in the game, not encouraged. With the impression I now have about Persona, I wouldn't be surprised if in Persona you and the cat would do things similar as Jefferson in a quest and the game would play it as something that's supposed to be funny and cool.
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I think you have a pretty twisted mental image of Persona, if you think the games would ever do anything like your LiS example. The perverted anime highschooler hijinx always end up being fairly innocent, and not really harmful for anyone other than the perverted characters themselves.
 
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Budi

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Deimo5 said:
Yo that is a pretty big jump there. How well do you know Persona?
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Not that well but I've been trying to learn lately. There definitely was pedophilia played as quirk in Persona 4. https://youtu.be/7R01Orqf054?t=572 I have no furthrer context if these women get arrested later on in the game or something, are they enemies in a boss fight? The adults are villains in these games I've heard someone saying, is that true? The tone of the dialogue, voice acting, music, everything in that scene makes light of the situation. Yes, it's a joke, it's presented as a funny thing. I get that but that's exactly why people find it questionable. My lack of knowledge is the biggest reason I want EZA to talk about this. These issues have been brought up twice in their different videos now, but it always ends short because of spoilers.

http://www.gameskinny.com/phcec/why-the-funny-pervert-stereotype-needs-to-go Here's a decent article I found while trying to research these issues regarding Persona. Though the article isn't specifically about Persona, it gets a mention. And seems to be about the tropes I'm also talking about.

Kneefoil said:
I think you have a pretty twisted mental image of Persona, if you think the games would ever do anything like your LiS example. The perverted anime highschooler hijinx always end up being fairly innocent, and not really harmful for anyone other than the perverted characters themselves.
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Sure this might be true, I'd want the Allies to set me straight. People in that GAF thread didn't do good job in it. Since the comments were "I have no problem with it". People don't seem to be always disagreeing. There were posters who said they don't remember such happening, until they were reminded about it.

Edit: Also, I personally like Witcher and Leisure Suit Larry for example. So it's not that I'm against sex or sexual themes in games overall. But that the characters are indeed underage, extra care should go into how they are portrayed. And Larry is a sleazy horndog himself, but atleast I don't remember (haven't played all of the titles and anything after 7 isn't part of that) him violating anyone by looking under their skirt or anything that would considered as sexual harassment if happened in real life. He is trying to pick up women and his pick up lines and confident attitude is the joke. And he is portrayed as a loser, not some hero we should admire. Witcher and Larry games definitely have more nudity and straight up sex than Persona, it's all about the tone and context. But I'm currently missing the justifications in Persona. And I have mild criticism about the portrayal of women in Witcher 3, while overall I think they did really good job with the characterizations and will defend the game from accusations of it being sexist. But this isn't about Witcher 3 so I wont go there now.

I'm not really in a position to bash Persona since I haven't played those games and haven't seen and heard enough, that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to learn. I've been just really surprised about all this, since I haven't been aware of it until few days ago. All I'm trying to do is explain where my suprisement comes from when I've mentioned the things I'm aware of.
 
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Mista Koo

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TheDarkKnight774 said:
Ugh guess I can't bring up the patreon page on my work computer anymore. There's someone posting in the comments with a flashing naked drawn lady icon :/ and another that looks like a twitter hot girl bot posting spam links in the community section
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If you use an ad blocker you can block individual images.
 
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Kneefoil

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Budi said:
Sure this might be true, I'd want the Allies to set me straight. People in that GAF thread didn't do good job in it. Since the comments were "I have no problem with it". People don't seem to be always disagreeing. There were posters who said they don't remember such happening, until they were reminded about it.

Edit: Also, I personally like Witcher and Leisure Suit Larry for example. So it's not that I'm against sex in games overall. But that the characters are indeed underage, extra care should go into how they are portrayed. And Larry is a sleazy horndog himself, but atleast I don't remember him violating anyone by looking under their skirts and such. He is trying to pick up women and his pick up lines and confident attitude is the joke. And he is portrayed as a loser, not some hero we should admire. Witcher and Larry games definitely have more nudity and straight up sex than Persona, it's all about the tone and context. But I'm currently missing the justifications in Persona. And I have mild criticism about the portrayal of women in Witcher 3, while overall I think they did really good job with the characterizations and will defend the game from accusations of it being sexist. But this isn't about Witcher 3 so I wont go there now.

I'm not really in a position to bash Persona since I haven't played those games and haven't seen and heard enough, that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to learn. I've been just really surprised about all this, since I haven't been aware of it until few days ago. All I'm trying to do is explain where my suprisement comes from when I've mentioned the things I'm aware of.
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I think something that should be taken into consideration, is that the age of consent differs from region to region. In some places it's 18, but in most of Europe or Japan, for example, the main Persona characters are legal age in that regard, and the games do take place in Japan. If you think that Atlus should also take into consideration places where the age is higher, I think that's a fair criticism, because these games do have a global audience. But if you were to say that putting these fictional characters in these types of situations is undoubtedly wrong, I wouldn't think that's entirely fair due to cultural and regional differences.

And while these characters end up being heroes, they are usually flawed in some ways, and I think that Junpei, Yosuke, and Teddie having perverse sides to them is a part of each of their flaws. They have heroic moments, but in the moments where they get excited about girls, they are certainly not depicted someone you should admire. Instead they come off as total dorks and butts of the joke.

A lot of high schoolers in real life are also sometimes pervs, to be fair. Kind of comes with the territory of being a teenager.

Although these moments can sometimes be quite funny, I personally wouldn't mind if Atlus got rid of these elements from future games. The characters are already interesting in other ways. I can't say I'm really against keeping them in the games either, though, but I do understand that some people may have an issue with them. Different folks coming from different backgrounds, and whatnot.
 
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Budi

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Kneefoil said:
I think something that should be taken into consideration, is that the age of consent differs from region to region. In some places it's 18, but in most of Europe or Japan, for example, the main Persona characters are legal age in that regard, and the games do take place in Japan. If you think that Atlus should also take into consideration places where the age is higher, I think that's a fair criticism, because these games do have a global audience. But if you were to say that putting these fictional characters in these types of situations is undoubtedly wrong, I wouldn't think that's entirely fair due to cultural and regional differences.
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This isn't EZA (not that much even Persona) related at all though and doesn't belong in the thread, but you brought the real life issues up so I respond. So people please feel free to skip this post.

Yes you are correct.

The Japanese Penal Code sets a minimal age of consent of 13 regardless of gender or sexual orientation.[45] However, the Children Welfare Act chapter 34 forbids any act of "fornication" (淫行) with children (here defined as anyone under 18 years of age)[46] with prefectures and districts specifying further details in (largely similar) "obscenity ordinances" (淫行条例) like adding exemptions for sex in the context of a sincere romantic relationship (typically determined by parental approval).

And yes I find it very questionable that Japan banned the possession of child pornography just 2014. And producing and distribution in 1999. Shit like that shouldn't take so long in civilized society. Cultural differences be damned. I can't imagine you defending child wives because of different culture. Some things really should be universal, like condemning any harming or taking advantage of children. Laws and regulations need to be in place to prevent that from happening. And in Japan this happened partly because of international pressure, I call that a win. Maybe somebody thinks differently and sees it as forced westernization of a culture. I see it as human decency.

But with this we are getting very far away from what is presented in Persona games. But just to get my point through, cultural differences wont always make stuff acceptable. And anything that feeds into fetishization of schoolgirls should be reconsidered. Stuff in Persona isn't clearly as damning or problematic compared to the real life issues affecting Japan (and I'm no expert), but it can be a by-product of it.

Aaand anyway, my intention wasn't to get into this discussion myself. I just wanted to hear EZA talk about it, so I shared my wishes here because they follow the thread. This is getting out of hand, so I'd much rather drop it at this point. I don't want to argue with people who have much more knowledge about the game than me. I'd rather sit aside and listen others debate it.

But thanks to all who have tried to clarify these situations in the game for me, I appreciate it.

Edit: Just to make myself perfectly clear before anyone jumps the gun, I'm not equating Persona to pornography or child abuse. That I brought up only because of the mentioned cultural differences.
 
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Kneefoil

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My intention wasn't really getting into a debate either. You wrote that the main reason you wanted EZA to talk about it was that you yourself weren't very knowledgeable of the series, so I thought I'd just give you my own more informed perspective, since the Allies themselves have never really shown much interest in diving deep into sensitive topics like politics or sexualization in the past. At least that's how I've seen it. I guess my messages may have come off a bit differently, though.

L&R
 
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Zanzura

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Well, if there's one thing positive I can point to about Damiani's NieR stream, it's that I look forward to Ben's reaction to what happened there. Assuming it's brought up anyway.
 
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Budi

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Kneefoil said:
My intention wasn't really getting into a debate either. You wrote that the main reason you wanted EZA to talk about it was that you yourself weren't very knowledgeable of the series, so I thought I'd just give you my own more informed perspective, since the Allies themselves have never really shown much interest in diving deep into sensitive topics like politics or sexualization in the past. At least that's how I've seen it. I guess my messages may have come off a bit differently, though.

L&R
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I personally do like to participate in and follow big, complex and even controversial topics. And good debate is something I really love. But regarding Persona I can't have that debate myself. So I apologize if people feel that I've somehow grossly misjudged their character for loving these games or something like that. Not my intention at all. Much of it just comes from my ignorance about the game, I've been trying to puzzle the pieces together though.

So are there any towns in Persona 5?
 
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Holundrian

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WarRock said:
P3 MC isn't a lone wolf, he is a straight up jerk. Some of the responses you can give, lol.
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That's kind of part of the anime archetype though? Lone wolfs are emotionally cold and averse to connections and have to warm up to them, making them generally be assholes at first and somewhat less so later.
Vegeta, Kaiba, Hiei, Hibari, Sasuke, etc etc etc. I'm sure there are examples of non jerk lone wolfs but I also think being a jerk is a rather common trait for that character type.
 
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ShadyK54

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Zanzura said:
Well, if there's one thing positive I can point to about Damiani's NieR stream, it's that I look forward to Ben's reaction to what happened there. Assuming it's brought up anyway.
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I think Brad brought it up during the Gundam stream? Or read something from chat about it, I'm not sure. Could be wrong.

Hasney said:
Y'all talk about Kyles take on Persona 5 and ignore Brandons evil puzzle piece stealing. smh.
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Yeah, wtf is that all about lmao. That's some weirdness if I've ever heard it.
 
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Roussow

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Zanzura said:
...Damiani's NieR stream, it's that I look forward to Ben's reaction to what happened there...
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ShadyK54 said:
I think Brad brought it up during the Gundam stream? Or read something from chat about it, I'm not sure. Could be wrong.
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If anyone who watched the Gundam stream can grab me a time-stamp for this (if it was discussed) it would be much appreciated, I don't quite have time for most streams these days, I have to skim through archives mostly -- thank god for the podcasts that I can listen to at work.
 
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Budi

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So another bit of feedback, not as controversial I hope =)

As I earlier said I still hadn't shared my thoughts on Hall of Greats so I do it now, before the next episode.

Loved it, everyone got their piece in since Damiani, Brad and Huber prepared the videos too. I appreciate it. But extra credit to Bloodworth for "skyping" in. Still I hope that in future it's possible to get everyone on the stream and be present for a wider and better debate.

The quality of discussion pleased me too, except I maybe wanted bit more time for the Q&A atleast. I think Ben also suggested that they should extend it with just few minutes. Would be great. Kyle coming in with hard hitting Bloodborne critiques, more of that please. Even when it wasn't necessarily his own personal critique, but parroting voices online. I don't only want to hear what is good in a game, like "it has best combat" "excellent story" "cool bosses" but what makes these specifics great. Same goes for critique too ofcourse, how is something bad, please describe.

I also hope we don't see same games every time until they get inducted, like I'm afraid that Bloodborne and Dark Souls will be. I'm not arguing against them, but I wish that there will be a cooldown period. It makes for a better show to hear new arguments for different games. But games shouldn't be left out of Hall of Greats infinitely just because those may have failed to get in the first time.

Essentially, Hall of Greats was something I wanted GOTY talk to be. Which I was a bit dissappointed by. Ofcourse this is greatly helped that the games discussed are classics, people have more experience with them than they might have with games released last/current year. And I think this was a Kyle Bosman initiative? So thanks Kyle, excellent idea! Discussion streams are something I welcome with open arms.
 
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WarRock

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Holundrian said:
That's kind of part of the anime archetype though? Lone wolfs are emotionally cold and averse to connections and have to warm up to them, making them generally be assholes at first and somewhat less so later.
Vegeta, Kaiba, Hiei, Hibari, Sasuke, etc etc etc. I'm sure there are examples of non jerk lone wolfs but I also think being a jerk is a rather common trait for that character type.
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I guess, but he felt more like an almost sadistic meanie for the sake of being mean than the lone wolf that ends up being a jerk/sarcastic. The axe guy felt more like the anime archetype than the MC to me.
 
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Auctopus

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Budi said:
I also hope we don't see same games every time until they get inducted, like I'm afraid that Bloodborne and Dark Souls will be. I'm not arguing against them, but I wish that there will be a cooldown period. It makes for a better show to hear new arguments for different games. But games shouldn't be left out of Hall of Greats infinitely just because those may have failed to get in the first time.
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I'm not really a huge fan of HoG anyway but I definitely think there should be a cool down period of at least one discussion.
 
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Brian_FETO

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TheDarkKnight774 said:
Ugh guess I can't bring up the patreon page on my work computer anymore. There's someone posting in the comments with a flashing naked drawn lady icon :/ and another that looks like a twitter hot girl bot posting spam links in the community section
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Wow wtf, I didn't know that

I only saw the email

I haven't seen it in Patreon but the Twitter bot stuff is the absolute worst
 
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TheDarkKnight774

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Brian_FETO said:
Wow wtf, I didn't know that

I only saw the email

I haven't seen it in Patreon but the Twitter bot stuff is the absolute worst
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Yea one seems to be someone trying to indirectly promote their patreon supported porn game since they have only have posted on open EZA posts. The other replies to every community post with some link I refuse to click.

Actually as I look closer at some others they have spammy ones as well from others. This didn't happen before but in the last like day it's all over the place. I guess as patreon as a whole grows the grossness of the Internet follows.

I'd recommend locking down all posts to $1 patrons until other measures can be found.
 
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Nasbin

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Budi said:
I still haven't played Nier Automata, but I intend to so I'm not fully aware what you are talking about and don't want to know yet. But you reminded me of Damiani streaming Inside. He wasn't hugely impressed on that game either in the end, even though he did say it was a good game. It was a bit bummer to see his underwhelmed reaction, because personally I was quite blown away by the game. But as you said people can and will feel differently.
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Something I've learned from Twitch is that streamers have a harder time engaging with narrative driven games when it's their first playthrough. Chat is too distracting and it becomes much harder to lose yourself in something when you're constantly bombarded with outside information and monitoring for trolls. Imagine someone watching a movie for the first time who's constantly checking their phone and it's easy to see why they might just shrug their shoulders at the end.

This isn't a hard rule, and I'm not saying Damiani would have loved either game otherwise, but I do think streaming your first playthrough of a game like Nier is one of the worst possible ways to experience it.
 
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Budi

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Nasbin said:
Something I've learned from Twitch is that streamers have a harder time engaging with narrative driven games when it's their first playthrough. Chat is too distracting and it becomes much harder to lose yourself in something when you're constantly bombarded with outside information and monitoring for trolls. Imagine someone watching a movie for the first time who's constantly checking their phone and it's easy to see why they might just shrug their shoulders at the end.

This isn't a hard rule, and I'm not saying Damiani would have loved either game otherwise, but I do think streaming your first playthrough of a game like Nier is one of the worst possible ways to experience it.
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Excellent point, haven't really thought of that but it does make perfect sense.
 
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Bloodworth

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TheDarkKnight774 said:
Yea one seems to be someone trying to indirectly promote their patreon supported porn game since they have only have posted on open EZA posts. The other replies to every community post with some link I refuse to click.

Actually as I look closer at some others they have spammy ones as well from others. This didn't happen before but in the last like day it's all over the place. I guess as patreon as a whole grows the grossness of the Internet follows.

I'd recommend locking down all posts to $1 patrons until other measures can be found.
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I cleaned up the comments on the main posts, but for some dumb reason Patreon doesn't allow me to delete comments on Community posts even though the poster is blocked.
 
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Holundrian said:
No they didn't. They committed to playing it during the launch week.
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Ultimadrago said:
Hah, as I recall they only promised to get it and play it. It's a 70+ hr. RPG (on the lower side), you gotta be fair~
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Brandon: "Now if I get this game Huber and I jump in, I'm not gonna bail because I don't like the story. I'm not gonna bail because some characters are doing some weird stuff. Am I gonna be so overwhelmed and confused?"

Huber: "No."

Brad: "No."

Kyle: "Jones we're playing it on easy. We're playing it on easy!"

That sounds like commitment to me guys. Check the tape! Lawyer Blood get in here!
I'm of course joking though, Kyle can do whatever he wants. L&R.
 
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Holundrian

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Barajas_201 said:
Brandon: "Now if I get this game Huber and I jump in, I'm not gonna bail because I don't like the story. I'm not gonna bail because some characters are doing some weird stuff. Am I gonna be so overwhelmed and confused?"

Huber: "No."

Brad: "No."

Kyle: "Jones we're playing it on easy. We're playing it on easy!"

That sounds like commitment to me guys. Check the tape! Lawyer Blood get in here!
I'm of course joking though, Kyle can do whatever he wants. L&R.
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Quoting out of context you can misrepresent a lot of things.

How do you just ignore the clarifications seconds before that or Huber specifically framing his goal(at the start of the podcast)?
https://youtu.be/l9vMQUeV6Fo?t=47m
 
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Zanzura

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Nasbin said:
Something I've learned from Twitch is that streamers have a harder time engaging with narrative driven games when it's their first playthrough. Chat is too distracting and it becomes much harder to lose yourself in something when you're constantly bombarded with outside information and monitoring for trolls. Imagine someone watching a movie for the first time who's constantly checking their phone and it's easy to see why they might just shrug their shoulders at the end.

This isn't a hard rule, and I'm not saying Damiani would have loved either game otherwise, but I do think streaming your first playthrough of a game like Nier is one of the worst possible ways to experience it.
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It doesn't help that chat often ruins moments with "non-spoiler spoilers" (pretty sure Huber talked about and used this very term back at GT) with comments and emotes before crucial moments. Things like, "oh the feels" or BibleThump spam. I don't know if Damiani actually had moments ruined from things like that, but having chat open for a game like NieR can potentially ruin a lot of it. There are points in the game where you have to make a choice and leaving some of those to viewers removes the emotional weight of them from the player. Then again, it all depends on the player. For some people, the events in NieR just won't resonate with them no matter what. It's hard for me to say streaming affected Damiani in any way since I only watched portions of it and participated in it briefly. Personally I would never do it, the thought of having other people tell me what to do or seeing a bunch of crying emotes in my peripheral vision just before a story event would drive me nuts. I'd rather shut the chat window down and make it a non-interactive stream.
 
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Elfforkusu

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Finally listening to the podcast.

I agree with Kyle and Brandon about the NES Mini, they never intended it to be a long term thing.

I think it's not too hard to make a business case for discontinuing it, FWIW
 
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Bahorel

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Budi said:
Life is Strange spoilers:
Ofcourse I'm not talking about Jefferson when I say it isn't creepy. But Jefferson is the villain of the story and his actions are clearly condenmed in the game, not encouraged. With the impression I now have about Persona, I wouldn't be surprised if in Persona you and the cat would do things similar as Jefferson in a quest (without the killing) and the game would play it as something that's supposed to be funny and cool.
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I haven't played Persona so I have no way to contribute to that but I just wanted to say I really do appreciate how Life Is Strange went that dark. I didn't think that something as deceptively colorful and stylized as Life Is Strange would go that direction narratively, or that games in general would go that far because normally the forms of evil come in more obvious shapes. And with this it's real world, and much more intimate and I would like to see more games that deal with these sort of stories (in a way I feel like LA Noire gave that kick for me too, although not as much).

I don't know if there are many more games with real world
murderers/serial killers (spoiler tagging for Jefferson)
and are as well handled as Life Is Strange but there was something about it that had a huge emotional impact for me.
 
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ArkhamFantasy

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$1499 away from Trailer Score, if they get another E3 bump like they did last year its happening.

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abrack08

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Mario Maker stream will be great, my only worry is 30 minutes for each team to create isn't enough time to make a decent level. But I've never actually made a Mario Maker level so maybe it's pretty easy to do quickly?
 
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