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[Liabe Brave]

Dance games, sure, but Kinect 2 is on another level when it comes to fitness applications....
I don't see any way that they could extract exertion or pulse information from the 3d PlayStation Camera.

Pulse measurement doesn't require Kinect. It's based on skin flushing or micromotion and can be done by any sufficiently detailed camera. Here's an app to do it on an iPhone.

As for exertion, Kinect pretty much has to be calculating that based on the motion of the inferred skeletal rig. Depth sensing with 3D cameras of course isn't as accurate as with IR floodlighting, so it's not as certain the PlayStation Camera could follow suit exactly. But it could calculate something pretty similar. And once you've got a display of "Exertion Level" onscreen, I don't know how differentiating "Super-accurate Exertion Level" is.

 

[Albert Penello]

might be for something different? there's a port of the back of the xbox one labeled "IR out" that's distinct from the kinect 2.0.

maybe albert can clarify.

We support both. In cases where Kinect isn't working based on your setup, we support an external blaster.

 

[Tabular]

I'm surprised its the difference is that little in this example, I would think not using the ESRAM would cause a much bigger discrepancy. But it's an irrelevant example because no one would ever ship a game with that's unoptimized. And if they did it, it would be terrible.

That's with ESRAM for sure. The PS4 having 50% faster Memory fetches clearly indicates the ESRAM is helping as PS4 has 2.6x faster main memory BW.

 

[Albert Penello]

Can't you just have the user say "Record Breaking Bad" and then at the time the show comes on send the IR commands to tune to the channel and send the record button command?

All you have to know is the record button input for the DVR. I'm also assuming Kinect can send IR commands while the Xbox is off.

That's totally the goal. As with many things, there is always the "at launch" caveat. Lots of people at work have DVR's so we want to get to this point for sure.

IR doesn't happen when Xbox is off (not sure the scenario here), but when you say "Xbox On" from low-power mode, it wakes up and sends the IR commands to turn on the equipment.

 

[squidyj]

Question.

Suppose there were a bicycle with one wheel 6" in diameter and one wheel 600" in diameter. The bicycle, let's say, was a little oddly shaped but highly optimized to be pedaled on certain surfaces. This bicycle had adjustable length pedals that were designed to move power from the rider to the GROUND. Let's suppose there was another normal bicycle. Now, you might suppose that the normal bicycle was more equipped to be PEDALED around as compared to the special bicycle with the one very small wheel and the one very large wheel. But let me suppose ON TOP OF THAT that with the pedals and with a special processing system designed to allow that bike to shift gears faster, it could, UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES-- such as the rider having mutant legs or the bicycle company perhaps paying the rider to do a shitty job-- outperform the normal bicycle.

Let us further suppose that there is a banana and a million dollar gold bar in your apartment. And let us suppose further to my original further supposition that there is a raging monkey outside your window SCREAMING about wanting a banana. While it may seem realistic that the million dollar gold bar would in fact be the more valuable item, in this PARTICULAR circumstance in which the raging monkey HAS MADE HIS DEMANDS KNOWN TO YOU that you would in fact rather have the dedicated audio chip and the moneyh...I mean, the banana.

When you consider all of these facts and, again, the fact that the PS4 is infact a blu-ray player with some controllers attached, I do not understand how you could conclude anything other than the fact that the special bicycle and the raging monkey are in fact ONCE AGAIN the choice for consumers.

Incorrect, the gold bar is more valuable as its incredible mass can be used to knock the monkey out of the window of your apartment, this will likely kill the monkey, thus being a more permanent solution to the angry monkey problem.

 

[RoboPlato]

It would be pretty telling if MS close cooperation with EA makes their games more on parity than other third parties.

But we should'nt jump to conclusions, lets wait and see.

DICE makes the engine powering nearly all of the next gen games from EA and they don't seem to be big fans of XBO while being fairly excited for PS4. They even showed the PS4 version of BF4 at Gamescom despite having a marketing deal with Microsoft for the game. Combine that with the fact that we have seen zero multiplatform games running on XBO and I think that's pretty telling of what's going on behind the scenes. Even Titanfall and CoD: Ghosts haven't been shown on XBO.

 

[Tabular]

1600x900 at 20 FPS is a gigantic difference man. You'd have to be blind not to notice this. It doesn't get much worse than that or if it does than fuck all Xbone is screwed with the pretty.

Can you notice the difference between 1080p and 900p? The following is a zoomed in example.

 

[Nick]

Jesus fuck, people. Games are going to look good no matter what. Calm the hell down.

 

[joeblow]

And the point of showing a Commodore 64 screen shot at 900P and 1080P is.......?

 

[TheD]

Can you notice the difference between 1080p and 900p? The following is a zoomed in example.

The difference is clear to see.

 

[malboroking]

Can you notice the difference between 1080p and 900p? The following is a zoomed in example.

Ummmm.... yes, yes I can.

 

[Boss Man]

I do think people are underselling what Kinect could do. In terms of 'core' games it certainly has left a bad taste though. I think VR is where it's going to be at in five years, and if you throw in Kinect/PS Eye with that then you may be onto something big. If Kinect is vastly superior, maybe that hardware 'bundle' suddenly seems better in this context.

Right now though, there's really nothing beyond PR that they can say about the disadvantage. For the types of games that the core audience is concerned with, Kinect is not worth a weaker and more expensive console. The scary thing for MS right now is that the higher price means it may also not be worth it for the people who would be interested in Kinect.

 

[jpd1408]

Ps4 day 1

 

[artist]

Jesus fuck, people. Games are going to look good no matter what. Calm the hell down.

Again, that isnt the topic of this thread ..

 

[Unknown One]

Jesus fuck, people. Games are going to look good no matter what. Calm the hell down.

Standards change.

 

[Liabe Brave]

Can you notice the difference between 1080p and 900p? The following is a zoomed in example.

As noted, it is in fact very easy to see the difference there. And it would be even easier if those gigantic pieces of text weren't in the way breaking up the image, and if it wasn't dithered all to hell.

 

[RoboPlato]

Can you notice the difference between 1080p and 900p? The following is a zoomed in example.

This comparison gif is painful to look at.

 

[Truespeed]

Even with all the dumb crap MS has done, I don't see them paying off devs to sabotage PS4 games. If word ever got out it would shred any little bit of consumer empathy they have left.

I expect them to play up three things: 60fps (they did this with nearly all their games at E3, including third party games...heck, even announcing Halo, with zero other information except that it will be 60fps), exclusive or timed DLC content, and the "Xbox experience."

Interesting how quickly they backed off the cloud power stuff.

edit: there was only one situation I'm aware of where MS actually (supposedly?) helped make a platform difference, and that was the 30fps/60fps versions of Madden back in 08 I believe. They touted the 360 version of Madden as the only game with twice the fluidity/framerate. That never happened again.

I wouldn't put it past them for at least considering it and possibly incentivising it. The more frames behind the higher the payout. Dirty dealing is their modus operandi. It's in their DNA. Don't they still have a policy that says they can turn down games if they launch on the PSN first? And here's my favorite:

Microsoft's third party guidelines dictate that all games released on the Xbox 360 must launch "at least simultaneously" with other systems and must have "at least" the same features and content. It reserves the right to block release if those guidelines aren't met.

 

[RoboPlato]

I wouldn't put it past them for at least considering it and possibly incentivising it. The more frames behind the higher the payout. Dirty dealing is their modus operandi. It's in their DNA. Don't they still have a policy that says they can turn down games if they launch on the PSN first? And here's my favorite:

Sony does the same with PSN titles, although they haven't been enforcing it as of late.

 

[Y2Kev]

Can you notice the difference between 1080p and 900p? The following is a zoomed in example.

this is hugely different. lol

 

[kitch9]

Can you notice the difference between 1080p and 900p? The following is a zoomed in example.

If you are struggling to see it, the 900p one is the one that looks like complete dogshit on a 1080p screen.

PS3 was renowned for its smeary vaseline filter compared to 360 equivalent games. Xbox owners should get ready for the same shite.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

this is hugely different. lol

Now how many people play games with a magnifying glass or pair of binoculars? Or do people really think Xbox One games will look like a PS1 game, because that's what that zoomed in image looks like.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Incorrect, the gold bar is more valuable as its incredible mass can be used to knock the monkey out of the window of your apartment, this will likely kill the monkey, thus being a more permanent solution to the angry monkey problem.

I do believe that is animal cruelty and murder.

 

[daman824]

Now how many people play games with a magnifying glass or pair of binoculars? Or do people really think Xbox One games will look like a PS1 game, because that's what that zoomed in image looks like.

Agreed, even if someone is literally pressing their face against the screen while playing, it's not going to be that noticeable. Can some people pick it out? Yeah, but it's not going to be night and day like that image.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

I do believe that is animal cruelty and murder.

More like self-defense. An unruly monkey will rip your face and genitals clean off. No jury in the world would convict you of that.

Also, I think the monkey is in 720p. Nobody should except a monkey in 720p in 2013, except maybe Nintendo fans.

 

[Tabular]

Is the ongoing Xbone trainwreck starting to feel a bit like this to anyone else

Has a console generation ever felt so over before it started? I thought the PS2 vs. Dreamcast was bad at the time but this is a whole new level.

How is it an 'ongoing' trainwreck? What did they do this time? What has changed? Its simply that people keep bringing this up over and over and over as if its even a dispute.

Actually you see a lot of 'dispute' from Xbox fans that the difference will be 'unnoticeable' to the human eye. The point of this thread is to observe what the difference really is according to Dev's. We have been severely lacking in direct comparisons so this news from Dev's is actually a big deal.

 

[Applecot]

Can you notice the difference between 1080p and 900p? The following is a zoomed in example.

Is this a trick question? Is the 1080p one in fact the one that says 900?

 

[Tabular]

Is this a trick question? Is the 1080p one in fact the one that says 900?

Serious? The 1080p is 216 pixels wide, the 900p is 180 pixels wide; upscaled. No AA for either.

 

[Callibretto]

Even with all the dumb crap MS has done, I don't see them paying off devs to sabotage PS4 games. If word ever got out it would shred any little bit of consumer empathy they have left.

I expect them to play up three things: 60fps (they did this with nearly all their games at E3, including third party games...heck, even announcing Halo, with zero other information except that it will be 60fps), exclusive or timed DLC content, and the "Xbox experience."

Interesting how quickly they backed off the cloud power stuff.

edit: there was only one situation I'm aware of where MS actually (supposedly?) helped make a platform difference, and that was the 30fps/60fps versions of Madden back in 08 I believe. They touted the 360 version of Madden as the only game with twice the fluidity/framerate. That never happened again.

One of the few thing that come out of that ms e3 conf is making 60fps to be a buzzword, all of a sudden people want 60fps, start asking it for games like killzone and driveclub. In previous gen, 60 fps is not a marketable bulletpoint, but now it totally is, making it 60fps is just like checking that bullet point, we now get news that deepdown will be 60 fps, same with mgs5 next gen etc.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

I do believe that is animal cruelty and murder.

Merely relieving the monkey of the torment from the anger it suffers, it's the only humane thing to do.

 

[demolitio]

this is hugely different. lol

Yea, if that was a genuine attempt at convincing people 900p isn't a huge difference, someone else should examine the comparison before posting to make sure it's not painfully obvious and counter-productive to the point trying to be made.

I'm pretty sure most people could tell the difference there even with it being a horrible comparison.

 

[dmg04]

I'm getting burnt out on my MS defense force, so I'll just leave it at this;

Tons of buds sticking with the Xbone
Online Infrastructure that I have faith and experience with
Better than 360 in many ways
Actually like the Kinect 2.0 tech (Big kudos to the sign language translating)
Gears and Halo got me as a kid. Maybe MS will come out with something next gen to keep my attention. None of the Sony games really caught my eye after watching the conferences.
Open ears to gamers with policy changes, rather than building off of the failed policies of others acting like saints. Still hoping for the Digital sharing and marketplace.

With that said, Pixels are Pixels. 64 players in BF4 has me hyped after finally playing some PC matches over the past months.

 

[Tabular]

Yea, if that was a genuine attempt at convincing people 900p isn't a huge difference, someone else should examine the comparison before posting to make sure it's not painfully obvious and counter-productive to the point trying to be made.

I'm pretty sure most people could tell the difference there even with it being a horrible comparison.

I posted it as an example, and I personally could tell the difference very easily. Not sure why people would assume I'm trying to downplay them actually.

 

[Nightengale]

I'm getting burnt out on my MS defense force, so I'll just leave it at this;

With that said, Pixels are Pixels. 64 players in BF4 has me hyped after finally playing some PC matches over the past months.

All your points are solid, and perfectly reasonable reasons to be where you are.

Hell, the first reason is more than sufficient. Why play on a different console if your important buddies aren't there?

That being said, your reasons are not the fud, stupidity and blatant ignorance some others are spreading.

 

[GorillaJu]

The 50% speed advantage is going to be pretty huge for certain genres, namely racing games.

 

[ConteZero76]

The 50% speed advantage is going to be pretty huge for certain genres, namely racing games.

It WAS 50% (approx) before GPU overclock, now it should be a bit less. Still a lot through.

 

[demolitio]

I posted it as an example, and I personally could tell the difference very easily. Not sure why people would assume I'm trying to downplay them actually.

Sorry. Just the way the question was asked seemed like you were trying to prove it's not that easy to tell. These days, there are a lot of people that will defend everything so it's hard to tell what side a question is on and if someone is being sarcastic or not if you know what I mean.

 

[Steve McQueen]

I'm pretty damn sure that PS4 is the more powerful machine,can't really argue with that. I'm gonna a buy both, because I want the best of both worlds. To me...the're enough exclusives that make it worthwile, not matter what the differences in specs.

 

[GorillaJu]

It WAS 50% (approx) before GPU overclock, now it should be a bit less. Still a lot through.

I guess the joke was worse than I ever anticipated.

;_;

 

[stonesak]

I'm disappointed GAF. Almost 3000 posts and no one posted this?

For shame.

 

[eival]

have they even confirmed if PS4 will allow full game installs?

all that extra speed will be negligible if its having to be used to stream off the disc

 

[Cesar]

Why is everyone forgetting the cloud when comparing the consoles? MS doesn't have 300.000 servers for nothing.

 

[mrklaw]

I'm getting burnt out on my MS defense force, so I'll just leave it at this;

Tons of buds sticking with the Xbone
Online Infrastructure that I have faith and experience with
Better than 360 in many ways
Actually like the Kinect 2.0 tech (Big kudos to the sign language translating)
Gears and Halo got me as a kid. Maybe MS will come out with something next gen to keep my attention. None of the Sony games really caught my eye after watching the conferences.
Open ears to gamers with policy changes, rather than building off of the failed policies of others acting like saints. Still hoping for the Digital sharing and marketplace.

With that said, Pixels are Pixels. 64 players in BF4 has me hyped after finally playing some PC matches over the past months.

you should email that list to Albert and Major Nelson. A much better list of reasons to buy xbox one than official MS PR are using at the moment.

 

[artist]

Apparently lowering the resolution may also not get parirty

 

[Finalizer]

have they even confirmed if PS4 will allow full game installs?

all that extra speed will be negligible if its having to be used to stream off the disc

AFAIK both systems require installations. Dem blu-rays is 2slo.

 

[bishoptl]

Why is everyone forgetting the cloud when comparing the consoles? MS doesn't have 300.000 servers for nothing.

Notsureifserious.gif

 

[Ieu]

Apparently lowering the resolution may also not get parirty

The math geek in me died a little at a line graph being used for a discreet series of data.

 

[dragonelite]

Why is everyone forgetting the cloud when comparing the consoles? MS doesn't have 300.000 servers for nothing.

Will probably be used for first party games.
Too much of an hassle for third party devs to implement into the rendering pipeline.
They may be used as dedicated server which is also a big plus point.

The math geek in me died a little at a line graph being used for a discreet series of data.

Lol a bar graph per game would have been the superior choice.
Hell the dots aren't even aligned to the games.

 

[adixon]

The math geek in me died a little at a line graph being used for a discreet series of data.

was experiencing same pain.

 

[not_so_special]

Why is everyone forgetting the cloud when comparing the consoles? MS doesn't have 300.000 servers for nothing.

because is pure BS