Canis lupus
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and came out a year later than PS2
EDGE: "Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance"
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and came out a year later than PS2
"Balanced" is such a nice word. It is neither precise, nor binding, nor negative, nor obviously false. Euphemisms, the basic tool of good marketing.
Translation: after getting continuously skewered for months for spewing copious amounts of bullshit to defend our console, we'll finally shut our months before we do any more damage to our brand.
How about not painting things in broad strokes, for starters? You've got plenty of folks saying there isn't likely to be much of a difference on launch day. Hell, maybe more in that group than those who believe the difference will be obvious from day one, but I'm really not keeping count.
Don't try to group everyone into your strawman.
People are curious what's gonna be there day one. That doesn't mean they fully expect the power difference to manifest immediately.
Again, avoid the broad strokes.
Ricerocket
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Surprised they don't refute the claims like they always do. (cloud, shape, esram 300GB/s, creation of directX, etc)
YeP! Well, you can't lie forever!
Manmademan
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and ignores that the DC was the weakest of its generation, not the PS2.
I think their statement was PR speak for: "We cannot deny this."
It also sounds like how they responded to various claims earlier this year about all the complaints people had.
malboroking
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A midrange gaming PC is also around 7 to 8 hundred dollars. Yes PCs are more powerful, but this discussion is about consoles.
PCs are a completely different beast being open platform and modular. They really shouldn't be brought up in console discussions. It always derails the discussion.
"One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to castrate the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."
God fucking damnit.
God fucking damnit.
Megadragon15
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Sounds like they are resigned to the facts and is using the Nintendo Wii defense.
SolidSnakex
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They probably took the better option. The fact that they actually started trying to disprove the power gap is the reason why these stories are starting to pop up. It's caused sites to start asking developers about it to figure out which company is telling the truth.
First post here after lurking a very long time.
I'm really split between getting an XBO and a PS4. I may end up getting a PS4 first, then an XBO later. The games for the PS4 are just not doing it for me, and the XBO may be getting the weaker multiplats.
Does anybody here think tha MS will be forced to bring out more first party games? Because that would be awesome. Their strategy of throwing money around for exlusive DLC won't really cut it anymore since the PS4 will have the definitive version most of the time. I know they recently opened up a bunch of studios. That could be the silver lining in this situation.
I'm really split between getting an XBO and a PS4. I may end up getting a PS4 first, then an XBO later. The games for the PS4 are just not doing it for me, and the XBO may be getting the weaker multiplats.
Does anybody here think tha MS will be forced to bring out more first party games? Because that would be awesome. Their strategy of throwing money around for exlusive DLC won't really cut it anymore since the PS4 will have the definitive version most of the time. I know they recently opened up a bunch of studios. That could be the silver lining in this situation.
eddfromtheriver
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I love how MS fanboys try and hide their colours by saying... I'll be getting both consoles!!!
NullPointer
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That about sums it up. Very nice post!
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Im not grouping everyone together. If I specfically said something I meant it for those people. Sorry if you got offended my bad
BRocknRolla
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Yes, absolutely. You'll see all the games, regardless of platform look better over time. But also yes, the argument is that the meat of the power in the PS4 isn't going to be used at launch, so game will have a lot of breathing room, whereas the XB1 will already be struggling to get some of that same performance, and won't have the same additional room. Since no one knew the specs going in, no one was in a position to utilize the hardware appropriately. (Even Killzone: SF was designed with 4gbs of ram in mind as opposed to 8gbs, so even this first party studio game wasn't built with the tech in mind. 3rd parties would have known even less, and development would have been more about just getting the game running sufficiently on the platform.)
Basically very similar to this gen where PS3's memory limitations became more and more troublesome as the gen went along, creating lots of situations where there was a substantial performance disparity between 360 and PS3 in multiplats, while even at the same time Sony's first party devs continued to figure out ways to milk more and more performance from the Cell.
I have zero doubt MS will have strong first party games on their platform as those teams will be focussed on all the system's strengths and weaknesses, and can design around them. (Same things happened on PS3.) But I'm picking up a PS4 because I want the best performing console 3rd party multiplats. (Same reason I picked up a 360 last gen.)
You make light of that, but audio quality in games has SUCKED for years. Hopefully, this gen will bring needed improvements.
Manmademan
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that hasn't worked at all so far. shutting up is probably the best thing they could do.
They should have kept their mouths shut about the power difference from the start and focused on exclusive feature, games, ect. It would have been fine to promote the visuals of their games too since they look great as well.
eddfromtheriver
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Look!!!... a plane!!!
This is the crucial point for me. If MS are behind, they'll have to fight, which means either investing in more first party titles, or buying third party exclusives.
The good outcome would be MS spending on first party titles for the next five years - not giving up after only a few years.
My concern is that they either do the moneyhat thing which I find a bit cheap, or they just choose not to fight and instead they are happy with relatively low market share but a good income stream from Xbox live subs and digital sales
And that's what they should have gone with from the beginning. PR talk exists for a reason. Engaging people and being open usually does not work out best for the company. It's best to just let things play out and then respond only when necessary in an official capacity.
As much as I appreciate Albert and Major Nelson coming here, I really doubt they have changed many minds. Still, the one thing they are good at is providing useful information about their console and I'd like to see more of that.
Not too many other things to fall back on... At least they're not doing the Technical Fellows dance again, in any case.
MS doesn't want to be in nintendo's position which is no port or shitty ports. People don't can't buy a product that exist or that sucks balls compared to other offerings.
This sounds like a much more reasonable version of that story that one dude told in the other thread about PS4 being 90 fps after one month and XBO being 15fps for Call of Duty after four months. Like I said, that original version sounded like a game of telephone was being played and the end result was a story with hints of truth but was exaggerated.
To me this story in the OP actually rings like what the story might have started out as.
Man, the hits keep on coming. Is there any way left to pretend PS4 doesn't have a clear advantage in power? We got all the "secret sauce" theories out of the way, correct?
Today, I spent £600 on buying samosas, kebabs, sausage rolls, pastries, cakes and basically gave them to everyone in the office to eat as a bit of a mini-party.
I imagine Sony is in a similar mood.
This is actually funny!
Yep, just like the PS4.
And this is exactly what MS will do, when both consoles are launching.
Just as Major Nelson said a few weeks ago with his "Looking forward as the truth comes out" comment.
They will point their fingers at RYSE and you will here comments like "Look, look! Look how good (single-player) RYSE is looking! It's maybe the best looking next-gen game. See! No performance differences."
Just wait and see. This is exactly what will happen!
But in the end.... this is not how it works, MS!
This should have been their messaging from the get go. This is the best thing they can say. The XBO is not weak for a console, it's just that the PS4 is much better. Rather than making ambiguous comments, they really should have said all of this right from the start. The gamecube was weaker than the Xbox, and so was the PS2. Both were still pretty fucking awesome.
I must have missed something about that meme, because "Technical Fellow" is a perfectly established term. Other companies are using it as well for distinguished employees that also serve as public figurehead for the company's competence.
This is what I actually wonder about though. I know the PS3 can bit-stream high-resolution audio multi-channel audio? What additional hardware capability would you want?
I think your keyboard is shorting out your return key.
jim-jam bongs
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Even Microsoft seem to be giving up trying that now. It's all about "balanced power", which I think means that the Xbone will have better battery life than the PS4.
SwiftDeath
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Have you been reading this thread?
Has every person arguing the merit of the PS4 over the XB1 been belittled and "put in their place" by the mind-bogglingly revelation that a PC can in fact by some miracle of engineering beat the PS4?
No and you know why?
Because everyone has always said the PS4 is the more powerful CONSOLE, not PC, not gaming platform, the most powerful CONSOLE
That's what the argument is about, what the article is about
How is that not obvious to everyone?
You don't like everyone talking about the PS4's capabilities?
Awesome then leave the thread, it really is that simple
This has nothing to do with PC's. I'm sorry you can't see that
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Hope I dont appear as a fanboy to you guys because im just buying an xbone at launch and a ps4 early next year. I cannot say anything without it being a negative for xbone? Please. Its why has become difficult to post serious without being on one side or the other.
MS is desperate.
almost every console released in history except PS4/X1 have had exotic CPU/GPU combinations. MS is talking like this is a new thing tailored specifically for X1. what a load of BS.
X1 has an APU made by AMD.( AMD stated in public that PS4 APU is the most powerful they have ever created)
DDR3+eSRAM
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if I were MS, I would shut the fuck up and start money hatting every publisher in history to gimp PS4 versions or force parity among multiplat. it won't be long before ND or SSM will show us that X1 is an expensive JOKE of a console.
yet MS continues to spread FUD and treat us as idiots !
cut the crap MS...just stop talking...they said balanced ! what a joke!
I don't see how this applies to the power difference all it tells me is that the PS4 tools were much more optimized and easier to develop for. If COD can run at 60fps on current gen, it can do the same easy on next gen.
Spot on! You could already see "balanced" in some of Albert's posts here. I expect this will become the goto company line from now on:
"You can't compare both consoles as the Xbox One is more than the sum of its parts. We designed it to be balanced on all fronts in order to bring the greatest gaming experiences possible into the homes of our loyal fans as well as newcomers to the xbox family."
Mugatu
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And that's part of their problem. They keep saying specs don't matter and then parade out spec after spec.
Specs might not matter, but they are more indicative then hyperbole and marketing releases.
3rdamention
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"UPDATE: A Microsoft spokesperson has responded to Kotaku's request for comment with the following statement
Ten years ago, you could argue that a consoles power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade. Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, well let the consoles and their games speak for themselves. P
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I guess the "Microsoft Spokesman" missed all the specs, figures and mathemagics that Albert shared on NeoGAF.
Ten years ago, you could argue that a consoles power was summed up in terms of a few of its specs, but Xbox One is designed as a powerful machine to deliver the best blockbuster games today and for the next decade. Xbox One architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey. It was designed with balanced performance in mind, and we think the games we continue to show running on near-final hardware demonstrate that performance. In the end, well let the consoles and their games speak for themselves. P
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I guess the "Microsoft Spokesman" missed all the specs, figures and mathemagics that Albert shared on NeoGAF.
If the CoD story is true at all it was probably because of the crappy toolset that XBO had at that point more than the hardware. They made a big leap in tools after E3, although Sony still seems to be ahead in that regard as well. The differences outlined in this article are almost exactly what I was expecting.
Correct!
And they can yell "XBone architecture is much more complex than what any single figure can convey" all they want.
Again: We have spec sheets! We know the specs.
It's not like we're talking about two boxers and are guessing who's stronger/better.
Iacobellis
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DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS!
Crimson_Gold
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Was Tony Clark there?
It was partially about tools; but it was also definitely about the gap in power. That much was clear when the story was originally told about CoD.
That said, of course CoD is 60fps; it'll be 60fps on Xbox One too. That story was about how long it was taking to get a stable version going at a decent framerate due to the hardware issues, which included things like more complexity, less power and, yes, tools.
Why? You're still operating under the line of thinking that there will be massive disparity in the quality of multiplat games released on both consoles. MS does not need to do anything, developers do. They need to make sure both versions are optimized and meet the targets they set out for each console, nothing less nothing more.
They should have never entered that fight. Even Sony was very, very modest about the PS4's superior spec, giving out almost no statements about how the consoles compare, and those few statements that they did give out were rather veiled. Sure, the enthusiasts on the internet talked about the specs, but all major magazines said almost nothing about it. Many even just said that both consoles are "very similar". Everything Microsoft has done since then has just ignited an unnecessary shitstorm among those who already knew better.