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[Latvian Hitman]

dude. I'm not arguing specs.
I'm simply pointing that the article isn't portraying the xbone as weak at all and, in fact, says that the xbone could end up on top.
I wouldn't want you to feed your inner fanboy something that is actually defending the xbone when there are plenty of other places to get your fix.

The majority of the article is definitely portraying the XB1 as being weak compared to its competition. As a matter of fact, you could say that relaying that message is the entire point of the article's existence.

You're cherry-picking a single line from the article that it's author tacked on to throw a bone to MS. It's not like that statement is attributed to any of the article's sources.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

PS4's boot up music should be 'Hate Me Now' by Nas.

Fitting, he did release that on Sony music.

OT: developers will have to choose their approach to the power gap wisely. I suggest using each console to the max. Anything less is a disservice to the owner of either console

 

[Iacobellis]

I think the difference is £80 here in the UK, so as a base cost it is £80 cheaper. However I can't buy a game and the PS4 camera for £80 so for what's in the box it's not quite apples with apples.

It's all about upfront cost. PS3 was actually cheaper than the 360 once you factored in the Play & Charge Kit, Wi-Fi adapter, HD-DVD drive, and LIVE subscription.

 

[velociraptor]

In some ways yes. But this is mostly in assets, not so much in performance. The limited size of DVD and MS freaking out about multi disks did hold back some titles (FF 13 says hi) and what the could hold as far sound tracks, languages, HD movies and stuff like that. It stands to reason that maybe even some things like extra towns or other gameplay elements were held back or cut due to this.

Im sure early in the ps360 ear, 360 games were held back a bit because of devs trying to figure the Cell. So yes, the 360 held back games in some ways, and the ps3 probably help back games in other ways.

I really don't think so, because installations alleviated that issue. In terms of power, the PS3 and 360 were almost the same either way.

 

[Toki767]

Fitting, he did release that on Sony music.

OT: developers will have to choose their approach to the power gap wisely. I suggest using each console to the max. Anything less is a disservice to the owner of either console

That would probably require more time than they have considering they have under 2 months to finish these games and get them running at a good framerate.

 

[googleplex]

Isn't it a little late for people to still be getting angry to find out the PS4 is more powerful than the XBO, or that the PC destroys them both?

The PC does not destroy them both because the "PC" is not a product! There are SOME configurations of expensive CPU and over priced GPU and ram will get you high frame rates, resolution, and IQ.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

In some ways yes. But this is mostly in assets, not so much in performance. The limited size of DVD and MS freaking out about multi disks did hold back some titles (FF 13 says hi) and what the could hold as far sound tracks, languages, HD movies and stuff like that. It stands to reason that maybe even some things like extra towns or other gameplay elements were held back or cut due to this.

Im sure early in the ps360 ear, 360 games were held back a bit because of devs trying to figure the Cell. So yes, the 360 held back games in some ways, and the ps3 probably help back games in other ways.

If the game was bigger they shipped it on two or more discs, it wasn't an issue in the slightest.

 

[BadAss2961]

Has penello or nelson said anything yet?

Penello responded to some post that was completely unrelated to the article at hand.

That's it.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

That would probably require more time than they have considering they have under 2 months to finish these games and get them running at a good framerate.

I meant for games going forward

 

[bishoptl]

I think people are overreacting. Come launch day there will be some goal posting talking about wait till next year.

I've developed launch titles for 3 different gens now. You build to hit the window, not maximize the hardware. That comes later.

If you think

1- there will be no significant advances on either platform in the time after launch
2- hardware gaps won't make even more of a difference throughout the console cycle

Then you are either naive or just girding your e-loins for war.

 

[cyberheater]

from the article, PS4 seems like it runs identical codes much better. So my assumption was based on that.

The PS4 would have to be twice as powerful so your assumption is completely inaccurate.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Im not sure why you guys want penello or major nelson to reply since it will be pr anyways no point.

 

[Socky]

Currently on page 13. Two thoughts:

1) I expect many multi-plat launch games are less likely to show a difference between Xbox 1 and PS4 versions because they are cross-generation titles anyway, with mostly next-gen bells and whistles applied on top of a current gen core. Only when multi-plat games are natively designed for next-gen systems are we likely to see a concrete disparity.

2) If titles are developed on PS4 first, then released later on Xbox 1 (which might not happen much, but it happened on both systems this gen), that might show a significant difference because the game would be developed for the more powerful system first and then 'shoe-horned' into the less powerful.

 

[Chobel]

If the game was bigger they shipped it on two or more discs, it wasn't an issue in the slightest.

That doesn't work in open world games, see GTA4.

 

[maplelord93]

3 years later we are still going to be arguing which one is more powerful.

muti platform games will look identical, performance better on ps4 by a bit.

 

[IN&OUT]

Isn't it a little late for people to still be getting angry to find out the PS4 is more powerful than the XBO, or that the PC destroys them both?

See, the problem with those people is they usually grab some straw regarding PS4/X1 difference. so everytime this straw break they get angry and so on.

Examples of straws used so far:

Cloud
Dedicated Servers
Esram
12 CU (Most balanced shit ever)
Direct X yall
"Technical fellowes" Biatch!
Lowest common Denominator.
Optimization bro, X1 can be coded to da meta!
Audio man, next gen is AUDIO

the list goes on forever.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

No they don't cause some of them don't care about PC .

It doesn't make sense to you that 'graphic whores' would be interested in a gaming PC? My point wasn't that everyone would just buy a gaming PC- it's that those who would look at Ryse, Forza, Killzone and Infamous and find deficiency in the visuals in Ryse and Forza would be candidates for a gaming PC.

 

[googleplex]

I've developed launch titles for 3 different gens now. You build to hit the window, not maximize the hardware. That comes later.

If you think

1- there will be no significant advances on either platform in the time after launch
2- hardware gaps won't make even more of a difference throughout the console cycle

Then you are either naive or just girding your e-loins for war.

E-loins? That's a new one.

 

[RobotRocker]

Right, so if this is lies why wouldn't MS sue for liable and a retraction.

Don't want to disappoint you but they won't as they know they will lose. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place because if they
lose a case like that the negative press would be massive.

I never accused a single person of lying. I compared differing statements on the power from developers versus Edge's source. Yet you claiming lies and lawsuits and how I would be disappointed if they sued and lost. Maybe you should actually read the post before you fly off the handle and start lying about my intentions.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

Not once in any context is PC gaming mentioned in that article. No reason for PC versus console in here.

 

[Finalizer]

Bish throwin' the gauntlet.

I said gee golly.

 

[ghst]

The PC does not destroy them both because the "PC" is not a product! There are SOME configurations of expensive CPU and over priced GPU and ram will get you high frame rates, resolution, and IQ.

i'm surprised you managed to type this what with how much your hands are trembling.

 

[BrainZEROX]

I think the difference is £80 here in the UK, so as a base cost it is £80 cheaper. However I can't buy a game and the PS4 camera for £80 so for what's in the box it's not quite apples with apples.

Really? I ordered a PS4+PS Eye+additional DS4+Killzone Shadow Fall for 499€ which is XB1's price in France. UK probably has the same kind of bundles.

This bundle:

 

[googleplex]

Not once in any context is PC gaming mentioned in that article. No reason for PC versus console in here.

It's being mentioned for the same reason the "PC" has been brought into every console thread over the pass 6 months. Needless dick waving by PC elitist. And it's has gotten beyond tiresome.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

I've developed launch titles for 3 different gens now. You build to hit the window, not maximize the hardware. That comes later.

If you think

1- there will be no significant advances on either platform in the time after launch
2- hardware gaps won't make even more of a difference throughout the console cycle

Then you are either naive or just girding your e-loins for war.

1. When did I say I did not expect hardware advantages? Im 100% sure there will be but if you gotta tell me to go to DF to see it these adavntages must not be ao advantageous

2. Like i said I expect hardware advantages will be seen. But you got to be real if you think some of MS stuff will look absolutely lame compared to ps4 later. Will halo 5 honestley look like a dud? I seriously doubt that.

And nah im not to into the war im just telling it like it is. Ill be buying both consoles.

 

[NullPointer]

or just girding your e-loins for war.

I need this in gif form to truly behold the majesty of this turn of phrase.

And yeah, anybody expecting an MS comment here needs to know that ambushes don't work all that well if your prey can hear you snickering in the bushes beforehand.

 

[maplelord93]

It's being mentioned for the same reason the "PC" has been brought into every console thread over the pass 6 months. Needless dick waving by PC elitist. And it's has gotten beyond tiresome.

oh god.....

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

3 years later we are still going to be arguing which one is more powerful.

muti platform games will look identical, performance better on ps4 by a bit.

I highly doubt that. Any dialogue of power at that point will be blind fanboys (of whichever console had decidedly lost the generation). This isn't like past generations.

 

[Bundy]

I've developed launch titles for 3 different gens now. You build to hit the window, not maximize the hardware. That comes later.

If you think

1- there will be no significant advances on either platform in the time after launch
2- hardware gaps won't make even more of a difference throughout the console cycle

Then you are either naive or just girding your e-loins for war.

This x1000
I've posted that several times.
Teams are happy to meet the launch target. They have no time.
Wait for the second wave/2nd gen games, then the 3rd gen games, 4th gen games, etc.
The differences will get bigger and bigger.
At launch, you won't see "gigantic" differences.

3 years later we are still going to be arguing which one is more powerful.

Not really!
Just look at the spec sheet NOW!
If you only understand a bit of it, you know immediately who's "stronger".

 

[Chobel]

i'm surprised you managed to type this what with how much your hands are trembling.

Really? That comment was not about you. why the personal attack?

Spoiler

I liked that insult though

 

[Ysiadmihi]

It's being mentioned for the same reason the "PC" has been brought into every console thread over the pass 6 months. Needless dick waving by PC elitist. And it's has gotten beyond tiresome.

It shuts down the tiresome, needless dick waving Sony fans have been doing for the past 6 months. That's a good thing, isn't it?

 

[aronmayo2]

It's all about upfront cost. PS3 was actually cheaper than the 360 once you factored in the Play & Charge Kit, Wi-Fi adapter, HD-DVD drive, and LIVE subscription.

Xbox One is cheaper once you factor in a lack of camera or bundled full price game in alot of regions where its launching.

Example: Australia

Base PS4 price in Aus: $550.
PS4 with camera + Fifa 14 = $740
PS4 with camera = $640

Base Xbox One price in Aus (includes Kinect + Fifa 14): $600

Xbox One is cheaper using this type of comparison in some (most? all?) regions.

At launch, you won't see "gigantic" differences.

You'll never see "gigantic" differences because 50% better performance in PCs generally results in not alot more performance visually apart from a slightly higher frame rate - something the general public have no real perception of unless it's really super different (30fps vs 60fps - which won't happen because the PS4 is not 100% more powerful).

 

[Manmademan]

I'll address your last point first.
I did not bring the PC into this discussion, I merely remarked that it is somewhat natural given how graphic focused these threads are.

Other than that I will say that if you have serious usability issues with PCs then you must have trouble functioning in modern society, given how prevalent they are everywhere.

If you were talking about another kind of issue related specifically to gaming, I would say that these are massively overstated by people who don't own a gaming PC.

I do agree that we should try not to derail this thread too much with this topic.

1.) yes, I AM speaking specifically about gaming. usability re: making spreadsheets and posting to facebook isn't really relevant. why bring it up?

2.) I have a gaming laptop. Hate gaming on it because usability is an issue. bought it for Diablo, played it for a couple days, threw the game out and haven't bothered since. I've booted PCSX2 up out of curiosity a few times, but really don't have the patience for that either.

when discussing "usability", console fans typically want a platform where they can just buy whichever game is labeled "ps4" or "xbox one" without having to worry about minimum or recommended requirements. This is a usability issue.

when buying a gaming platform, having to think about the difference about whether a radeon 7700, 7900, Nvidia GTX570 or GTX590 is preferred is ALSO a usability issue.

having to wonder whether a favorite game will support a controller at all is a usability issue.

having to tweak settings or download drivers to get games running acceptably on my specific hardware is a usability issue.

Money isn't even the point. my time is short and I have better things to do with the limited time available to relax while gaming. These things may seem minor to you, but many people don't want to bother. Saying they are massively overstated is false, or no one would buy a console. Why would they? Performance wise PC is always superior after a year or two.

but yeah, derailing is inappropriate.

 

[Zatoichi's Cane]

I've developed launch titles for 3 different gens now. You build to hit the window, not maximize the hardware. That comes later.

If you think

1- there will be no significant advances on either platform in the time after launch
2- hardware gaps won't make even more of a difference throughout the console cycle

Then you are either naive or just girding your e-loins for war.

I'd be interested to know if you think multi-platform developers will actually develop a significantly better game, either in terms of graphics or frame rate for the PS4.

I honestly don't think they'll allow for too much of a difference, am I wrong?

 

[Vashetti]

I think the difference is £80 here in the UK, so as a base cost it is £80 cheaper. However I can't buy a game and the PS4 camera for £80 so for what's in the box it's not quite apples with apples.

If you want perfect 'parity' between the two:

PS4 - 349
Camera - 54.99
Game - 50
PS Plus - 39.99
Total - 493.98


Xbox One - 429
Game - 50
Xbox Live - 39.99
Play and Charge Kit - 19.99
Total - 538.99

 

[BRocknRolla]

I've developed launch titles for 3 different gens now. You build to hit the window, not maximize the hardware. That comes later.

If you think

1- there will be no significant advances on either platform in the time after launch
2- hardware gaps won't make even more of a difference throughout the console cycle

Then you are either naive or just girding your e-loins for war.

I wish people understood this. But people won't and we'll see lots of folks pointing to game comparisons that have very little meaning in those first 6-months to a year.

Frustrating, but any time someone brings this up you always hear people claiming, "You're already moving the goal posts!" I guess there's not a ton of room to look at this stuff rationally, nor will there be for quite some time.

 

[un1que]

50% faster?

I thought the Xbox One was supposed to be infinitely powerful with this cloud powered malarkey?

Can someone explain exactly what this cloud can do and if their statements are even truthful?

 

[IN&OUT]

This x1000
I've posted that several times.
Teams are happy to meet the launch target. They have no time.
Wait for the second wave/2nd gen games, then the 3rd gen games, 4th gen games, etc.
The differences will get bigger and bigger.
At launch, you won't see "gigantic" differences.

I swear every time I read Bishop comment, I read it with the same anger tone in this scene

 

[JHall]

Buying a console just because it will have "prettier" graphics is ridiculous. Just buy the damn console that has the games you want to play and leave it at that.

People are really blowing this out of proportion.

 

[Iacobellis]

Xbox One is cheaper once you factor in a lack of camera or bundled full price game in alot of regions where its launching.

Example: Australia

Base PS4 price in Aus: $550.
PS4 with camera + Fifa 14 = $740
PS4 with camera = $640

Base Xbox One price in Aus (includes Kinect + Fifa 14): $600

Xbox One is cheaper using this type of comparison in some (most? all?) regions.

Okay, but what I am saying is that most consumers look at the upfront price. Why do you think buying a $200 smartphone and paying around $2,000 for the next two years is more common than paying $600 and choosing when and what you owe on the next bill?

 

[maplelord93]

50% faster?

I thought the Xbox One was supposed to be infinitely powerful with this cloud powered malarkey?

Can someone explain exactly what this cloud can do and if their statements are even truthful?

infinite power of sarcasm certainly isn't helping you

 

[LTWheels]

If you want perfect 'parity' between the two:

PS4 - 349
Camera - 54.99
Game - 50
PS Plus - 39.99
Total - 493.98


Xbox One - 429
Game - 50
Xbox Live - 39.99
Play and Charge Kit - 19.99
Total - 538.99

You can also look at it like:

Xbox One + FIFA - 429
Xbox Live - 39.99
Rechargeable/Non-Recharegable Batteries already lying around the house
Total - 468.99

There a way to argue it every other way, depending on what point you want to make.

 

[AOC83]

If you want perfect 'parity' between the two:

PS4 - 349
Camera - 54.99
Game - 50
PS Plus - 39.99
Total - 493.98


Xbox One - 429
Game - 50
Xbox Live - 39.99
Play and Charge Kit - 19.99
Total - 538.99

How much does a hardware upgrade for the Xbone to match the PS4 cost?

 

[dragonelite]

Buying a console just because it will have "prettier" graphics is ridiculous. Just buy the damn console that has the games you want to play and leave it at that.

People are really blowing this out of proportion.

There isn't really much to talk about.
I mean next gen games so far look like current gen only prettier.

GTA 5 looks like an next gen game world in a current gen renderer

 

[googleplex]

Really? I ordered a PS4+PS Eye+additional DS4+Killzone Shadow Fall for 499€ which is XB1's price in France. UK probably has the same kind of bundles.



This bundle:

It seriously pisses me off that this bundle won't come State side.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

 

[Riky]

If you want perfect 'parity' between the two:

PS4 - 349
Camera - 54.99
Game - 50
PS Plus - 39.99
Total - 493.98


Xbox One - 429
Game - 50
Xbox Live - 39.99
Play and Charge Kit - 19.99
Total - 538.99

I get a game with the X1, I also have a stock of rechargeables so wont be buying a play and charge kit.

 

[NullPointer]

Buying a console just because it will have "prettier" graphics is ridiculous.

Its not just a matter of prettiness. If you're on the fence bout both consoles, the one most likely to perform better with nearly all multiplatforms is a nice selling point.

It's been one of the selling points for the 360 this generation, no doubt.

 

[Vizzeh]

Buying a console just because it will have "prettier" graphics is ridiculous. Just buy the damn console that has the games you want to play and leave it at that.

People are really blowing this out of proportion.

Problem with that, 3rd party is on all platforms, Sony has a massive amount of 1st party studios vs MS and some of the exclusives 'ms' buys ends up on the competitors console eventuality. This plays a part in decision making.

As for prettiness.. Its generally a faster product, console v console if it boiled down to it I'd ask myself why buy a ford car if I can buy a BMW for cheaper.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

Im not sure why you guys want penello or major nelson to reply since it will be pr anyways no point.

It's fun to see them scramble in panic to try and put themselves in a better light.